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1986/73 huge change of plans opinions needed
- Thread starter blazinzuk
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if you want a dually..... Keep it dually
dually= completely bad ass IMHO, but it also compromises trail ability. Of course being a crew cab chevy compromises trail ability enough.
But thank you Rick for helping convince me to keep it dually, now where is Gus cause I am sure he will tell me I am a moron for keeping it dually
So I am a tard when it comes to drawing stuff up on the puter.
So courtesy of a member here I got this pic of a crew cab white chevy with no bed or anything.
Couple of rough ideas
This one uses a double bar behind the cab with some sheetmetal in between and dimple dies on the sheetmetal, all the round holes ( which I know are not even or consistant) are dimple dies in thinner metal. Most of the basic bed will be using square tube as a frame. So the overall bed will be a mix of round and square. This one is also a bit longer wheelbase. Closer to a stock wheelbase
This one is based on a shortbed wheelbase length basic about 150" basically the same thing but with no dimple dies and not quite as fancy.
You get the general idea here.
The goal is to kind of make all the tube work above the basic flatbed modular held on with tube clamps or tabs ( very strong ones) so that if I need a true flatbed to haul something or if I do get a slide in camper I can pull it all off and make it work.
So courtesy of a member here I got this pic of a crew cab white chevy with no bed or anything.
Couple of rough ideas
This one uses a double bar behind the cab with some sheetmetal in between and dimple dies on the sheetmetal, all the round holes ( which I know are not even or consistant) are dimple dies in thinner metal. Most of the basic bed will be using square tube as a frame. So the overall bed will be a mix of round and square. This one is also a bit longer wheelbase. Closer to a stock wheelbase
This one is based on a shortbed wheelbase length basic about 150" basically the same thing but with no dimple dies and not quite as fancy.
You get the general idea here.
The goal is to kind of make all the tube work above the basic flatbed modular held on with tube clamps or tabs ( very strong ones) so that if I need a true flatbed to haul something or if I do get a slide in camper I can pull it all off and make it work.
Ignore the fact that these are SRW pics, I wanted to do these just to get a feel for the flatbed, if I go dually the flatbed will be a little wider than the cab but not by much, if I go SRW it will stay the exact width of the cab.
The truck will also probably be lower than this, shooting for about 3" of lift. I am going to run a 465 and a 205 or possibly a 241 in it the 205 is a round pattern case so I should be able to clock it.
Suspension will be linked in the rear with bags, front is up in the air.
The truck will also probably be lower than this, shooting for about 3" of lift. I am going to run a 465 and a 205 or possibly a 241 in it the 205 is a round pattern case so I should be able to clock it.
Suspension will be linked in the rear with bags, front is up in the air.
I vote against the dually. They suck off road.
Martin
Martin
Yes I know, if you go above that white C&C truck I got the motor from, its a 2wd and I got stuck on my road, which is dead flat, in the winter time. Backing out of the driveway, stopped put in in a forward gear and nothing, completely totally stuck.
I left it in gear while I went and got some kitty litter to spread under the tires!
I was only 60 feet from my garage door.
But seeing the big ass of a lifted dually cruising down the road is ummmmmmm oh so sexy
I've been stuck too many times with a dually to see them as anything but stupid.
Martin
Martin
Big dually = tow rig only. No wheeling. That's what Horton is for!
That said, at some point I am sure I am gonna wind up with an LML in my Tahoe, so, maybe we can work out a deal on a pre-programmed and ready to drop in LB7 for ya
Is the dually auto or stick? I can't remember
That said, at some point I am sure I am gonna wind up with an LML in my Tahoe, so, maybe we can work out a deal on a pre-programmed and ready to drop in LB7 for ya
Is the dually auto or stick? I can't remember
Big dually = tow rig only. No wheeling. That's what Horton is for!
That said, at some point I am sure I am gonna wind up with an LML in my Tahoe, so, maybe we can work out a deal on a pre-programmed and ready to drop in LB7 for ya
Is the dually auto or stick? I can't remember
It is an auto right now but I am putting a 465 in it. That's a deal I could really get behind Russ lol.
But do remember Horton is aawesome at the harder trails but loading up the fan and hitting the continental divide trail is not his strong suit. The dually I want built to handle off road, and be able to tow. I have wheeled with other big trucks and the dually thing really is impractical but i have always wanted one so desire may trump logic in this one but i really need to hear it about a thousand times before I get it
No comments on the above flatbed designs ?
