87 K5 Build...Hmmm, whats that Ryoken up to? stay tuned...

[ryoken]

Is this the Oprah forum now?

I post there also and this is very similar

Couldn't resist could ya?

I left your little thread alone, and cut you slack last time... even after your gay little tags.. And since I can't PM you...

You wanna E-war with me you little sh*t, bring it, I've debated and beat down far smarter than you... anybody defending your disrespectful punkass is on my chitlist... I'm sure you'll get your ass kicked a few times in life because of your disrespectful bs, but then again, thats how your internet tough guy generation is.. gauranteed you wouldn't say sh*t to my face... I don't give a crap if I get banned and this thread is deleted, I'm not gonna put up with your punkass... I was building hotrods when you where goo in daddys sack...

why are you even reading my build if it's such "kindergarden fab"? You make Dirtwarrior look like an angel of a teenager.... You should be proud...

 

[trikstark5]

Temper, temper ryoken.....

 

[ryoken]

ah, fock that, I put up with his punk attitude last time.... I can play that game too...

If he worked for me, I'd fire him then kick his arse.... I gotta deal with million dollar asshats all day, I'm certainly not gonna put up with some 19 yr old little sh*t on the intraweb...

Rene, feel free to ban me and delete the thread....

 

[76zimmer]

Ban the little fooker....we don't need this **** in the Garage.

Hang tough Paul...take a deep breath and then go balistic on his ass.

 

[ryoken]

ah, thanks bro, and I apologize to everyone else.. I come home bloody every day, I don't need his bs after that chit... even if it is just the "intraweb", its just an excuse to be an arse for some...

I woulda done that it in a PM but...

 

[howdiy]

ah, fock that, I put up with his punk attitude last time.... I can play that game too...

If he worked for me, I'd fire him then kick his arse.... I gotta deal with million dollar asshats all day, I'm certainly not gonna put up with some 19 yr old little sh*t on the intraweb...

Rene, feel free to ban me and delete the thread....

I'm 18

 

[dfl701]

I'm 18

i dont think i would have posted after that. this thread has more information then i know what to do with.

Ryoken your fab skills are amazing!!!

 

[original balzer]

Paul I have to ask How the hell do you have the body supported in the air? I mean I understand NOW that you have some of the supports in, but somewhere you had to have everything cut out right? I missed how you held the rest of the body up.

AWESOME work as usual. I also dont understand why nobody else has done a complete floor the way your doing it.

One final question. With such a solid and beefy floor do you have any concerns about frame flex and what it may do to the body further up?
The floor will be beef but will it stress the body in other areas or just act as a solid foundation?

Technically that was 2 final questions forgive me.

 

[K10 KRAWLER]

wow, the floor looks great so far! maybe it could be a future project for the cab of my truck this winter, I like it.

I only have one question, I read that you were going to fab up a tunnel on the front support but why did you stop the rear support at the body mounts? should it be the other way around or am i looking at things backwards?

 

[ryoken]

Paul I have to ask How the hell do you have the body supported in the air? I mean I understand NOW that you have some of the supports in, but somewhere you had to have everything cut out right? I missed how you held the rest of the body up.

AWESOME work as usual. I also dont understand why nobody else has done a complete floor the way your doing it.

One final question. With such a solid and beefy floor do you have any concerns about frame flex and what it may do to the body further up?
The floor will be beef but will it stress the body in other areas or just act as a solid foundation?

Technically that was 2 final questions forgive me.

awesome questions!


And the reason being is that I never explained how I did that...

first thing was, I did it one at a time, first the rear support, then the front... what I did when I cut the back one out was, measured for factory body height/position to know where the cab needed to be in the end.. then I took, lets call it a sawhorse, something very similar to the 2 I built for holding the truck up, and set that in the cab, on the 2 frame rails, at the back of the roofline.. where the domelight cutout is... then a couple of bottlejacks with foot long 2 x 4's on top from the sawhorse up to 2 equal spots on the roof side to side.. jack it up, take the weight off the rear 2 mounts... hack out all the old stuff, trim it up, fit the support in... then drop the cab back down on the new support...

effectively, I did the front the same way once the back was in, by jacking up the firewall from the lower lip... in one of the pics, you can see a jackstand in front of the firewall..

basically, the cab can sustain it's integrity with just the front 2 supports and the rear one.. the entire rest of the floor is gone...

as for part 2...... no, I'm really not concerned.. between this project, the cage tie-ins, the front bumper/x-member and the shock tower assembly and trans x-member I'm gonna do, I'm hopeful to have really stiffened the frame up...

and in all honesty, even if I left all that other stuff stock, I still wouldn't be concerned.. This is just a much more stable platform for the cab, and trust me, it's way stronger over at those A and B posts than the factory sheetmetal floor/support attachment was..

awesome questions bro.....

