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2015.06.22 - UPDATE! - VORTEXES OF SPEED..!!!!!

The parts arrived (mostly) for my one-off header build project at the end of last week, so on Father's Day I got the chance to spend some hours in the garage to start learning a new skill. :waytogo:

Here is the pile of parts that arrived from Cone Engineering.

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That's a 1-7/8" mild-steel "builders kit" that I'm using to build my pseudo-icengineworks header LEGO set.

Here is the plan, based on previous advice in this thread. I drew up the collectors for each side of the engine and tried to come up with the best plan for placement of each exhaust tube so that the "sequence" and exhaust flow would be circular and would swirl in a really cool way out the back of the truck! :haha:


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As you can see from the drawing I have planned the passenger side exhaust to move in a clockwise-motion (from the engine) and the driver side is set up as a mirror-image (counterclockwise) of that. From the back of the truck, the vortexes will exit the exhaust and then curl around from the outside of the truck in toward the center.....just like you see in those cool photos of fighter planes taking off or landing. :D:whistle:

Anyway.... each of the collector diagrams has the same pattern for the exhaust, the only difference is that each one is rotated 90-degrees from the previous one so that I can plan-out where the longest and shortest tubes will end up. I don't plan on making this a true "equal length" header since that's a huge time commitment, and the minimal HP/TQ gains just aren't worth the effort. However, I will try to sweep #7 and #8 forward a bit before sending them to the collector so that their lengths are more closely matched to the other tubes.

Here is the tool that is used for marking the tube for angled cuts.... only $25. Can't go wrong with that! It's got a faint set of markings at 5 degree increments so that you can drop in a U-bend and then mark-out a 10* or 20* (or whatever) bend accurately... then cut it out.


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I started off cutting a few segments at 10* and making the first pieces of my LEGO kit, added a small sleeve inside so that they could be attached to each other and rotated to any position I needed. Later on, I decided that 10* was probably a waste of time and started making them at 20* instead... which is still allows for some pretty tight turns and tranistions.

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As with all of my projects (especially when learning something new) the progress was slow... but by the end of the night I had actually managed to build about 1/2 of the #8 exhaust port, which as far as I can tell is the hardest one to do. It's the deepest to the firewall and has to bend around the engine cradle support bar, so I figured if I could get that one figured out, the rest would seem simple by comparison.

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One thing I learned in a hurry is that building a complete LEGO kit (which usually has around 300 pieces) is going to take a ridiculous amount of time. So I'll probably spend another 8-10 hours making segments, and then see how far I can get with my passenger side design. Once I get something I like, I need to order up the 304 stainless tubing and start cutting it to length.

QUESTION: Does anyone know how critical it is to keep the cutting, and sanding tools separate when jumping between mild-steel and stainless? I know that aluminum and steel is an obvious example of two metals that each need their own tools to prevent cross-contamination, but I'm not sure if the effect is similar between mild-steel and stainless. :dunno:



-G
 
Tubular dude! :D

It's looking good, I guess you are right, you will get some practice building the headers twice. ha ha

As for the cross contamination, I don't think it's a big problem, because stainless is mostly iron anyway, with some nickel added to it to make it stainless. Chromium as well but some steel has chromium too.
 
I've never had any issue welding stainless after using a tool that sanded steel.

You'll also notice improved acceration as the the exhaust vortexs exit they'll create a spinning postive pressure system behind you cleaning the air coming around the truck and making the truck more "slippery". Or You can add some fuel injectors and be on your way to a jet engine!

As far as equal lengths, I typically don't have the room and people bring me stuff that others say nothing will work. With that said I usually just take a mental note of how many u bends I use. It's usually pretty close.
 
I usually just take a mental note of how many u bends I use. It's usually pretty close.

That's a cool, simple trick....Ima steal that. :waytogo:

I couldn't think of a good way to measure the tube centerlines, blah, blah, blah... and was making it more complicated than it needed to be. Keeping track of segments is easy, and like you said it will get you in the right ballpark with minimal effort.


-G
 
that is why I brought it up, Its never my first concern, but it doesn't hurt to keep track and atleast get them close.
 
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Greg,

Still trying to figure out your plan. You're cutting up steel tube to make a mockup set of headers and then once you get the design figured out, do the exact same thing with stainless tube? i.e. Just trying to make all your mistakes in the cheaper tube?
 
Greg,

Still trying to figure out your plan. You're cutting up steel tube to make a mockup set of headers and then once you get the design figured out, do the exact same thing with stainless tube?



Doesn't sound like you're confused at all. :waytogo:

Yes, that's exactly right.....


There are a few clarifications that probably help explain "why".


  1. I've never done the cutting and fitment of exhaust tubing before, so I needed practice on cheaper material. 304 Stainless is expensive
  2. The "Kit" pieces that I'm building will speed up the modeling process (and revisions) so instead of trying to go straight to the final product I can experiment with different designs for free.
  3. Transferring the mild-steel model to stainless should be very simple since I'll have a detailed cut-sheet with all the angles, rotations and lengths
  4. There is something REALLY fun about twisting those small turns and watching how it affects the positioning at the end of the tube. :waytogo:

Each segment has it's own influence over the part, and each one moves the entire runner differently in 3D-space. It's fascinating to think that once I have my "landing spot" locked down (ie. The 4-tube collector) with the right set of curved & straight pieces I will be able to land each tube perfectly (and squarely) into that location.

I've always been in awe of well-rendered exhaust headers... it's practically an art form to me. In fact, I had a set of VERY expensive 304 Stainless headers hanging on the wall of my office for about 2 years just so that I could look at them.

