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'72 K5 - Greg's @MightAsWellK5 Build

This is the build description. I will improve this later. (GB)
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Just throwing this out there. There are a bit of aftermarket tire pressure monitoring systems out for sale. One could go with the same style as OEM with the sensor as part of the valve stem or one that the sensors are the actual valve stem cap. One would just have to figure a way to grab that data from the receiver as an input to the controller.

https://www.amazon.com/CARCHET-Pres...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=8Q5GMHWHWQPZ717NYKHZ

That's just one example. I like the brainstorming going on though. I think it's a really cool idea.

What's the idea for the air getting from the stationary axle to the spinning wheel? I've seen the basic side of the Mil-spec Humvee but never saw the working end of the device that fed the air to the spinning wheel.
 
Deuling said:
Somebody said blue tooth for airing up tires, and I cant take it anymore.

Get this mother focker done and go drive it and do blue tooth and button head fasteners later when you are bored.
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blazinzuk said:
Simplify. That is all.

All I hear is failure point oh you know it would be cool to add another failure point and control it with a failure point.
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Deuling said:
Somebody said blue tooth for airing up tires, and I cant take it anymore.
Get this mother focker done and go drive it and do blue tooth and button head fasteners later when you are bored.
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bp71k5 said:
I know what you mean. Everyone knows Bluetooth is crazy talk. Wifi connection would be way more reliable without all the "pairing" hassle.
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Everyone needs to calm down.... :haha:

The whole point of brainstorming is to gather as many ideas as possible without trying to judge their merits during the process.... after you've accumulated all of the feedback, you go through and see what makes the most sense and discard the craziest / impractical suggestions.

Even crazy ideas can be helpful because they get you to consider things in a different way and inject some fresh thinking into the mix.

Ultimately, NO....I will not use ANY wireless technology for the CTIS. I find WiFi and Bluetooth to be infuriating technologies of "last resort" when a wire can't be connected between devices. There are plenty of ways to gather pressure data directly from either an air line, or simple sensor somewhere under the truck...there is no need to "broadcast" tire pressure data directly from the wheels themselves, as I can get that same data from anywhere else on the downstream air lines.

If anything, the system should be configured to run on ARCNet.... it would have been considered "state of the art" in the 70's and therefore would be more period correct!!! :haha:


-G
 
Sounds good! Sean is down in Jamaica now.... maybe show up there and surprise him and Ashley! Lol


-G
 
Greg72 said:
If anything, the system should be configured to run on ARCNet.... it would have been considered "state of the art" in the 70's and therefore would be more period correct!!! :haha:
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If you put S-100 slots on your truck I will end you. :deal:

-- A
 
2017.03.13 - UPDATE! 37LB WEIGHT LOSS....!!!


It's definitely getting old.... this winter and snow thing. :)

The tease of 60-degree weather a few days back is probably what makes it worse. We had some bitter cold weather over the weekend, and a couple inches of fresh snow over what WAS completely clear roads and grassy lawns. Tomorrow we are supposed to get clobbered with another 16 inches and at least another week of cold temps. Hopefully, that will be the final batch of cold weather around here and the temps will slowly begin to climb and melt away winter and make way for rolled-up garage doors and springtime build threads!!! :waytogo:

In the meantime, work continues in a rather slow slogging pace. But anything that gets accomplished NOW is one less thing to deal with when the weather improves.... so onward, and upward!!

These days, it's all about getting the convoluted cage plates into position and all the through-holes drilled properly. As of last night 6 of the 12-positions are completely bolted down, with 4 more marked and ready for drilling and bolts.
It's getting closer and closer.

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The amount of weight being added to this floor is not trivial and it's been bugging me for a while. After a few quick calcs, the answer was more obvious... the total weight of 12 pairs of 1/2" thick steel (6" x 6") plates is 92 Lbs!!! :yikes:

It's also becoming obvious that there really isn't any value is making the convoluted plate WAY larger than the (4" x 4.25") cage foot itself. It's just adding a lot of extra weight and making everything look more "clunky" than I was hoping for... so it was decided that the plates will be trimmed down to more reasonable dimensions at each of the 12 mounting positions which will cut the weight from about 7.5Lbs (per plate pair) to 4.5Lbs.... for a total weight reduction of 37Lbs....!!! The end-result will look nicer, and the reduction of unnecessary weight will be a welcome fix also.

