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67 Shorty 8.1, 4l80 and more

Thanks! I know I never parted out a Caravan so it must have come from one of my C-list finds. I will definitely pick up a couple more next time I am at a wrecking yard.
 
Day 19
I installed the third set of doors since I have owned this.
First set with flames had big speaker holes, filled door handles on the outside and the elec poppers P.O installed were total crap.
2nd set had the hokey mirrors and speaker holes.
I bought a parts truck that had these, so on they went.
I believe these mirrors might have originally came on a F@rd.

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Day 20
I pulled some 60/40 seats out of a 94 ext cab a while back and after some trail fitting determined they were a little narrow for this cab.
A drink holder / console from a Peterbilt semi made everything work ok. I will replace these seats as soon as something nicer becomes available.

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Excuse the dirty seat/console this pic was taken during mock up.Installed a new dash pad and hooked up the floor shifter that was in the cab when I bought it, but it is going bye bye after I install a tilt column from a van I parted out a while back.

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And a new steering wheel I bought at the Springfield Nationals last year.
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What happened on day 21? I assume you got sidetracked?
A few things actually. As it was highway drivable at this point I spent a few days working out some bugs/details to improve the road manners [horn/weather stripping/stereo system/back bumper etc....] . Considering how fast I threw this thing together it goes down the highway great. 75/80 mph I can take my hands off of the wheel and it tracks straight and true. I planned to do a partial disassembly and clean /paint/detail all of the things I hurried thru while building it. Then I saw a squirrel and bounced to some of my other projects. I still have it and fire it up and drive it around at least once a month. Future plans are to install an 8.1 I bought from KTMoutfront, some type of od trans {nv4500 or 4l80} and finish the interior and paint.
 
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My 241 SYE showed up on Christmas and the Howell wiring harness and PCM was delivered on Saturday. I have a ton of smalls to buy for the 8.1 install but hope to start back in on this thing soon.

I originally slammed this thing together way too fast and and although I get a lot of compliments/thumbs up on it, I need to redo/clean up a few things. Also it is way too high and will be coming down to a much more user/trail friendly height.
 
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Hey, how bout that doubler talk?

That was supposed to be an ancient caucasian secret but since you brought it up.
I have been having a brain fart of sorts. Lets say lwb or maybe in this case a swb truck with either nv4500 or 4l80 hooked up to a DRIVER drop 241 t-case, a short drive shaft then hooked to a divorced 205 pass drop. I figure a driver drop 241 because the wrecking yards are full of them and it would make a clear path for the front driveshaft coming from the 205. The 205 has 32 splines on the input and both outputs. Thoughts?
 
That was supposed to be an ancient caucasian secret but since you brought it up.
I have been having a brain fart of sorts. Lets say lwb or maybe in this case a swb truck with either nv4500 or 4l80 hooked up to a DRIVER drop 241 t-case, a short drive shaft then hooked to a divorced 205 pass drop. I figure a driver drop 241 because the wrecking yards are full of them and it would make a clear path for the front driveshaft coming from the 205. The 205 has 32 splines on the input and both outputs. Thoughts?
You know you wanted to talk about it...
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That was supposed to be an ancient caucasian secret but since you brought it up.
I have been having a brain fart of sorts. Lets say lwb or maybe in this case a swb truck with either nv4500 or 4l80 hooked up to a DRIVER drop 241 t-case, a short drive shaft then hooked to a divorced 205 pass drop. I figure a driver drop 241 because the wrecking yards are full of them and it would make a clear path for the front driveshaft coming from the 205. The 205 has 32 splines on the input and both outputs. Thoughts?
You can even stick the 241 output straight into the 205 and build an adapter to hold them together. That's even shorter than the divorced 205 setup
 
You can even stick the 241 output straight into the 205
Umm how? I figured I would have to run either a short drive shaft or maybe the stock slip joint on the 241 and a corresponding 1310/1350? u joint attached to the 205 yoke.
 
That was supposed to be an ancient caucasian secret but since you brought it up.
I have been having a brain fart of sorts. Lets say lwb or maybe in this case a swb truck with either nv4500 or 4l80 hooked up to a DRIVER drop 241 t-case, a short drive shaft then hooked to a divorced 205 pass drop. I figure a driver drop 241 because the wrecking yards are full of them and it would make a clear path for the front driveshaft coming from the 205. The 205 has 32 splines on the input and both outputs. Thoughts?

i’ll bite.

that was always something I thought about as well, since no adapter would be needed to mate them, and on a lwb truck you could adjust the position of the divorced 205 to be centered and have equal length driveshafts front/rear.

too bad there isnt a way to use the front output of the 241 like a pto, that would be pretty slick to use the front output. I guess technically you could twin stick a ford 205 (driver drop) and then a divorced behind it, then you would have front only and could drive something else off of the ford 205 front output. But then you could just use the pto on the 205. But maybe the front output on the 205, would allow for more flexibility/versatility?
 
i’ll bite.

that was always something I thought about as well, since no adapter would be needed to mate them, and on a lwb truck you could adjust the position of the divorced 205 to be centered and have equal length driveshafts front/rear.

too bad there isnt a way to use the front output of the 241 like a pto, that would be pretty slick to use the front output. I guess technically you could twin stick a ford 205 (driver drop) and then a divorced behind it, then you would have front only and could drive something else off of the ford 205 front output. But then you could just use the pto on the 205. But maybe the front output on the 205, would allow for more flexibility/versatility?

I see you have the same weird way of thinking like me. I have thought of the Ford 205 as well and also of removing the chain in the 241 so as to make less parasitic drag.
It has been suggested I am making this way more complicated than it needs to be considering the somewhat reasonable cost of an eco-box but 241 ds drops are cheap and plentiful and I found a decent deal on a divorced 205. Not only that but thinking outside of the box is one of the things that makes being a gear head fun/challenging.
 
It is impossible to factor every(little)thing in to a custom setup, but let's try.

For simplicity, I am not going to care about what else is going on, i.e. engine/trans/axles etc.

Eco box vs 241+ divorced 205

Either way you need a 241 and a 205.
Either way you need drive shafts made or modded.
Either way you need a one off crossmember(s) to match your chassis.
Either way you need custom shifters.

Eco box way saves length, has more exhaust routing options, simplifies crossmember design, should be stronger overall.

241+ divorced 205 saves cost of eco box, allows (potentially) for equal length driveshafts. Seems like it would be harder to set up, but easier to fix later. Requires a 3rd shaft between the 2 cases.

So end goal is the question. I'm not necessarily convinced one way is cheaper, or better. I would think that the 3rd shaft of the divorced setup would be weaker than a married arrangement. Sending low range power through ujoints into another gear reduction unit seems like that would be the obvious fail point. Maybe having the ujoints there would act as a fuse. Maybe a good thing.
 
I'll just throw this one in here too. I ran into a guy from Steamboat at the Napa in Moab about 4 yrs ago. He had a K5 with a really nice turbo'd 6.2 all pretty looking. He was running dual sm465 transmissions. I believe he had bigger input shaft in both from a medium duty dumptruck. And he built a plate steel adapter box to bolt them together and cut down the rear trans input and adapted it to the front trans output. Not sure how all the gearing worked together and the rear driveshaft was so short the u-joints were pretty much maxed out at ride height. Anyways anything is possible. I always count my labor as free so an idea like yours looks pretty good.
 

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