No, I'm not joking:

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:bow:
-G
 
QUESTION: Does anyone know how critical it is to keep the cutting, and sanding tools separate when jumping between mild-steel and stainless? I know that aluminum and steel is an obvious example of two metals that each need their own tools to prevent cross-contamination, but I'm not sure if the effect is similar between mild-steel and stainless. :dunno:


-G

Greg-

When I worked at Warn we had a cutting fixture that was used on a metal cutting bandsaw that we used for cutting both SS & mild steel tubes. The fixture had a De-Sta-Co clamp with an aluminum half round that clamped on the tube.

We began getting complaints of rust on our polished SS truck brush guards - the culprit was the shared fixture. The metal chips were falling into the fixture and then getting embedded into the stainless when the SS tubes were clamped. The polishing process helped mask the issue temporarily...

So where there is opportunity for steel to get "jammed" into stainless with shared tools is where I would be careful...
 
Doesn't sound like you're confused at all. :waytogo:

Yes, that's exactly right.....


There are a few clarifications that probably help explain "why".


  1. I've never done the cutting and fitment of exhaust tubing before, so I needed practice on cheaper material. 304 Stainless is expensive
  2. The "Kit" pieces that I'm building will speed up the modeling process (and revisions) so instead of trying to go straight to the final product I can experiment with different designs for free.
  3. Transferring the mild-steel model to stainless should be very simple since I'll have a detailed cut-sheet with all the angles, rotations and lengths
  4. There is something REALLY fun about twisting those small turns and watching how it affects the positioning at the end of the tube. :waytogo:

Each segment has it's own influence over the part, and each one moves the entire runner differently in 3D-space. It's fascinating to think that once I have my "landing spot" locked down (ie. The 4-tube collector) with the right set of curved & straight pieces I will be able to land each tube perfectly (and squarely) into that location.

I've always been in awe of well-rendered exhaust headers... it's practically an art form to me. In fact, I had a set of VERY expensive 304 Stainless headers hanging on the wall of my office for about 2 years just so that I could look at them.

No, I'm not joking:

MBH_Wall_Art.jpg



:bow:
-G

Makes sense. I think the confusing part may be some of those little tube sections look like they could be combined into a larger unwelded section. This may just be personal preference about it looking nicer when the number of individual smaller pieces is kept to a minimum. Not that it doesn't look awesome so far...

Edit: I guess you won't know if some multiple smaller sections can be combined until you get everything packaged in there. That makes using all those small sections a little easier to understand. Makes sense now. Sorry. Carry on!

Also, how thick is that wooden spacer? Looks crazy close to the frame.
 
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Makes sense. I think the confusing part may be some of those little tube sections look like they could be combined into a larger unwelded section. This may just be personal preference about it looking nicer when the number of individual smaller pieces is kept to a minimum. Not that it doesn't look awesome so far...

Also, how thick is that wooden spacer? Looks crazy close to the frame.


That may very well prove to be true... If the "indexes" for the small bends all line up perfectly, then you can swap them out for a single, continuous bend and save a bunch of TIG welding. It's just hard to know in the early modeling stages if that's going to happen or not... Believe me, I'll take fewer weldments if I can simplify the final design! :waytogo:

The wooden spacer is 1/4" thick. Ideally I will be trying for more clearance than that so that they won't bang the frame if the motor mounts flex.

-G
 
Why not take those fancy headers off the wall and bolt them up? You'd save so much time! lol

Also my guess is that a 1/4" space won't be enough with a torquy big block while flexed out.
 
Why not take those fancy headers off the wall and bolt them up? You'd save so much time! lol

Also my guess is that a 1/4" space won't be enough with a torquy big block while flexed out.

Glenn,


Those "wall art" headers are long gone... sold for pennies-on-the-dollar with the AMG that they were built for. :frown1:

As for your comment about clearances....keep in mind that when I post up my updates, I'm giving you all a look "behind the scenes" at the current status of the build, and things are constantly changing and evolving. Besides, when was the last time I built something for my truck and didn't change it at LEAST three more times!!! :haha:

It's pretty unlikely that my #8 tube is going to be that close to the frame in another day or two...and I expect that it is also going to sweep more toward the front of the engine and get substantially longer.

Sometimes you can't take my updates too literally... things are always in flux, and changes are inevitable. :waytogo:


-G
 
Get your first tube close and start running the rest, see what you have to work with and adjust each from there. 4 2" tubes fills up spaces in a hurry..

I love building headers. certain amount of freedom I guess that makes them fun. Until you tack them all together and you can't take it out of the car.... Then the freedom fun sucks and I hate eveything.
 
I love building headers. certain amount of freedom I guess that makes them fun. Until you tack them all together and you can't take it out of the car.... Then the freedom fun sucks and I hate eveything.

:haha:

I imagine it's pretty easy to do that too!
 
Glenn,


Those "wall art" headers are long gone... sold for pennies-on-the-dollar with the AMG that they were built for. :frown1:

As for your comment about clearances....keep in mind that when I post up my updates, I'm giving you all a look "behind the scenes" at the current status of the build, and things are constantly changing and evolving. Besides, when was the last time I built something for my truck and didn't change it at LEAST three more times!!! :haha:

It's pretty unlikely that my #8 tube is going to be that close to the frame in another day or two...and I expect that it is also going to sweep more toward the front of the engine and get substantially longer.

Sometimes you can't take my updates too literally... things are always in flux, and changes are inevitable. :waytogo:


-G

Wait you sold the AMG???
 

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