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14b front axle (old thread 2005)

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If I ever went to the trouble of a hybrid axle, it would be a Mog 9 (Mog portals and 9" center) or a 69 (D60 knucks and 9" center). I like the 9 due to strength, options, clearance, weight, easy service, and it's extemely common with great parts selection.

[Edit] And while we're talking about Ford on GM, what about 31 spline 205 inputs, 32 spline front 205 outputs, hi-pinion 60s, 57" springs, bronco coils on some of the coil conversions, pitman arm and shock towers (already mentioned), starter relays, and I'm sure there is more...

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Someday I will do the same thing. I want a 69 axle, but not till I go coilover up front. I like the lightweight compared to the 60 and the ease of welding.
 
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I have read this post like 10 times and I still dont get what was gained (stregnth or otherwise) in relation to dollars spent /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gifYour not gonna wheel it are ya?

Not bashing,just dont get it /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
 
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both drivesafts rotate in the same direction. So think of it this way looking from the t-case to the real rear end the drive shaft is spining clockwise wich makesthe truck go forward. Now that same shaft is conected to the front spining the same way would then want the front to go in reverse.im positive /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif how do you plan on combating this problem?? /forums/images/graemlins/ears.gif

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Dude, it will rotate the correct direction, think about it!
 
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Yes they are Ford knuckles. As for strength issues, the only broken knuckles i've seen were Chev knuckles. If I ever do break one, then ill just have to get some beefier ones /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif!

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I have read this post like 10 times and I still dont get what was gained (stregnth or otherwise) in relation to dollars spent /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gifYour not gonna wheel it are ya?

Not bashing,just dont get it /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif

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Well if you havent figured it by now, im into BIG trucks. /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif I also like building custom stuff. It will be stronger, not much but I didnt build it to be stronger then a 60, I built it because as I mentioned above, I have MANY more plans for this truck.

In the end it will have 14bolts f/r, 4 wheel steering, 4 link, coilovers, center drop t case, and 44's/49's. Sound kinda like how a monster trucks set up? Oh and some Black paint with Lime Green flames! Sound familiar? /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

I hasnt cost me anymore then a 60 would have.

As for wheeling it, yes, I will wheel it, obviously not hardcore like you all, but I have wheeled it and I still will. Im going to get a beater for the hardcore wheelin! /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

As for the gears, they will work out, just keep thinkin about it!

Thanks to everyone for there responese, I see most of you dont like it, but in the end, when its all functional, its going to be awesome! /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif
 
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Shafts are gonna fly with 49's! /forums/images/graemlins/yikes.gif
 
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I think it's cool cause it's what You want and it's diffrent. I like the ideal of a mini monster. I really think it would look cool with an S-10 body then it would really look like a little monster. /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif
 
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I don't know why everyone has to put this axle you built down. Wagner Machine in Oklahoma make these axles and I've never heard one negative comment about theirs. /forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif Whats up with that, members? /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif
 
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ok im an idiot just figured it out with the help of lego's /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/doah.gif
 
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I thought they only built the one just for grins? In any case, I'm not putting down the axle at all. I'm all for people doing their own shhhh-tuff. I just don't understand the effort and cost for the return... Different folks, different needs and ideas I guess.

I also do not believe even a 14FF can stand up to 49" tires, much less with the 60 joints and outers, at least not if it's wheeled on more than a dirt road at light throttle. But I suppose we'll see...

And the Ford knucks are a known weak point relative to the GM and Dodge knucks. You can physically see the difference around the king pin. However, most people that break them are using hydro steering and beating pretty hard. Then again... 49s... /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif

Good luck with it in any case.
 
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I don't know why everyone has to put this axle you built down. Wagner Machine in Oklahoma make these axles and I've never heard one negative comment about theirs. /forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif Whats up with that, members? /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif

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Which is why many of the original members, like you and me, are not here any more. Anytime someone desides to do something different, some one else has to knock it. I don't want a 14b in the front of my truck, but that doesn't mean I don't like the idea. And I think what he has done is great. And is a great idea. For people who want 60's in the front, this may be something to think about. Maybe not. I don't know, but I like it.
 