Nice!!! the 6.2 turbo will be a perfect, I'd say go single dual 37" will kill your mileage
Also the bed is cool but I would go a little less on the "roll bar" part if you ever want to pull a goosneck our 5th wheel
Also the bed is cool but I would go a little less on the "roll bar" part if you ever want to pull a goosneck our 5th wheel
Thats a good point Gus, I really hope to make the hole upper part removeable. I would like the whole thing to be modular so I can pull off everything and use a flatbed like I was meant to be used.
Driving around today I am pretty sure I am going to do what some others specifically Jason (boz42) did and run h1s on the front axle and switch out to 14 bolt hubs and discs in the back and run the same stock h1 rim and tire combo. Cheaper I remember today ( seeing a couple dually snow plows struggling) how much daullys SUCK in the snow.
Doing the axles like that will decrease steering a bit probably because the rear axle is actually wider but it will keep the stance wide in the back and add some stability because it is wider. Besides if I ever want to go back to duals I will just keep the 70 hubs kicking around and then it should be pretty simple to switch back
WHY do you want to wheel the CC?
I'm not a big fan of flatbeds, but I'm not a big fan of wheelin' CC longbeds either.
I hate to see a solid bodied CC get beat Eric....and you know IT WILL HAPPEN!
I say keep the CC stockish, make it solid dependable, and build your dream Horton!
I'm not a big fan of flatbeds, but I'm not a big fan of wheelin' CC longbeds either.
I hate to see a solid bodied CC get beat Eric....and you know IT WILL HAPPEN!
I say keep the CC stockish, make it solid dependable, and build your dream Horton!
No no it won't Dave, it will be forest trails and mild wheelin, more camping expedition. It won't be lifted much, It will run 37s cause they are cheap. The flat bed is just a concession to what I need vs what I want.
The crew cabs first job is going to be daily driver. Second towing. Third looking good. Fourth is wheeling.
I am also building it to help as a chase truck for the race team.
I know all you guys think I will beat it up but thats just not going to happen.
I really really really really want to keep it closer to stock with the bed and stuff but the simple fact of the matter is I can't afford to build the Jimmy and the crew cab. I need a daily driver and buying a beater car doesn't make sense to me because of the fact that I still need a tow rig.
The Jimmy sucks at towing, it is an awesome mild wheeler and not a bad daily driver. But Horton will always be the one that gets the nod for wheeling. The ONLY time the crew would go wheeling is in the winter time, and on camping trips. We are talking mostly easy roads here.
So the whole build is a compromise that really sucks to make but it makes alot of sense.
So as stupid as it sounds this is a common sense build up.
After seeing your designs finally I say SRW now also. I didnt catch the sometimes wheeler part. I was thinking you wanted a DD tow rig. deffinately do the SRW with your first design
Yah the exploring trips up to the hills and such Horton does not work so good for.
This is a truck I will worry about scratching and the paint. It will not get wheeled hard at all.
But to even be a mildly capable wheeler it has to have some decently sized tires cause its gianormous.
Most of the suspension mods are more of a nod to daily driver status. The Jimmy rides like crap, I have had one ton trucks before, they ride like crap. So most of the suspension mods are to help its on road ride and still have serious towing capability built into the suspension.
Also understand that this will be a driving build.
I have to get the truck running first and it will do so very stock. Then stuff will start to happen and alot will depend on if and how much I can sell the Jimmy for.
First goal is to get the 6.2 465 and 205 in.
Almost everything from there I won't have to take the truck down for more than a weekend. I do mean everything.
Only thing that will take longer is the front links.
I have to get the truck running first and it will do so very stock. Then stuff will start to happen and alot will depend on if and how much I can sell the Jimmy for.
First goal is to get the 6.2 465 and 205 in.
Almost everything from there I won't have to take the truck down for more than a weekend. I do mean everything.
Only thing that will take longer is the front links.
I think the moment you put a flat bed on it the dually look gets ruined anyway. I also don't like flat beds. The regular bed is much better.
I saw if you want to wheel it on logging roads, camping, etc. Get rid of the dual wheels and put a regular fleetside bed on it, shortbed or longbed, and then run the H1 wheels with the dually axles and swap the rear hubs. Then it will be narrower and still look nice and still work well.
I saw if you want to wheel it on logging roads, camping, etc. Get rid of the dual wheels and put a regular fleetside bed on it, shortbed or longbed, and then run the H1 wheels with the dually axles and swap the rear hubs. Then it will be narrower and still look nice and still work well.
I had a whole post planned out for why the duals wouldn't work, but I guess it would just be wasted words now. 
