What do you think about this 205 shaft?

[doonjumper]

I just received this shaft so I can convert my 205 from a slip to a fixed yoke. Is this typical wear? I'm not familiar with gear wear in transfer cases so I thought I would ask before I install. Thanks

 

[dyeager535]

Are the splines worn all the way across like that, or only along that side?

Just a layman, but looks to me like that shaft was riding on some bad bearings or something, and was shifting under load.

 

[doonjumper]

Yeah the wear is all the way accross all 3 sets of teeth. Will this cause any problems for me?

 

[doonjumper]

bump

 

[tarussell]

It's normal wear for something that has been beat on and not shifted properly . I would not use that shaft. They are way to common ( easy to get ) to use a part in that condition.
Sorry for the bad news but that ain't what you want to put in your case .

Tom

 

[doonjumper]

It's normal wear for something that has been beat on and not shifted properly . I would not use that shaft. They are way to common ( easy to get ) to use a part in that condition.
Sorry for the bad news but that ain't what you want to put in your case .

Tom

That sucks I bought it from a CK5 member too.

 

[Randy92782]

i can't say what they look like new but mine didn't look too far from that and i reused mine. maybe i shouldn't have??

anyways who did you buy it from if i might ask. never heard of anyone gettin bad parts from here

 

[doonjumper]

i can't say what they look like new but mine didn't look too far from that and i reused mine. maybe i shouldn't have??

anyways who did you buy it from if i might ask. never heard of anyone getting bad parts from here

At this point I don't think it would be fair to say who I bought it from. I wanna get more ppls opinion as to whether it is usable as is first.

I just cracked open the 205 inspection plate and after getting a general feel for how it operates I believe that the shaft is just fine. I dont know the nomenclature of the unit but those set of teeth are just used for the shifting aspect of the transfer case by the looks of it.

 

[MEK5]

Any used 205 output will show signs of wear in the drive teeth,I would not worry about it.Just make sure your shift collar is in decent shape,usually one side of the collar is in better shape than the other-better side aft.

 

[JDNobodi]

Out of curiosity, is your replacement shaft splined for the speedometer gear? If not, you should've gotten the speedometer gear and spacer that goes to that shaft.

 

[Mudstud]

I don't think he needs that particular speedo gear for that shaft. The one in his case should work fine. Are you refering to the variations across models as defined on this site?

http://quad4x4.com/New%20Process%20NP205%20Transfer%20Case.htm

Wish I could see the pics. Call me tightwad.

 

[JDNobodi]

I only see the late model splined shaft and speedo gears on Quad 4x4's site.

He won't be able to control his rear output endplay without the right parts.

Dunejumper's picture only show one side of the shaft, so I can't tell if he got the early or late model shaft.

 

[Mudstud]

I didn't know there were internal changes between early and late model 205s. I know the cases are somewhat different looking but thats about it. So you are saying each early or late model uses it's own speedo gear? I do remember there being a spacer in there that can be left out if your speedo gear is plastic. It is needed if it is metal- I've never seen a metal one. I have a breakdown diagram of a 205 and it shows a spacer that I didn't have. I called Steve at ORD and he told me about it not being needed unless I had a metal speedo gear. I assume this spacer is what you may be refering to when you mentioned endplay? My 205 does rattle some going down the road- now you have me wondering if I need that spacer. I have a slight bit of end play on my rear output.

 

[1-tonmudder]

It is/was my shaft and he go it from me.Give me a few days,and youll have another one.Not sure what happened other than I put the wrong shaft in the box.

Neither here nor there,I messed up and Ill fix it.The early stlye 205's did not have splines that the speedo gear rode on.The gear was metal and was held in place with a thrust washer under the rear out-put bearing.

You will not need the washer with this shaft.

 

[JDNobodi]

I wouldn’t worry about it if you got the later model shaft. The shafts and speedometer gears shouldn’t be interchanged between the two.
I went outside and played with the stuff I had and took some pictures. On the early model shaft, I took out the spacer and assembled the shaft, bearing, and yoke and was able to fit a .023" feeler gage between the yoke and bearing. That is .023" of end-play.
I won’t have time to edit the photos and post them before work, so you’re going to have to wait a day.

 

[1-tonmudder]

I have another shaft headed your way in the mornng.Sorry for the mix-up.

Here is a pic of the metal speedo gear.

 

[doonjumper]

I have another shaft headed your way in the mornng.Sorry for the mix-up.

Here is a pic of the metal speedo gear.

Just got off the phone with Steve and we settled the matter. I decided that the shaft he sent would be just fine. When I saw the shaft the first time I didn't realize how the 205 worked and all I saw were worn teeth. Then I tore into the case and got a little self ademucation and realized it would be fine. It meshes well and has virtually no play in the hub. Steve is a stand up dude who offered to make things right by me and I appreciate that. When I ever need a part in the future I will definatley seek him out first.

 

[JDNobodi]

Even though you have your matter settled; I’m going to post some pictures.

Here is a side by side comparison of a late model slip yoke output shaft (right) and an early model fix yoke shaft (left) for an NP205.​

Here is an early model NP205 fix yoke with the bearing, speedometer gear and spacer assembled without the output housing.​

Here is a late model NP205 slip yoke with the bearing and speedometer gear assembled without the output housing.​

The backside of the late model output-shaft with the bearing but without the speedometer gear.
Note the inner bearing race is against the splines.​

The early model output shaft with spacer and speedometer gear. Note how the gear overlaps the bearing journal.​

The early model steel speedometer gear and spacer and the late model red plastic speedometer gear. The plastic gear works with all late model output shafts, fix and slip yoke.​

This is what happens when you leave the spacer out. The bearing journal is wider than the bearing race. The extra width is taken up by the medal speedometer gear and spacer combo. The yoke bottoms on the splines and won’t touch the bearing race.​

Edit-- I've changed and uploaded some photos in my gallery. I didn't change the ULR for the changed photos for this thread, but on my computer, the new photos showed up. There should be seven photos.

 

[Mudstud]

Cool- thanks for all the pics. My 205 was slip yoke out of an 80 K5. IIRC it has a white speedo gear.

 

[JDNobodi]

I'm glad to be of help.
BTW, you suppose to assemble everything in the output housing. I put everything together without the output housing in the photos so you guys can see the order how everything goes together.

Edit, and here is a link from a fellow CK5er, Leadfoot. He has a comparison of late model fix and slip yoke shafts. The late model shaft is probably the easiest way to go.
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1049319187039694004SkyhDx