 

[ryoken]

I only have one question, I read that you were going to fab up a tunnel on the front support but why did you stop the rear support at the body mounts? should it be the other way around or am i looking at things backwards?

I'm not 100% I understand the question, but let me see if some of this answers ya..

those front 2 supports are effectively exact replacements for the factory stamped stuff.. if you look at a stock truck, thats where they end.. obviously because a full, side to side support up there wouldn't work due to the bellhousing..

the back, 1 piece support, is effectively an exact replacement for the factory one too.. the only difference being, the factory support has a very small "clearance hump" in the middle for the drivetrain.. on the factory setup this also gives you a slight trans tunnel hump all the way back to where the floor comes up for the cargo area.. (i'll take some pics this weekend)

thats why earlier, I mentioned in passing about having to maybe build a bevel cut, hump in that 2 x 4 I put in... honestly, I dont know if I'll need it... with the bodylift I'm not sure I'll need the room.. thats why, once I bend up the cage, and am ready to do the floor/tunnel, I'll mock up the drivetrain in there to check clearances and determine tunnel needs..

tho it may seem totally backwards, I'm doing the cage before the floor.. this way I can leave all the "feet", flanges of the cage a little long, tack the main tubes in, then lower the whole thing a fair amount to do all the upper welding.. put it back up in position, then cut, fit up the flange areas as I do the floor..

I have an idea for the center console that I think would be totally sick that I've never seen done, but I'm not sure exactly how and if I'm gonna take that route... once the cage is in, and the floor/tunnel is underway, I'll know, how and if I'm gonna do it.. I think you guys might like it, but for now, it's a build secret.

 

[lectric80]

I think you guys might like it, but for now, it's a build secret.

Now that's just plain mean.

 

[original balzer]

OK i see it here in this pic now. AND it brings up another question.
Is the front cage leg going to land on this body support? Or are you goingto kick the leg forward and angle another piece of rectangle tube off that support and end it at the firewall. then tie the cage mount into that?

I may have to do some "drawerin" to this pic to explain what I mean

OH I wanted to ask what you planed to use for the floor too? 16g diamond plate? That would be cool and plenty stout.

Edit nevermind what I was trying to explain before. It doesnt really serve a purpose to do it the way I had in my head now that I look at it again.

 

[ryoken]

nah, nah, you brought up a good one, that I'm not sure I have the answer to yet...

I'm still a little up in the air on the cage flange position.. originally, and what I'm leaning toward is putting the flange at the beginning of the angle up.. think Rene had his there..

reason #1 being the door access/foot room thing.... I REALLY want it thru the dash, and am committed to that.. I just think it's a tricker way than down in front of dashpad...

the con to putting it on the angle is if I do, it'll just be a staked cage flange.. I wont be tieing that to the frame.. upper shackle hanger is right there... not that I'm concerned, I'm certain of 2 already that'll be tied in, and possibly the rear center of the B-pillar area..

I did think of this when I put that front support in.. if I'm going to mount it to the support, the easiest solution at this point would be to tap that support.. at 1/8 thick it's not an ideal situation.. it'd hold fine, but when really tested, they'd probably rip out.. hopefully that day never comes... in other words, when I was capping the support, I thought "should I be welding nuts behind holes in there right now?"

and honestly, it would be a pretty bulletproof mounting for the cage in conjunction with the frame tie-ins I am definitely doing.... not quite as good as a frame tie-in in front of the support, but damn good, certainly better than a backing plate and sheetmetal... but I didn't want to commit myself to running the tube to that spot.. actually, thinking about it now.. I could have done 4 holes with welded nuts, then made the final decision when I lay the floor.. don't want/need them, just cover em up.. ah, it woulda just been more work last weekend..

so, after all that, I'm back to putting em on the angle, staked cage flange, right in front of the support...

anyway, that leads to your second question, floor material.. the floor is 10 gauge smooth... same as the back...

but speaking of diamond plate, I have a customer who offered to bring me all kinds of scrap aluminum dp that he gets.... cool, I'll take random hunks of that.. future projects and all.. actually I don't foresee much, if any use for diamond plate.. maybe some sort of small thing or something, but the majority of stuff is/was/will be the black composite.. rear panels, lower doors, console, overhead, plus the stuff I've done already...

wow, sorry, you guys can wake up now!!

