It's um...interesting. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif When I plow my driveway - which is two big hills, in an oak woods, in a u-shape - I end up doing a lot of backing up. With a suburban and near 100% tint, it's hopeless to look out the back windows. (Especially at night) Needless to say, my backing procedure consists of side mirrors and hoping I don't smack into a tree. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Done alright so far. Definitely agree that a pickup would be much nicer to plow with - unobstructed sight out back /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif