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why all the jeep hate?

man this thread filled up fast! heres what i think i agree with the "its not what you buy its what you build" guy after all noone of use wants to put 36's or whatever on either 10 bolts or amc 20s and of course there are just about as many stock blazer with dana 60s as there are stock jeeps with dana 60s(j30)and considering the wieght difference of what they are attached too i think they are about the same. ive replaced 10 bolt after 10 bolt and 700r4 after 700r4. of course ive never had a auto in a tranny and i dont even have a tranny in my willys(yet) so i cant reelly comparr that. id have to say if you brand loyal your going to miss out on alot. after all those companies dont give a pooh about you. as for the brand new jeep most jeepers dont like the majority of thier owners either since they dont wave. either way i like all my truck. ok well the bronco is a turd but i inherited it and noone will buy it from me since its in such bad shape. i can though say that teh jeep takes the least maintanance but im sure part of that is just from its pure simplicity. i wouldnt mind having a f250 but im to po' for that. man im tired im going to bed. i just took my friends girl out....heheheeh

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Oh yeah... I was gonna ask this but what the heck is it w/ 33's and Jeeps. Every one of them seems to have 33's and they are skinny 10.50 33's... yuck! There are a couple of 35" tire jeeps here that always give me the thumbs up and vice versa... I saw a sweet 2001 at the dealer a buddy of mine works at... thought it would look awsome w/ some 36x14.50R15's or 16's on it
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. Cherokees plain out suck! Junk except for the inline six... those are really tough motors, but most of the extras and trannys are junk. I wouldn't mind a Jeep... but I think I'd like my Blazer better... at least around here it is like the yuppies drive jeeps and explorers, Rams, etc. while the more blue collar guys drive Chevy pickups, superdutys, and Blazers...

-Mikey
1987 Chevy K5 Blazer- 350 TBI
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maybe you should get your sister to teach you how to drive if you got your jeep stuck on a 7in high berm. locker w/ stock tires? goooood idea!!!

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&lt;shrug&gt; not my jeep, so I wasn;t driving... like I said it was my fathers jeep till my sister who I should elegedly learn to drive from totaled it on a RAV4 3 weeks ago.... if thats driving, I truly do NOT want to learn how... I;ll stick with not hitting things.

as for the atlantic 442, its powered by a GM 3 liter industrial engine, coupled to a hydraulic pump, with 2 hydraulic motors in the fornt wheels.

why do I hate phords? past experiences with them. I used to dirve them, and fix them. I hate them because of htis. I feel dirty when I think about the contortion acts we had to go through to change the spark plugs on our aerostar. am I unfairly biased? yes. do I care? see the first ammendment.

-Rich

El Presedente, ISOHYGIMP
 
i live in the pacific NW(wa ) and i can tell you , i like jeeps. they have nice small bodies that fit well between trees. other than that, im not too impressed with their stock equipment. i do plan on building one one day.
 
It's usually in freindly rivalry. But I have noticed the most (not all) heep owners think they have the best thing out there and turn their noses up at anything else. I on the other hand are impressed with anything that is impressive.....even if it's a furd! I've known some cool people with bad ars jeeps and furds and chevys. It's the posers that get to me. And the really annoying posers are the ones who think they are bad a$$ and haven't even seen dirt! I don't care what you drive. I do care whether or not you turn your nose up to me because I don't drive what you drive. I give all makes and models a chance. I just seems most of the heep owners don't do the same. But I'll still give each and every one a chance.



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I've owned a lifted CJ7 , lifted Nissan 4x4 pickup, Lifted 94 Bronco, Lifted F350 and now a 71 K5. They all have good and bad. The CJ7 is a blast off-road and gets into tight spaces. The CJ7 bucks all over the road and is terrible for family. The Nissan is smooth on the road but is the weakest thing out there. We bent suspension parts on even mild terrain. The Fords are tight with no rattling, and the Ford Powerstroke Diesel kicks butt. The GM though, is the cheapest and by far easiest to build up and I love GM for keeping things simple. Carry on. JT
 
Ok, on the trail I am just happy to see a 4x4 no matter what it is, even if it was an Acura MDX. But take it to the streets or the strip and I won't go near a smelly ford! Plus, what car has dodge had in the last few years?? Intrepid, Sebring, hahha its embarrasing to dodge owners. Who the hell is gonna buy a VIPER!! My hads got a '67 Camaro 450 RWHP! (and a C1500) Hasn't run it yet for some reason. My bro has got a 72' Nova with a 350. I had all GM's since my first car(Buick).

