Kinda figured that, but if I said that, changing Suncoast to Angelina Jolie.....
Well, it would not mean I was mad at her.....
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DEMON44
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Dave Goerend is the king of dodge autos. I have personal opinions of the prick that owns NADP, and how personal friends of mine have gotten screwed over by the man directly.
So that is a HUGE nay of nadp from me.
Goerend gives nothing but A+ customer service. to ALL him customers. even the ones buying small dollar items.
A buddy of mine has an allison billet ATS full meal deal behind his 2005 duramax. been really good to him.
So that is a HUGE nay of nadp from me.
Goerend gives nothing but A+ customer service. to ALL him customers. even the ones buying small dollar items.
A buddy of mine has an allison billet ATS full meal deal behind his 2005 duramax. been really good to him.
I am getting sooooo goddamn tired of spending money on stupid ****. One little nickle and dime problem after another. I think I don't even want to work on the damn thing for a day or two. Bleh
Joe, you know that IS NOT an option if you plan on driving this thing back to Georgia in a few days.
Damm Joe, you drivin that to Georgia? So soon? I have spent a lot on the little stuff, like all the time. It does wear on you, but stay focused! You have all of CK5 watching and admiring and wanting you to do your best! Keep your head up, we are all glad your home and finaly workin on you rig! That's what you have been wanting for ever!!
That'll be a long drive from Cali to Georgia in that rig. Hope you plan your fuel stops wisely. 
Hang in there Joe. I knew you were heading my direction one day, but I did not know it was that close.
Still don't know how close.
But, if it is getting close, might be time to start applying some triage to the situation.
To drive it to Ga., you MUST have the following:
Reliable running gear. Rear end, drive-shaft, transfer case, transmission, engine. With good cooling system.
Front drive is optional, and not needed for the trip.
Safe and reliable brakes.
Safe and reliable steering.
Headlights, taillights and brake lights.
Windshield with wipers.
Heater unless you are taking the southern route.
Radio, or a system of random electrical shocks to keep you alert.
Doors would help. And seat belts.
That is pretty much it. I'm sure that there are a couple of odds and ends I have forgotten, it is 2AM after all, but it has to get you there, it does not have to look good doing it.
Also, don't be ashamed to trade tires for no death-rattle.
In other words, if time is getting tight, and you have picked up a death-rattle, you can always put the big tires in the back or on a trailer and run street tires for the trip.
Heck, if space is limited, you could make some hangers and hang the tires around the outside of the truck like a tugboat until you get where you are going.
Would really help in a fender bender.
The key to focus on here is to get to Ga., on time, with your truck.
The fiddly bits can be sorted later.
If you are taking fire, the primary thing is to find cover and return fire. You can get that rock out from under your hip later.
Still don't know how close.
But, if it is getting close, might be time to start applying some triage to the situation.
To drive it to Ga., you MUST have the following:
Reliable running gear. Rear end, drive-shaft, transfer case, transmission, engine. With good cooling system.
Front drive is optional, and not needed for the trip.
Safe and reliable brakes.
Safe and reliable steering.
Headlights, taillights and brake lights.
Windshield with wipers.
Heater unless you are taking the southern route.
Radio, or a system of random electrical shocks to keep you alert.
Doors would help. And seat belts.
That is pretty much it. I'm sure that there are a couple of odds and ends I have forgotten, it is 2AM after all, but it has to get you there, it does not have to look good doing it.
Also, don't be ashamed to trade tires for no death-rattle.
In other words, if time is getting tight, and you have picked up a death-rattle, you can always put the big tires in the back or on a trailer and run street tires for the trip.
Heck, if space is limited, you could make some hangers and hang the tires around the outside of the truck like a tugboat until you get where you are going.
Would really help in a fender bender.
The key to focus on here is to get to Ga., on time, with your truck.
The fiddly bits can be sorted later.
If you are taking fire, the primary thing is to find cover and return fire. You can get that rock out from under your hip later.
