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'86 K30 Crew Cab Build

I think this is the last iteration. I'm itching to get off the computer and build this thing.

Current plan is to mount the winch feet forward on a Z shaped bent 3/8" plate. Frame mounts are 1/4". I modeled it first at 1/4" thickness, a single pull at a full 12K lbs will permanently distort it. This same design in 3/8" plate will survive many full load pulls. The frame horns might not, but the winch mount will. The center portion is 5" proud of the lower grill trim piece, roughly 3.5" past the frame horns. I think just enough to comfortably stand on. This should fit a truck with no body lift and trimmed fangs, but the winch clutch handle would need to be modified or clocked to the back. With a 1" body lift it will fit unmodified. The side "wings" stick out 2.5" proud of the front fenders.

I'm ignoring/assuming that the bumper skin will do nothing to help the cradle support the winching loads in the modeling, in actuality it will a little. The whole assembly weighs roughly 90 lbs without the winch.

Here's the winch cradle, front view:
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Rear view:
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The bumper is going to be a lighter gauge shell (3/16" I think) that attaches to the cradle with bolts top and bottom. The ends/corners will brace back to the frame in the factory locations.

Here's how the skin mates with the winch cradle:
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Here's the FEA of the cradle made from .250" steel with a 12K load. All that red is no bueno. It will yield/deform in those areas the very first full strength pull.
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Here's the 3/8" version with the same loading conditions:
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small hot spots on the top in those inside corners, I will gusset/ radius them in to alleviate that.

Here's the stress distribution with a 12K lb load.
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Here's the deformation projection, exaggerated 53X so you can see what it is doing: The red color corresponds to a deflection of .050" but it should spring back to the original shape.
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Here's a view of the deformation from the side:
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I neglected to save any good pics of the bumper skin, I'll post a few up tomorrow.

Going to send these pieces out for quotes, I'll let you know what it costs me to build one. Still willing to order quantities if anyone wants to save a few bucks on a winch bumper. PM me for a set of drawings if you want them.

Thoughts? What am I missing?
 
I think you might be the only person I have ever seen post up an FEA.

But I have seen really similar mounts done up like yours in 1/4" that remained perfect. Mine doesn't have near that structure. Has never deformed
 
@blazinzuk that setup looks nice Eric. Your fab work always looks so clean. Welding that big tube between the frame rails would be a great way to beef your frame/mount. I would do it that way too if I was building something cool like Horton.

One thing to point out is that I simplified the FEA model to make it quicker and easier to process, these results are only approximate, but they are reasonably close. I don't know how realistic it would be to really pull 12k lbs on one of these anyways, maybe several trucks buried in the mud or really wedged into a rock pile somewhere. You could drag it across a parking lot or up straight up into a tree with way less pull. The frame rails and/or attachment points are almost certainly the limiting factor for strength anyways.

I'm mostly just playing around with this for fun, but I want something that is going to hold up to at least what the winch is rated to do.
 
I like the look of it! How do you get to the mounting bolts for the winch? I don't believe that I understand.
And I used to think that tucking it super tight to the body was the way, but now I like the idea of a place to step, or place a knee...
 
I like the look of it! How do you get to the mounting bolts for the winch? I don't believe that I understand.
And I used to think that tucking it super tight to the body was the way, but now I like the idea of a place to step, or place a knee...
Thanks, i'm pretty happy with it too.

You put the cradle on first, bolt the winch in, then bolt the bumper shell on the front of the whole thing.

I like the look of them nice and tight to the front of the truck too, I'm hoping this will be a good compromise. It will be a little more stick out that a factory bumper, but different. It is nice to be able to climb/stand on them.
 
I really like how that's turning out. So the wings will basically follow the cut line most people use to de-fang the front and end up at the front edge of the wheel well right? I'd be down to help you get a group order started but I'm betting shipping it to CA would get expensive fast...
 
I really like how that's turning out. So the wings will basically follow the cut line most people use to de-fang the front and end up at the front edge of the wheel well right? I'd be down to help you get a group order started but I'm betting shipping it to CA would get expensive fast...

Yes I'm planning for the wings to run parallel to the fender, they stick out 2.5" proud of the fender. I'm going to de-fang my fenders, but i left 1/2" clearance between the inside of the wing and the fender surface so maybe it could fit without the trim but it would be tight.
 
Looks good. I like the idea of the outer cover separate from the main winch mount, that way if you hit something or damage it then it can just be replaced separately. FYI, at work we run the Warn 12K winch on all the F550/Ram 5500 bucket trucks that weigh like 18-20K and the lineman like to get them buried and then just pull as hard as possible with a single line pull. Those Transformer mounts are way less beefy than this will be and I've never seen one fail. Those winches can take some serious abuse also. I've even seen them pull out stuck 60,000 lb line trucks on a single line pull.
 
Good to hear Luke, nice to hear positive experiences with similar setups. 60K lb truck stuck in the mud is no joke, that is a hell of a test for any winch. I'm sure this mount will survive anything I do with it. I'd happily trade the HF in for a WARN, maybe if this one craps out on me.
 
Good to hear Luke, nice to hear positive experiences with similar setups. 60K lb truck stuck in the mud is no joke, that is a hell of a test for any winch. I'm sure this mount will survive anything I do with it. I'd happily trade the HF in for a WARN, maybe if this one craps out on me.
I did read a winch torture test once where they royally abused a bunch of winches and I believe the HF one actually kicked some ass!
 
In any case gonna be an awesome bumper.

Hey Lane wanna drive up here on Jan 1st. We going snow wheeling
 
I just might, That sounds fun. I need to come get that NV4500. Are you around this weekend?
 
My drivers side door hinge bushings were toast, it has slowly getting worse, decided to replace them today. Getting the old pins out was not much fun. Doesn't help that my door is slightly "custom fit" near the hinges. I ended up cutting them with a tiny cut off wheel in the dremmel, OK about 20 tiny cut off wheels, those things are fragile.

My big mirrors get smacked on stuff way too often and have beat the hell out of my doors. I'm going to switch them to a smaller pair i acquired somewhere and have been saving.

My garage is way too small, but it is better than in the driveway or gravel pad in the snow.

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wish I could fit my truck in the garage...
gotta check now that I don't have 12" leafs anymore.. but 6" that sank to 5"

tires under it - yup too high
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had to
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lol
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