1982 Crewcab towrig

[big4x4ride]

maybe i should post more often..

 

[jac6695]

This is better then watching the movie Dumb and Dumber.

I think that it is really bad when a Mod and a Vendor gets into a pissing match with a kid that likes to start trouble, meanwhile completely hijacking someone else's thread. These guys crack me up.

 

[84_Chevy_K10]

This is better then watching the movie Dumb and Dumber.

I think that it is really bad when a Mod and a Vendor gets into a pissing match with a kid that likes to start trouble, meanwhile completely hijacking someone else's thread. These guys crack me up.

I find it humerous that the rest of the membership, such as yourself, can say whatever they want, but myself, because my name says vendor (which is basically meaningless around here) can't say squat on the board without listening to this crap.

News flash, I've been a member of this board a long time (long before there even were paying members, or vendors for that matter) and I'm not going anywhere. I'd give up my vendor title before I'd move on from CK5.

 

[rjfguitar]

WTF is this? SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS TORQUE IS NOT IMPORTANT IN ANY OF MY POSTS. YOU ACCUSE ME OF DANCING AROUND STATEMENTS THAT YOU CAN'T FIND BECAUSE THEY DON'T EXIST... QUOTE ME PLEASE.... DEAR GOD QUOTE ME.

Junior,

Exactly, you claim that HP is what it takes to pull hills. I don't care about a dead stop, well forget about that and focus on pulling hills.

So if HP is what pulls hills than why isn't every american HD light pickup equipped with a turbo'd Vtec 4 banger? They have lots of HP vs. Torque.

I HAVE SAID IT TONS OF TIMES. TORQUE GETS IT MOVIN HP KEEPS IT THERE. THAT ANSWERS YOUR REDICULOUS 327 QUESTION.

That doesn't even come close to answering my 327 question, not even close.

Like I said...if HP is what gets it done why didn't GM use Vette 327's in their HD pickups?

either you just plain don't get it and don't know how to answer my questions or you know that obviously a low torque engine is worthless and prefer to waist everyone's time by just dancing around and changing your mind every other post.

 

[jac6695]

That is because the rest of the members around here don't go around spewing crap into someone else's threads, and then get so butt hurt when they get criticized like you do. As far as the Vendor reference, I don't see Vendors on other sites going around crapping on other people like you do here. They seem to keep a low profile and help maintain an image that is a positive representation of the website. As far as going away, that would be nice. You have been offered by several people to "bought out" of here.


Now leave this thread alone, and if you and your buddies would like to continue the diesel vs. big block debate, start a new thread.

 

[dirtwarrior17]

Alright man i don't understand how you don't get this.....


they don't use 4 bangers because they would never get up to speed without torque to use the hp... not to mention burn up the clutch taking off.... your bending what i said. I said hp is what pulls hills meaning if you want to hit a hill with a load and maintain speed you better have some hp. once you are at speed, say 65 mph with a load in the back you need hp to maintain speed up the hill? Make sense? I really didn't think you were seriously asking me to answer you question.

Why are we even arguing about this.... I posted what that meant about 10 posts ago...
you are arguing with me about hp being the best towing tool when I never said anything even close to that.... read all of my posts from the begining then read this argument.... its retarded.


you really need to read my posts better... I've asked you to show me this dancing and changing my mind crap and its yet to be seen. know why? because its not there. you completly misunderstood when i said hp pulls hills. a vtech has what like 230 hp? who cares. you say i want vtechs and gas motors in all the hd towing vehicles from that one statement... i just don't understand it. Instead of accusing me of being wrong just admit that you didn't understand what i was saying. Until you come up with a quote that proves what i've been saying is wrong or that i change my mind were not goin to get anywhere. even one that suggests i want vtechs and 327's in all trucks... i've gone back and read all my posts and i dont' understand why your arguing with me...

 

[rjfguitar]

they don't use 4 bangers because they would never get up to speed without torque to use the hp... not to mention burn up the clutch taking off.... your bending what i said. I said hp is what pulls hills meaning if you want to hit a hill with a load and maintain speed you better have some hp. once you are at speed, say 65 mph with a load in the back you need hp to maintain speed up the hill? Make sense? I really didn't think you were seriously asking me to answer you question.

Thank you for answering my question after the third time of asking. Unfortunately your answer is incorrect. Even if you could have the vehicle already up to speed a HP happy engine would never hold it there from the lack of any real usable torque in any usable power band.

I posted what that meant about 10 posts ago...

No you didn't, this was the first time you actually answered anything.

you are arguing with me about hp being the best towing tool when I never said anything even close to that....

You DID say that HP is what it takes to pull hills.

all that torque means nothing at highway speed on hills because hp is what your using on hills.

You make up stuff so fast because you don't want to admit you are wrong that you can't even remember what you were talking about....