 

[ryoken]

oh, couple other musings to all that...

I'm trying to keep that lower part of the tube vertical off of the flange, as it goes thru the dash... that flat, support corner would bring the tube thru the sheetmetal at the lower dash.. I can make that work, but if I keep it back on the angle, I can go vertical very easy...

I also have the option if I change my mind, and go to the flat, that I COULD thru-bolt the flange thru the support... I'll figure this all out on the very next tube bends.. those are next, A-pillars...

anyone wanna take a shot at guessing the console idea?

 

[K10 KRAWLER]

anyone wanna take a shot at guessing the console idea?

A fridge?

 

[ryoken]

wow, cool, but no... I could... I build custom freezers out of the composite for the boats fairly frequently...

It's more of a structural, appearance kinda thing..

I will say that it will be all cable shifters, AC, twin stick and e-brake..

and I had contemplated a computer at one point, but lately I'm thinking just the Megasquirt stuff.. I'm definitely putting in their touch screen LCD.. the sloping up forward section will have a designated spot for it.. even tho I wont be running it right away...

heres the LCD for those that haven't seen it...

and a couple vids of it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EkDlF02Wyk


this one shows the different screens..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAIJpcUOCSs

the megasquirt will be done once the truck is back out on the street, when I do the 383.. phase 2


hint....

the top and 2 sides of the console will be black composite...

 

[BGKYK5]

Flow through center console? From the dash sloping down, then horizontal at thigh height to behind the front seats? If so you are stealing my idea.



...not that I'll ever get that far....

 

[Seafarer76]

You could always run a LCD touchpanel connected to a CarPC running Linux on a SSD. Then you could run Megatunix to get additional gauges and tune when needed.

 

[ryoken]

Flow through center console? From the dash sloping down, then horizontal at thigh height to behind the front seats?

late model style? well, yeah, I thought everyone knew that, I've been talking about that for a bit... trickiest part of that is coming out/under cleanly from the factory dash with all the funky angles happening there..

nah, its not that... it's in how thats being done...








alright, enough teasing..... I'll spill..

originally when I first decided I wanted to do a late model style, ala prerunner kinda stuff... with these kinda lines...

I was originally going to do it all from the black composite..... but over the last couple months I've been toying with the idea of making the top 2 corners that run the length of the console, from 1 1/2" tube.... part of the cage.. using Kerts panel mount tabs to secure the composite top with the shifters, etc, and the 2 sides.. 1/2 way in on the tube... so it's exposed, and the top sits down a bit...

the 2 tubes will come off the triangulated x design for the B-hoop I came up with in the back, run between the seats and up thru the dash. raised armrest and compartment at the back where the seats are high, swoop down to a lower section where the shifters, etc will be, then swooping up and going thru/under the dash in the front where the LCD screen is..

the console will more than likely be a floating style... meaning it wont be attached to the floor, it'll be gapped... the sides'll hang from the tube.. there's a couple things I haven't worked out yet.. one is how and if I'm gonna tie the 2 tubes coming thru the dash into the side A tubes or just do small flanges at the top of the firewall.. another reason I need to dig out that defrost Y and see how and if that'll all work..

I would LOVE to add something that ties the 2 A tubes together somehow, but it must be behind the dash.. once the bulk of the cage is in, I'll figure it out..

the other thing is how, and if, I'm going to frame the lower 2 runs below the top 2 with tube.. to frame the side panels if I determine it wants/needs them..... if I do I'll keep them an inch up or so off the floor.. the other related one is how to make it bolt in and removable if need be.. once again, I have a few ideas, but I need to see it coming together to make those decisions..

I'll play those out on the fly as I do it... should help keep any electronics under the console ventilated too... really until the floor/tunnel are done, it's all just prethinking guesswork till I start fitting things up... need to have my breaker panel and dash out of the attic too for fitting ALL this stuff up..... I'll make it happen!