I've spent so much money on this thing, that I can't afford to drive it back now. I came to terms with that a week ago. I'll be flying back and having it shipped a couple weeks later. If it was getting 10+ mpg, instead of the 6-7 it's getting now, and there weren't a bunch of piddly little ass-ache problems, I might have been able to make the road trip.
I try to bleed the brakes, and break off all the bleeder screws. Go buy screw extractors. Try to remove the broke bleeder screws, break drill bits and screw extractors. Buy/install new calipers. Old brake pads are dragging and making the wheel to hot to touch. Buy new brake pads. Replace brake pads, solve that problem. Reach over and grab the trans mount bolts. They're loose. Try to tighten them. Find out that they're loose because the stud is stripped. Sigh. Go buy new trans mount. Install new speakers in the dash, they sound like ass, when they work at all. One of them grounds out at random times and sends the new head unit into protect mode. Took me foreeeeever to figure that one out. No audio. Sigh.
It's been one avalanche like that after another. I love this truck, love working on it, but I also forgot how absolutely infuriating and patience trying it is. My only saving grace is knowing that after I fix all the little nickle and dime bull****, it'll be a ****ing bad ass truck in every way. Not just cause of the Alcans or Michelins, or just because its a rare truck or whatever reason, but because everything will work the way it was intended to. It'll ride straight down the road with no vibs, stop on a dime with no drama. All the power windows and locks will work. AC will work. All the interior lights, switches, accessories etc will work as if new. Carpet, power seats etc. A truck I would have absolutely no problems with letting my 83yo grandmother get in and drive across the country in.
Gonna be a long journey, fueled by lots of Newcastle.
I try to bleed the brakes, and break off all the bleeder screws. Go buy screw extractors. Try to remove the broke bleeder screws, break drill bits and screw extractors. Buy/install new calipers. Old brake pads are dragging and making the wheel to hot to touch. Buy new brake pads. Replace brake pads, solve that problem. Reach over and grab the trans mount bolts. They're loose. Try to tighten them. Find out that they're loose because the stud is stripped. Sigh. Go buy new trans mount. Install new speakers in the dash, they sound like ass, when they work at all. One of them grounds out at random times and sends the new head unit into protect mode. Took me foreeeeever to figure that one out. No audio. Sigh.
It's been one avalanche like that after another. I love this truck, love working on it, but I also forgot how absolutely infuriating and patience trying it is. My only saving grace is knowing that after I fix all the little nickle and dime bull****, it'll be a ****ing bad ass truck in every way. Not just cause of the Alcans or Michelins, or just because its a rare truck or whatever reason, but because everything will work the way it was intended to. It'll ride straight down the road with no vibs, stop on a dime with no drama. All the power windows and locks will work. AC will work. All the interior lights, switches, accessories etc will work as if new. Carpet, power seats etc. A truck I would have absolutely no problems with letting my 83yo grandmother get in and drive across the country in.
Gonna be a long journey, fueled by lots of Newcastle.
I've heard good things on the web boards about Goerend, but I have no experience with them.
I realize this is an endless argument with no possible winner. But....everything I said still stands. A cummins will make way more torque and hp, with way less money. And like I said, better milage, 2-3 times better.
You said cost...intial cost perhaps. That's it.
Weight- I'll give ya that.
RPM?? With more hp/tg, who cares about RPM? Just requires a different driving style.
Fuel system hassle...what could be more simple than a mechanically injected cummins?
Sound is subjective. I love the sound of a straight piped 12v. Some people like the sound of a 40 series flowmaster on a big block. I think it's obnoxious.
Cold start hassles....only if the motor isn't 100%.
Smoke...don't have to "roll coal" like a train to make big power. Just like the sound, some people like this.
As for how far I plan to build it....I want atleast 1000ft-lbs and 500hp. And twin turbos. And a Suncoast transmission. Something that can run with the new diesels. It's either build the truck like this, or spend 2-3 times more and buy a new truck.