 

[dirtwarrior17]

no you took that to mean hp is what pulls period... pull a cat diesel out of your backhoe stick it in a truck, stick a mild 350 in that same truck put it at 65 and hit a highway hill which one will be able to maintain speed? this is why i don't understand your argument. you are the only one who didn't get what i said.

so if what you say is true why do semis slow way down going up hills with no load? hmmm lack of hp.

you haven't showed me anything that contradicts myself.

 

[rjfguitar]

even one that suggests i want vtechs and 327's in all trucks...

I never said that. I never made a statement...I asked a question to test your theory, I never said you wanted anything.

Here is my question you are refering to...

Like I said...if HP is what gets it done why didn't GM use Vette 327's in their HD pickups?

 

[dirtwarrior17]

wow i just saw your bbc vs diesel post.... way to twist what i said then say you proved me wrong.... you whole argument is void. I said pulling HILLS. go back and read it. If you don't beleive i will quote it.

 

[beater_k20]

dirtwarrior, check this out... http://coloradok5.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1150566&postcount=24

 

[rjfguitar]

... pull a cat diesel out of your backhoe stick it in a truck,.

I'm very impressed with what your high school teacher is teaching you in your heavy equipment class. Case Back hoes are equipped with Cummins engines.

so if what you say is true why do semis slow way down going up hills with no load? hmmm lack of hp.

This one's easy.

Refering to semis from earlier in this thread
If HP was the answer then CAT, Cummins, and Detroit would build shorter stroked, higher revving engines that could produce tons of HP..they would if that was most important. THey build low RPM, high torque engines because that is what gets them moving and KEEP them moving up hills. Let me narrow this down to an LD pickup for you. A 2005 Dodge 3/4 pickup cummins equipped makes 325HP and 610 ft lbs. It's Gross combined weight rating is around 22K IIRC. I would bet that a new '05' can pull almost any hill at the speed limit at full GCWR. Let me show you how much difference the weight vs. power ratio is in a heavy truck. It would take the dodge almost 4 times the power to pull 80K like how it pulls it's GCWR of about 22K. That comes out to around 1,250HP and 2,400 ft lbs of torque to pull a GCWR of 80K like how it does 22K. Maybe now you can see why trucks have a harder time dragging 80K up a hill at full speed when most of them are rated around 400hp/1500ft lbs.

you haven't showed me anything that contradicts myself

Hah, read my last few posts.

 

[dirtwarrior17]

oh man... read the post that started this and you will understand.... go to bbc vs diesels.

 

[rjfguitar]

wow i just saw your bbc vs diesel post.... way to twist what i said then say you proved me wrong.... you whole argument is void. I said pulling HILLS. go back and read it. If you don't beleive i will quote it.

Don't bother, I'll do it for you.

all that torque means nothing at highway speed on hills because hp is what your using on hills

I have been talking about pulling hills from the beginning, I don't care about 0-60 performance.

 

[dirtwarrior17]

who said 0-60.

 

[dirtwarrior17]

I would bet that a new '05' can pull almost any hill at the speed limit at full GCWR.

i even said it would but its obvious we are not talking about the 05 because he doesn't have the $$$$. when i made that comment i was talking about the pre 2000 diesels...

 

[rjfguitar]

i even said it would but its obvious we are not talking about the 05 because he doesn't have the $$$$. when i made that comment i was talking about the pre 2000 diesels...

Oh my GOD you are impossible. I was using the dodge for an EXAMPLE to answer your question about semis.

Someone lock this damn thread already....the kid's never going to get it.

 

[dirtwarrior17]

rofl.... wow.

 

[dirtwarrior17]

originally posted by dirtwarrior17: not uphill...... maybe if your talking about stuffing a very expensive newer and modded to the max 5.9. The cat would be a good option but the allisons are serious bank.

On flat ground from a stop the diesel will obviously outpull a stock 454 but uphill is a different story. With very minor mods he could have the 454 pumping out 400+ hp and somewhere in the range of 450-500 ftlbs.

the 7.3 L will suck more gas and not have as much off idle torque but it will be able to cruise up hills alot easier and still will handle whatever you have to throw at it with no problem considering he has the option of looking into getting one built up... if he can afford a 5.9 cummins or the cat with the allison he can easily mod a big block to pull just as hard as the diesel and harder than it up hills.

 

[dirtwarrior17]

origianally posted by hossbaby50 If you are talking about pulling some heavy grades with some heavy weights a 6.2 even turbo'ed is going to suck. A friend of mine pulls his K5 with a crewcab with a 6.2L Turboed. His trailer is heavy along with his truck but it is a dog on hills. It does ok on flat ground but if there is any incline involoved it doesn't do so hot.

I would go with a 454/4500, 350/465, or get a 6.5L TD in there.

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