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Where to Wheel!!!!!

I share the same view with Bubba, Grim and Nashu. I wish more people WOULD do what you did. The best counter we have to stop morons ruining things for everyone else is peer pressure. If they are a member here and like being "part of CK5", then getting flack from members just might make them wake up. Same for other groups.

I’m just glad it wasn’t one of our guys doing the damage. I wish more people would go to the trouble of taking pictures and passing on information like this to anyone who might be involved and care about it. Though more accuracy would have been better, I'm sure it was not intentional misrepresentation.
 
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I just don't think it does any good to come into a website like this and complain about it. I see his point, and i don't think its right for anybody to go on closed trails. But, its a waste of time to complain in here about it. I would notify the proper authorities for sure, but that is the extent of what i would do. Thats just my opinion.

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You just don't get it.....The whole point of this is that it ISNT"T a waste of time to come here.

Here it is slowly........
Wheeling on closed trails = BAD
Seeing someone wheeling on closed trails and NOT SPEAKING UP = BAD
Seeing someone wheeling on closed trails and SPEAKING UP = GOOD

Understand, in this case it was not one of us. But it did bring up the topic. It is a topic that we should all be talking over daily. It seems to me that some people want to do, but do not want the Responsibility of doing.

I know I keep using that word, Responsibility and yes I know it is a big word....But it is something we all have but do not want to use. If we don't all stand up know, we will have nothing to stand for soon.
 
FordEater, haven't you got the message yet? It is NOT a waste of time. This stuff comes up rather frequently on PBB, and sometimes here as well. Peer pressure is going to do a lot more to correct this type of thing than enforcement. It does make a difference, but if nobody knows what happened, most of the time, nothing is ever done, and they keep on doing what they do. Enforcement has too many shackles on them to do anything significant if they are not there to see it happen. Sure, there are exceptions, but most of the time they are powerless.
 
NO, i do get it. There are always gonna be those dumb asses though who like to break the rules, and who are gonna do illegal things, but its pretty damn hard to stop everyone of them from doing those things. I guess I just would have handled it differently, and i have already sent Ben a pm apologizing for the things i said to him.
 
Guys I apologize for ranting, but I feel we have come to a point that it has to be done. How many of us visit the land use forum. Hell /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif, do we even have a land use forum anymore. That is the point!!! I watched a threads over at Pirate and at CowtownJeeps that was talking about tha trashing that happened over at Katemcy last weekend. all it was was finger pointing, I didn't do f-off you did it!! No I did't do it, you f-off, you did it.

I say whoe cares who did lets learn and lets all start to stand up and protect our places.

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for now,
Nashu
 
People don't seem to understand that trails get closed for a reason--often in an attempt to help save the environment.

I know that I don't always want to have to drive 3 hours to hit badlands when there's plenty of land here.
 
OK , I checked, /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gifthere is still a Land Use Forum that is being used.
How pathetic, there are only 1006 posts. 1006!!!
There are almost 25k in this one alone. We are all doing a bad job here, myself included. Tell ya what I am gonna do, I am gonna make the effort to read and respond to the issues there. I ask that you all do the same. Eveytime you log on just check it out. If you have time to be here and voting , then we should have time to read it. I am even going to go a step further and start a new thread.
 
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If it was somebody here that did this they should be called to the table. At least us letting them know what kind of a idiot we think they are is better then what is going to happen....NOTHING

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Couldn't agree with you more. I really don't think he is a member here though. When I first met him that was the first thing I asked him and he said no. I was looking through my flash card on my camera because I took a couple of pics of my wife driving and I thought the guy on the hill might have been in the background, he wasn't in it though. I did have my camera in my hand when I walked up with Jeepguy but I didn't think to take a picture then.

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Even with him not being a member he may be a member somewhere else and his buddies may be too. SO us posting it here and then reposting it at PBB, SouthernJeep.org (yes I am a Southern Jeep Board Member...good folks and that club and my club have joined to do some good things), 67-72 chevy trucks, TOR, and then my buddies posting on the Cruiser forum...This idiot will be found and shamed by people who know him. Now this guy has a lesson in shame in how his stupidity is not going to be tollerated by the comunity. Maybe he will think twice now.
 
I'd like to apologize to everybody. I didn't mean to piss everybody off. I guess i didn't realize it was that big of a deal. I'm not one of those idiots who goes on illegal trails, nor have i dealt with anybody who is. Each of yours posts made me realize how big of a deal it is.