1988 K5- Piss on Ford/Dodge/Jeep
 
I have a stocker Cherokee I'm just putting back on the road, so obviously I'm not anti-Heep. I do like the friendly rivarly, and always stay on my K5's side of it, though. I have a buddy that's a A or B tech for a Jeep dealer, and I bust his chops all the time about my superior K5. He has confidence and would take his stocker out on some pretty rough turf (he's also a tech, and picks em with the most durable parts). My Cherokee's a good little truck for wheelin' in snow and grassy knolls, but I wouldn't take it to places I'd take my K5.
I'm with the train of thought that dislikes the Jeep owners that don't put thier pants on one leg at a time. A manager I had at an old job had a gorgeous new all-leather, every gadget/option grand cherokee. It was a beautiful truck, the perfect symbol of money and wish-I-were-tough-but-what's-this-lever-labelled-4-something-btw?; I'd never have taken it out of the mall parking lot! But this guy was the biggest example of a rich scumbag on the yuppie trail. Me and my fellow smoker (only time we'd stand outside and look at cars) used to joke about labelling his TC shifter upside down and seeing if he ever noticed it wasn't factory.....

But then, I knew a girl that drove a stock CJ, never took it off-road, but was a jeeper to the core. It was her version of a Camaro, I guess.

Ratch
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don't get me completely wrong: I stop and gawk at a well built 60-70 mustang, and my boss is building up a F-600 for romping. probably will be an awesome truck when he finishes it, but I still won;t want anything to do with it. there are just so many flaws with most phords I;ve been around, that I just refuse to have anythign to do with them. my dads 72 had the oil drain plug over a cross member.... our 83 phord van drained over the front suspension and down the A Arms into the brakes, and the 91 aerostar drained onto the catalytic converter, making it smell like burning oil for 2 weeks after every oil change. I am impressed with the duribility of the old 460: my friend drove his stepdads truck for 6 months, burning out at every stoplight, cruising at approximatly 85 on any given road, and this was when the engine was 275K old. they finaly put a rebuild into it, and it runs better, but I don't like the exhaust rumble.... it sounds wrong to me, being a GM/Chevy fan.

as for chrystler/dodge/jeep, if not for the fact my dad got an extended warranty on his LHS, he would have paid for that thing 3 times over in the 4 years he's owned it.... at one point, the timing belt jumped by a couple of teeth, andhe barely made it off the road before it killed itself. the jeep blew out a tranny, and it took 7 tries to get one that doesn;t leak as bad, and shifts properly (granted a lot of that is on Lee Miles transmission)

my friends stepdad rebuilds, restores, and hot rods ancient cars. his engines of choice are generaly a chevy 383, or 454, regardless of what the vehicle is. he's got a 34 chevy master w/ 383 stroker, chopped and Rodded, a 34 model A choopped rodded, running a 454, and a 7x porsch 914(?) with a mid engine 454.

oh well, [/rant] I hate phords. everything else is tollerable to some extent ( I want an early 60's chrystler newport) and I will always drive something that is older then me, :-P

-Rich

El Presedente, ISOHYGIMP
 
I used to only like GM, but then realized that was kinda stupid, cause there are lots of Fords and Jeeps that are bad ass around here. I have friends with all kinds of stuff, and there are good points about everything, but when people make fun of Ford or Jeep I think its stupid becasue GM ain't nuthin' special either to be perfectly honest...

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"So a Dodge is not a real truck huh? How could you refuse a Dana80/Dana60 combo along with a 24V cummins, and a really good looking body? I mean Hello! I love them, I don't see why ya'll hate dodge's soo much! And no, there trannies do not suck! I am around one daily that has 70,000+ miles on it without so much as a hiccup"

How about the fact that the front axle has that stupid unreliable vacuum actuated crap instead of real hubs? I do like Diesels, but the I-6 design just rattles too much for me. And I'm not a big fan of that body style either--it was cool in 1994, but it's old now. BTW, I was in 4th grade in 1994. Besides...they've had a lot of problems with the coil springs in front of those trucks anyway. The Cummins is very heavy.