One day, when it's all said and done, we'll have to get together and run an impromptu stop light to stop light race. My cummins against your big block. Then we can do a tow test. Then you can stop for fuel while I stop and get some beers.
Thanks again for the alignment procedure. Gonna try to make use of that today.
I don't call it an arguement, I call it friendly opposition, or just plain benchracing, or benchtowing too I guess.
I'll give you the towing, I admit diesels are better for towing, there is no arguement there.
As for as easily more hp and torque, I'll give you the torque, not the hp. It's not easy to make big hp with a diesell since the hp equation involves RPM.
And yeah, the no RPM requires a different driving style, a boring one! I like to hear my engine sing!
For the fuel system hassle I was referring to the constant fuel filter changes and cold weather gel up problems.
My brother has a tuned up duramax in a newer 2500HD. Runs real good, and it's pretty sweet to be able to change the power level with the press of a button or two. I don't like the smell though, the exhaust stinks when you get out, I prefer the smell of premium gas or better yet some VP C16!
As for your challenge, sounds like fun no matter who wins! I believe you would obviously take the tow test, especiallly with your long wheelbase to handle better, and the mileage test.
The drag race, you might be surprised, it could go either way. I've ridden in several diesels, heck my brother and I were goofing around in his this weekend playing with the power levels. And I have been at the duramax engine plant for my previous job, that engine is really pretty cool, the internals are awesome, and that valvetrain, (works well for a low rpm engine), is genius to have 32 valves and only one cam.
Another comment on this friendly opposition, to really make this all fair, my big block would then have to have twin turbos. Turbos change things. Or to make this challenge cheaper you could use the cummins with no turbos, that would be fair...?
NA gas vs NA diesel? FYI, now that they have direct injection in gas engines, which reduces detonation among other things (feul can't preignite if it's not there yet, which means more boost is possible) things will be changing yet again. Also, compression ignition gasoline engines may be closer than you think.
And you are correct, this could be neverending. So build your cummins and enjoy it. And don't get down on your truck, you have gotten a lot of work done in a short amount of time. Issues are bound to pop up, and almost every project always costs more money and time then you plan for. You are doing great, keep it up!
And thanks again for your service to this great country. If it wasn't for our service men and women this country wouldn't exist, and we couldn't be argueing about our rigs!
Never owned a modern diesel huh?
It's not easy to build HP with a Cummins? May be not real easy, but it's easier than a big block. Building HP with RPM's is relative, just because a BB needs to spin to 6K to builds it's peak HP, doesn't mean the bore and stroke of a Cummins needs to. It's "6K" is about 3K.
Not super difficult to make 600HP out of a Cummins, or at least easier than rebuilding a BB with all the components it takes to make 600HP out of said BB.
There is this nice little bonus with a Cummins though.... for every 1 HP you make, it's got 2 ft lbs of torque backing it up.
There is nothing boring about driving a motor that is got big power and is turbo charged.
There are no constant fuel filter changes, and you have to be in REALLY cold weather to have any gel issues.
It's not easy to build HP with a Cummins? May be not real easy, but it's easier than a big block. Building HP with RPM's is relative, just because a BB needs to spin to 6K to builds it's peak HP, doesn't mean the bore and stroke of a Cummins needs to. It's "6K" is about 3K.
Not super difficult to make 600HP out of a Cummins, or at least easier than rebuilding a BB with all the components it takes to make 600HP out of said BB. There is this nice little bonus with a Cummins though.... for every 1 HP you make, it's got 2 ft lbs of torque backing it up.
Nothing like the sound and feel of a Cummins rolling in on the power as the turbo spools at 1500RPM, cutting loose it's torque peak, with an open 5" exhaust.And yeah, the no RPM requires a different driving style, a boring one! I like to hear my engine sing!
There is nothing boring about driving a motor that is got big power and is turbo charged.There are no constant fuel filter changes, and you have to be in REALLY cold weather to have any gel issues.