Doug
 
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Even with him not being a member he may be a member somewhere else and his buddies may be too. SO us posting it here and then reposting it at PBB, SouthernJeep.org (yes I am a Southern Jeep Board Member...good folks and that club and my club have joined to do some good things), 67-72 chevy trucks, TOR, and then my buddies posting on the Cruiser forum...This idiot will be found and shamed by people who know him. Now this guy has a lesson in shame in how his stupidity is not going to be tollerated by the comunity. Maybe he will think twice now.

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True. Colorado Springs is a relatively small area and his rig would stand out.
 
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I reported him but dont have a pic so I doubt anything will become of it.

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Then you said this:
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I am just passing on what I know to help all of us wheelers take care of our own so the athorities dont have to close more of our muched needed trails. I know we cant stop everyone but I figure if we can pass on info that we have we can work together to stop some of it. If that offends any one here I am sorry.

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Sounds rather contradictory to me. First you said you reported him then you said something about policing our own so the authorities don't have to be contacted.


You handled this incident extremely poorly. The first thing you do is tell someone what they did was wrong. Face to face. You explain to them it was wrong. Tell them the ramifications of their actions. Most people will understand this and will think twice next time. If the person decides to say, "but everyone else does it, why does it matter" or something of the nature that's when you report them. Reporting someone otherwise does no good. The first thing it does is alienate the offender and make them care even LESS. Next, it puts the fact that this is happening on the books. When things get on the books environmental groups really love it. Little is done to the offender the first time. It isn't until a bunch of incidents stack up against them that something might be done. So, if someone is a proven asshat, then report them. Otherwise keep the popo out of the loop.

Fellow offroader pressure is far more efficient and effective. It has a daisy-chain effect that propagates throughout. When someone gets a call out of the blue from the police because they were toying around on a closed road the first thing they think is some wretched environmentalist got a bug up their butt. That just causes more hate, less respect, and more chances of the guy doing the same crap again.

Ostracizing someone the first time they do something isn't the way to go about it either. If they've got a track record of doing it then fine. Otherwise you're just making the sport as unfriendly as any other. Just remember to tell someone why they shouldn't be doing it. Just telling them it is wrong is retarded.



On another note, I find it entertaining that you came here assuming the worst. Groups meet up on the trail all the time. In fact, I bet it happens more often than not. I know when I go out in the woods I always meet up with somebody because either they're going slower than me, faster than me, or they're looking for someone to recover them. Sometimes, as a group, you do things you wouldn't normally do. It's a side-effect of groupthink. The larger the group, the dumber the group can often be seen as true.

I can tell by your choice of words that you find the non-Jeep guys offensive. But that isn't a real issue. It may be the reason why you actually put forth the effort to come here in this case though. Perhaps that's why you came here to tattle. I don't know. I don't have beef with tattle tales unless they're whiners. With a little bit of luck this entire thread will tell people how to better handle such situations and how it is imperative that we police ourselves. Policing ourselves doesn't mean be Johnny Dogooder either, that'll get you labeled as a pest and you won't ever have any respect and won't be taken seriously.
 
Cool! Glad to see you man-up and apologize.

Apology accepted. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
Doug, I did not mean to unload on you, and I truly do appreciate you apologizing. It may just be the timing, but we must all stand up.

Cyber, I don't agree with all you said, but , truth be told I don't need to, in the end the meaning was there. I don't think the Jeepguy was looking to bash or looking down at us and I don't get how you can read that into a post when their is no vocal inflection able to be made.
I agree with ask them to stop and if they do, then good. However if they don't let the authorities handle it. that mey be the cops or it could be the land owners that we pay to wheel. I do not feel that people are going to ostrisize(SP??) us for taking care of our own. I do feel that if we take a keep it in the family aproach we will get burned, after all it hasn't workes so far....
 
absoultley!!!!! that was tottally un called for If i saw some jeeps with a culb sticker dooing some stupid stuff aroud here i would get on there board and tell them to clean up their act too!!!! We dont need dumb ass people out there to ruin wheeling for us and our kids
 
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Four or five CK5 members coming over and beating my ass for being a jackass would make me stop and think

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Cyber, I don't agree with all you said, but , truth be told I don't need to, in the end the meaning was there. I don't think the Jeepguy was looking to bash or looking down at us and I don't get how you can read that into a post when their is no vocal inflection able to be made.
I agree with ask them to stop and if they do, then good. However if they don't let the authorities handle it. that mey be the cops or it could be the land owners that we pay to wheel. I do not feel that people are going to ostrisize(SP??) us for taking care of our own. I do feel that if we take a keep it in the family aproach we will get burned, after all it hasn't workes so far....