For now, the plates are all going in at full-size for simplicity.... and once they are all figured out and precisely installed, they will get marked, removed, cut and edge-finished.... then dropped back into place for final welding.

It's going to be nice to have this floor fully-prepped, and ready to go.... I can already imagine how tempting it's going to feel to get the bedfloor dropped into place on the truck once the sun is shining.... and once the bedfloor goes on.... the rear quarterpanels can be rehung, and the whole truck starts to look a whole lot like a "truck" again. And THAT will really start to fire up the motivation heading into the spring and summer months!!!


-G
 
and once the bedfloor goes on.... the rear quarterpanels can be rehung, and the whole truck starts to look a whole lot like a "truck" again.
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can't wait!

It's funny how just hanging a few panels can look and feel like a whole ton of progress. I guess to a certain extent it kinda is, in that it represents that you finished all the hundreds of little tasks that went on underneath.
 
And now I know the answer to the question "how does adding 55 lbs reduce weight by 37 lbs?" then something didn't look right....

I went back and did maths... an aside, I hate maths.... 12x7.5 = 90 lbs, or less since it was "about" 7.5 lbs. I figured maybe you rounded up like I do with my weight loss... and I was right. 4.5x12=60 lbs for a net weight 'loss' of 30 lbs.... or, in my weight-loss parlance.... I've lost 50 lbs (rounding up). So really, since it's steel and we all know steel is heavier then fat - you lost 100 lbs, you best anchor your rig to the ground or it'll float away soon :)

I would have been the kid that pointed out the king was naked, so this really isn't out-of-the-ordinary for me... sorry?
 
superbuickguy said:
And now I know the answer to the question "how does adding 55 lbs reduce weight by 37 lbs?" then something didn't look right....

I went back and did maths... an aside, I hate maths.... 12x7.5 = 90 lbs, or less since it was "about" 7.5 lbs. I figured maybe you rounded up like I do with my weight loss... and I was right. 4.5x12=60 lbs for a net weight 'loss' of 30 lbs.... or, in my weight-loss parlance.... I've lost 50 lbs (rounding up). So really, since it's steel and we all know steel is heavier then fat - you lost 100 lbs, you best anchor your rig to the ground or it'll float away soon :)

I would have been the kid that pointed out the king was naked, so this really isn't out-of-the-ordinary for me... sorry?
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Despite my notoriety for co-authoring the 4-Link Calculator, I am not what anyone would call a "strong math student"... :haha:

I use .XLS extensively as a way to double-check my own sloppy math so that I don't make expensive mistakes along the way.

If you really want to understand the backstory it goes something like this:

All original convoluted cageplates were cut from 1/2" thick steel, into 6" x 6" squares, and were machined with 1/4" slots to follow the floor profile. When you interlock a "pair" of plates, you get a total thickness of .750" per set
Stack up all 12 sets into a nice neat pile and it sits 9" high, 6" wide and 6" deep... or 324 cu in. Throwing that into an online materials calculator for steel gave me 92 Lbs.

Cutting the plates down to a smaller footprint (4.5" x 4.75") with the same thicknes as before yields 192 cu in.... for a total weight of 55 Lbs.

The difference being the 37Lbs that was originally referenced......


What probably threw you off was that I took some liberties in decribing the "per plate pair".... the actual weight for the original plates is 7.66667 Lbs, and the new plates weigh in at 4.583333 Lbs. :waytogo: (I should probably also remove the weight of the four 1/2" diameter holes per plate, but it felt "close enough" for purposes of this thread)

Yes, I created an Excel spreadsheet for the maths. I don't trust myself enough, usually not even with a simple calculator.