Never owned a modern diesel huh?
No I haven't, and I don't think I ever will, because my father has a few of them, my brother has one, my cousin has one, and my uncle has several. They are cool, and I respect them, but they aren't my kind of fun. If I did heavy towing a lot, then I would probably get one, because they are definitely good for that.
That's easy to say from Cali!
People get stranded more often in the winter here because they didn't change their fuel filter within 10k miles and what not. Building HP with RPM's is relative, just because a BB needs to spin to 6K to builds it's peak HP, doesn't mean the bore and stroke of a Cummins needs to. It's "6K" is about 3K.
I wasn't referring to the relativitey of the RPM to the engine, I was talking about the fact that HP is a function of torque. HP is calculated from torque based on the torque at that RPM, you don't measure HP. So unless you make torque at high RPM, the HP will never be that high, which is why diesels have so much more torque than HP. I agree low end torque is good, particularly for trucks and towing. There is no replacement for displacement.
Nothing like the sound and feel of a Cummins rolling in on the power as the turbo spools at 1500RPM, cutting loose it's torque peak, with an open 5" exhaust.
That would be pure opinion, and I would take a healthy big block any day, the sound, the smell, the feel, the lack of black smoke, it's all better! And I have driven both.
So, you go have fun in your cummins, I'll have fun with my gas V8s, and we'll both be happy! It's all good.
Also, I don't want to hijack his thread anymore than I already have, so I'll just admit I am outnumbered on this subject at this location, and call it good!
I actually always felt like my drums gave me more stopping power. Bear in mind when I did my disc brake swap on Horton it was mainly cause the drums had quit working. I basically used what I had laying around. Also mine were the bigger drums, they were freaking huge.
It was a blast have Zim along in Moab, I have to build capable rigs I am a crappy driver
Hey Joe I feel your pain man with the nickel and dime stuff, I try to convince my friends who have never done a project to add a certain amount to the budget for stupid little stuff, they never do and it always sits. But like you said when done you will have a rig where everything works and works well. That is worth a ton.
Hey Joe, how's it going been over 24hrs since you have been on here, hope all is well!
He may be in the process of moving to Ga. I know it was getting close.
Joe was originally going to be driving "Zeus" to Georgia leaving either yesterday or today but instead he will be flying and not sure if that changed his departure date or not.
Somewhere on FB I think he said they had been without power for a couple days 
Somewhere on FB I think he said they had been without power for a couple days
Yeah I saw that too. They got a bunch of snow and wind.
I'm alive and well. Been without power for almost 4 days now. On my phone at the moment. We had 16" of snow, no wind. Al the oak trees still had their leaves, the extra wright of the snow stuck to the leaves brought down hundreds of trees in the area. The trees in turn brought down almost as many power poles. 4 alone on this street. Happy to report that 4x4 works. My HIGHLY clearanced stock drive shaft isn't very happy about what I'm asking it to do, but it hasn't blown up yet. Good thing.... I wouldn't have made it out of the drive way without 4x4. Stock cv is at its absolute max though, ANY articulation and BOOM.
Something else I learned. There is a "middle" position on the fuel tank selector switch, that will prevent the truck from starting. It took 2 days, a new neutral safety switch, new ignition switch and a LOT of cussing and throwing tools to figure that out. Just figured that out about 20 minutes ago. I'm gonna go put the dash and steering
column back together now. Sigh.
Something else I learned. There is a "middle" position on the fuel tank selector switch, that will prevent the truck from starting. It took 2 days, a new neutral safety switch, new ignition switch and a LOT of cussing and throwing tools to figure that out. Just figured that out about 20 minutes ago. I'm gonna go put the dash and steering
column back together now. Sigh.
Good hear your ok. Sucks about the gas tank switch though. When you can, lets see some pics of the snow!! Also, more importantly, Your rig in the snow!! Hope you get power back soon! I love snow!!!