So, no, it's not a real truck until it gets hubs and a lever on the floor, and front leaf springs like a real truck should have. But it's closer to a real truck than the new Chevy, that'sfor sure.

Tim
'84 Chevy K10, lifted, loud, fast, and 3/4 ton axles
 
I don't have anything against Jeeps themselves, but I do agree that SOME Jeep owners (at least when it comes to off-roading) think they have the ultimate vehicles even when stock. It probably stems from the fact that Jeeps do dominate the off-road scene simply because of the shear number of Jeep vehicles out there. Our local 4x4 club, which I'm now president of, has about 50 members of about which 75% are Jeeps. When first joining the club several years ago I was the only fullsize truck which went trailriding on a regular basis....needless to say a few people kinda' gave me the nose up attitude until I proved myself and the Blazer on the trail.
We have a couple of "novice" rides per year in which non-members are invited to come out and try trailriding out. A lot of people come with stock vehicles and little to no experience. Most people with Jeeps that don't know any better are surprised how POORLY their stock Wranglers and Cherokees perform off-road, not that they are any worse than other vehicles but rather they think the name Jeep will get them through everything.
Concerning any stock vehicles out on the trail, there are none that I would consider very good. Of course, the driver's experience has a lot to do with it. I also disagree that all good Jeeps out on the trail have GM powertrains in them. Of all the guys I know with Jeeps, there are only a couple with GM engines and tranny's, and none with any other GM components.
 
newer jeeps are like mustangs, there "me to cars" you say you got a jeep, someone will say "ME TOO!". just like a mustang, they could be a stock POS with no power, but still hold up the drivers image. all show and no go. its all about the name to them.
 
also like the mustang if your over 6ft tall it gets alittle uncomfortable in there (well on the mustangs i can't get in with out puttin the squeeze on my boys from the steering column.) okay i can fit in a jeep but not as comfortably as in my k5
 
How in the hell did he get a 454 in a Porsche 914, and what is he using as a transaxle??

Josh
 
I disagree. My truck stock with 31s did VERY well off-road compared to just about anything else. It had the rear posi and was just about never stopped by anything.

Tim
'84 Chevy K10, lifted, loud, fast, and 3/4 ton axles
 
All in all there are some valid points made here! Except for the type like........I hate Jeeps 'cause they suck!

K5/10/20 etc. have some very strong points....like the small block, it's prolly the best motor of all time bar none. Although GMs body integrity as far as rust goes from way back til the mid eighties is something to be desired! The 14 bolt(GM creation) deserves some applaud but under a Jeep it's a little unpractical 'cause of the weight. Jeep also used the D44, I think quite a few years before GM. I think since the late forties! So was GM coping and using Jeep axles........uh, no!

If Blazer owners hate Jeeps so much why do the dump the hardtop and go softtop.... to be more like a Jeep? Just an observation and not meant to start anything!

If the Blazer was downsized by 25%, I believe that it would run rings around any Jeep.

So for now, my opinion as which is better, will be neither 'cause it's like comparing apples and oranges. It's just not fair to compare!

Ron
 
I think the square-headlight Jeeps (aka Yuppie Jeeps) got a bad rap because they were not trail-worthy and were like cars in Jeeps' clothing. Those are the ones you see with 33s on the highway with a kid behind the wheel. However, no matter how you slice it, the newer (round headlight) Jeeps are much more capable and trail-worthy straight from the factory.

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That's right about Dodge!!! If anyone has a bad attitude towards Dodge, try this on for size.
My father-in-law has a '92 4x4 Cummins, stock except for some mods on the engine and exhaust. One day he was taking down a tree that was only about 4 feet in diameter. The last 15 or so feet of that tree got hooked up, he first tried 2wd (on pavement), then got serious, locked the hubs and went into 4lo. He must of had that engine wound to 5 grand ON PAVEMENT!!! Breakage: one tree, several ropes. That's it. How many here would try that? I sure as heck wouldn't. I've got an $1100 used 12b in the rear.

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