-G
 
Greg72 said:
Despite my notoriety for co-authoring the 4-Link Calculator, I am not what anyone would call a "strong math student"... :haha:

-G
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Oh that's funny in a way you can't even imagine. So I don't get along with Pirate (which is hyperbole and similar in context to saying Hitler didn't like Jews only I think I dislike Pirate more) - and after the first 2 pages of the start of my '40 build (it goes on for another 40 plus pages that could be summed up to "we hate everything about you and your choice of life partners") one of the moderators told me that I didn't know what I was talking about because he knew you.... :rotfl: - but he also said that my experience in land speed racing, racing Corvettes and even off-road doesn't apply to 4 wheeling (gravity is, apparently, different where he lives) so there is reason to doubt the veracity of the first statement.
I'll be chortling about this for a day or two - thank you flagwaver
 
Ironically, I was banned from Pirate4x4 for many years..... and it took a major amount of effort by one of the moderators to reverse the ban that had been applied.

Not sure what moderator was name-dropping about me, since I have only made 463 posts there in 15 years. :dunno:

For the most part, I'm invisible there and nobody even knows my name or what my original involvement was with the 4-link Calculator.



-G
 
82355 said:
Haha, how did you get banned from there?

Martin
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I can't remember the exact details, but I think it was some kind of forum war between CK5 and P4x4 in the early 2000's..... SeaBass just ended up group-banning a TON of people.

Basically, I recall that anyone that had posted in the thread was perma-banned.

My memory of the exact circumstances is fuzzy all these years later, but I do recall thinking it was a ridiculous overreaction.


-G
 
Pirate 4x4 started before the internet and I know most of the people who started it. I was part of the club that maintained the Rubicon trail. Guys from San Francisco wanted to run the trail but the club was...how do we say... the trail 'guardians' were not terribly welcoming. I thought it was bs, but the powers-that-be weren't changing and I kept my mouth pretty shut (you'll find this amazing the more you get to know me) mostly because I liked running the trail. Things came to a head, and eventually the ones that thought they owned the trail were out on their collective tails. By then, I'd moved away from Reno and only maintained contact with one of the people from there - strangely, someone who's also part of the first group on Pirate.

Pirate was the name of people who ran the trail without the club stamp of approval. I rarely went on there, and there was some guilt-by-association with the original guy who did the poison spider crawler (and was also part of the original pirates of the rubicon). What's funny in that, is I never met the guy.... but that seemed to be the flavor of Pirate - that they fought the "in" crowd then became their own "in" crowd... needless to say, I've always had a chip on my shoulder because of the early stuff so I'm not terribly charitable and wasn't when I went to build my '40.... something about a 20something telling me that I don't know what I'm doing really doesn't fly with me... anyway, when I cuss - they're my cuss word. It wasn't a founder of Pirate that was my moderator problem - in fact, one of the ones who started it I think politicked on my behalf and kept me from being banned - rather it is one of the moderators who is sponsored by Pirate that was my problem. He was ringleader of the crap, and as he was in the position to cool them off - I fully blame him for allowing it to continue. When the hack happened, because the email associated with the screenname was really, really old (think netscape) - I never did the 'fix it' and took it as a sign to be shut of an annoyance in my life. To be blunt, if I saw any of them broken beside the trail - I'd leave them - and that's quite something for me as I do SAR and have rescued some pretty unsavory people. I don't like exclusive clubs - and I'm old enough to no longer care enough to 'make' people like me, so Pirate remains a negative by-word to me.... what's kind of funny is that moderator is now posting on another forum claiming it's too boring in Pirate... I simply ignore him because every post he does in the other forum is the admission that I'm right (that and his rig is a boring, hacked-together POS)....

longwinded, but the tl;dr is I don't like them and the 100k views (or more) that my builds garner goes to far more worthy forums. The comment on your forum about not tolerating personal attacks was probably the biggest motivator for me to join... I do this for fun, when it's not fun it's called work and I avoid work ;)
 
Greg72 said:
I can't remember the exact details, but I think it was some kind of forum war between CK5 and P4x4 in the early 2000's..... SeaBass just ended up group-banning a TON of people.

Basically, I recall that anyone that had posted in the thread was perma-banned.

My memory of the exact circumstances is fuzzy all these years later, but I do recall thinking it was a ridiculous overreaction.


-G
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Was that why I got banned from there? Meh


Nice side track, Mr moderator.


Where's my 100 PPP?
 
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