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Text is made of words, words are what we use to communicate. Just like facial expression and body language the words we choose to use has meaning of its own. We usually rely on the eyes as the main way of whether a person is being honest with us. I just realized, I've had WAY too many communication classes. /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif

Anyway, the words he chose to use say just as much as what he is saying if you know what I mean. Especially since it is pretty clear that what he has written was a little bit thought out instead of on the fly with anger.
"I am just wanting to get the opinion of club members in here about staying on open roads and not running closed ones? I ask because this weekend in Colorado My buddy and I whitnessed a group of Fullsize rigs attempting an old hill climb that was closed. I mean I watched them drive over the damn sign saying it was closed. Is this something you all agree with?? Oh buy the way the only reason I came to this sight is 2 of the trucks had stickers from this sight. So much for being responsible huh?? "

He assumes we're a club. He then assumes that one person's view is the same as another's. He opens communication by putting us on the defensive. He immediately associates us with irresponsible people. He need not use the word "fullsize" let alone capitalized.

"Okay please let me explain something. I came here to let you know that some people are choosing to make stupid choices in the K5 Big truck community."

What is this statement but to emphasize the fullsize community is his concern? Land use is a concern everywhere, not just here. He tries to save face by trying to explain what his intentions were.

ktedesco proves that this guy didn't even have his information right.

Later on jeepguy tries to save face again by calling attention to a Tacoma and a S10 doing some stupid crap as well. Then he tries to save face yet again by saying Jeep guys aren't perfect angels.

Then he gets in an argument with a member here and starts pointing fingers and other crap. He plays the "I never mentioned rigs" card which he did... in his very first post. He also admits he has an ax to grind because one of his friends got a ticket for being on a legitimate open trail and that these people "got away" with being on a closed one. Instead of pissing and moaning about something as irrelevant as his friend getting a ticket maybe he should've told his friend to go fight the ticket.

Anyway, NONE of that matters compared to the real problem. Hopefully the thread will make people think before doing something like that. And hopefully people that are around will police this matter themselves in a suitable way.

When I said ostracize I meant ostracizing the first-time offender.

I think the self-policing has worked decently and it can work better if people take the initiative. The problem is that there are so many of us now. With great numbers comes more people from the parts of society we'd rather not have participate. It's the same percentage but there are more people as a whole. And as we know it doesn't take many to make us look bad.
 
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OK , I checked, /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gifthere is still a Land Use Forum that is being used.
How pathetic, there are only 1006 posts. 1006!!!
There are almost 25k in this one alone. We are all doing a bad job here, myself included. Tell ya what I am gonna do, I am gonna make the effort to read and respond to the issues there. I ask that you all do the same. Eveytime you log on just check it out. If you have time to be here and voting , then we should have time to read it. I am even going to go a step further and start a new thread.

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Something that many may not be aware of, the land use forum here has always been full access to everyone even non-Members. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
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I just realized, I've had WAY too many communication classes.

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Agreed. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Text is made of words, words are what we use to communicate. Just like facial expression
Yada yada ......

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I understood what you meant and you make a good arguement.(I shortened your quote because it is huge, not of disrespect for what you said)
However, I think that a whole lot of Fullsize drivers automatically assume that when a jeeper is talking that they are talking down to us. Fact of the matter is that you just about pick apart any comment thet is in print and make assumptions of what was being said....Hence thet saying, reading to much into it.
I am at a point in my life where I am looking to try to get the best out of myself and those around me. I do that by not assuming that people are bad, or out to get me but that people are good and looking to help. Unless proven otherwise I will take a man at his word and not presume to know what he really means. I think he came here to help us police our own. I think if he came here to flame he had plenty of opportunity to do so. This world is so full of mistrust, I am brining a little girl into it now so I figure I better do what I can to help others, trust others, and make this place better so I am going to take folks at their word. Judge but action , not by name.

I whole-heartedly agree with you and I to hope that this post will bring some light to the matter. I enjoy a good arguement when it is done well.

NASH
 
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