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You put this much thought and money into doing something different. Why then would not you get some correct gears for it?
 
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...Wagner Machine in Oklahoma make these axles and I've never heard one negative comment about theirs...

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I remember when the pics of the WMS 14 bolt front made the rounds on the net.

I seem to remember people saying alot of the same things as said here (stregnth gain,clearance,etc.) /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
 
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Damn that truck is clean. I mean underneath anyway. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif Does it have any fluids in it? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Needs shocks too yet I think. At least I didn't see them.
 
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It's cool to see somebody thinking "outside the box". I wouldn't necessarily do that for my rig, but I'm sure that there's things about my rig people wouldn't think of doing with their's.

I gotta give you credit for trying something new. Plus from what you are describing as your intended use, Overall strength outways ground clearance, so you are on the right track (although you would have been a little better off with GM knuckles......sssshhhh).

Props for originality /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
 
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Thanks for all the feedback! /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

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Damn that truck is clean. I mean underneath anyway. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif Does it have any fluids in it? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Needs shocks too yet I think. At least I didn't see them.

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HAHA, yes it does have fluids in it. A few years ago I pulled the body off the frame and sandblasted and painted, cleaned/replaced everything. The bodys whats next to be cleaned up.
 
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You've got me tempted to do the same thing with a D70HD rear I've got in the garage. /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif

Only I would offset the differential housing to the passenger side as far as I could to where the inside u-bolt will sit right on the side of the housing where the tube goes in.

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If I were to do this I would put the diff on the driver's side. It just makes no sense to have it on the passenger side and I think GM really dropped the ball on that one.

When you're out crawling your blind side is always the passenger side. IMO its much easier to stick your head out the window and look at where the driver's front tire is going and pretty much you can factor in your clearance much easier.

Obviously many people wheel Chevy trucks and have for decades now and I'm sure that many don't feel the same way I do, but I know that if I ever spent the cash to make a custom front axle, I'm going driver's side. (probably never, but just my thoughts on if I ever had more money than brains and needed to do something like build a custom axle)

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I understand but understand my philosophy: Keep your GM all GM. Sorry, no Ford parts on my rigs. Except for the F150 pitman arms for crossover, thats all. /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

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Axle would be custom and transfer case would be Ford but that's New Process anyway, not really GM so I am really not seeing where the Ford parts are in that combo.

GM 205, Ford 205, same thing......

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Not quite. You're still gonna have to remove the Ford input shaft to fit a GM input in order to mate it to the tranny of your choice. Too much if you ask me. /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif

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Use the ford 31 spline input and have ORD supply the output shaft for a 203 to build a doubler.
 
i finally figured that out with the rotation and stuff once i got to the fifth page. sounds sick, i like the idea, its different and thats what i'm into..is it a full float or semi float? rear steer in a 14 bolt sounds sick but i'm curious about all the axle shafts and stuff....i bet steering is guna be a boner unless you get hydro and eevrything, but i guess if your going so big tire wise you had already thought of that...

i really love the idea, but if i were to do it i'd go pass. just to save the b.s...
 
All front axles are "full-float"....

Greg gave up on the project long ago. He disassemled and sold the rig off.
 
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i finally figured that out with the rotation and stuff once i got to the fifth page. sounds sick, i like the idea, its different and thats what i'm into..is it a full float or semi float? rear steer in a 14 bolt sounds sick but i'm curious about all the axle shafts and stuff....i bet steering is guna be a boner unless you get hydro and eevrything, but i guess if your going so big tire wise you had already thought of that...

i really love the idea, but if i were to do it i'd go pass. just to save the b.s...
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dooooood, this thread is 3 yrs old... :wink1:
 
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dooooood, this thread is 3 yrs old... :wink1:
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Thats what I thought, too. :doah:

Someones been browsing waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in this forum. What a way to dredge oldies. :D
 
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