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'89 R3500 Crew Cab 2wd to 4wd conversion & beyond

Started out with 2wd TBI350 with SM465 to current 4wd with 454, 700r4, NP241
Thanks for the thoughts everyone. Yesterday was the funeral and definitely and day for sadness. Saturday we'll have the celebration of life and I think that will be good for everyone. We had a lot more people than I expected at the funeral and I'm sure more to come Saturday. We have relatives flying all the way from Alaska.

I wasn't ready for a return to the office today. I stayed home and worked through the computer doing email and design stuff. Also took some time to cruise around in the crewcab for the first time in a month. The DIY4x knob is a very comfortable fit in my hand; I like it.

I also logged some data through the ALDL cable B_to_C gifted me quite some time ago. Now I need to do some reading to figure out what the data is telling me.

There is only one thing that can really help right now and that's time. I know you can work through your grief etc. Just make sure Your Mom and kids are okay.

Your logged data probably says that it's an old TBI350 sucking wind in a heavy truck.:whistle: I have long thought that the stock TBI ran to lean myself.
 
Taking a break and a drive is probably a good thing to do. What running software you using for your tbi?
 
There is only one thing that can really help right now and that's time. I know you can work through your grief etc. Just make sure Your Mom and kids are okay.

Your logged data probably says that it's an old TBI350 sucking wind in a heavy truck.:whistle: I have long thought that the stock TBI ran to lean myself.
You I'm not as worried about Mom until next week when all the visiting family has gone home. She's got a lot of guests this week to keep her distracted. Luckily we took care of the driver's license she let expire since Dad always drove. It had been less than a year so we could do an online renewal. But I do worry a lot about her in the months to come.

I think the boys are taking it okay, as much as they really grasp the situation. They have cried a little, at the funeral and the day we told them. It will be interesting to see what kind of questions they may ask about him in the future. I think they will miss having him on the sidelines cheering them on at their different sports.

As far as the truck, I'm hoping to figure what if any of the sensors need replaced. I was also curious if it was going into closed loop, which it did. I don't want to dump a bunch of money into sensors a crap because I'm hoping to do an LS swap down the road. However it'll be a couple of years before that happens so I want to get this thing tip-top.

Taking a break and a drive is probably a good thing to do. What running software you using for your tbi?
TunerPro RT
 
Thats what I used to tune my 454 in the sonoma. I learned a bunch on binderplanet.org on how to log and what to do with that info into your tune then smoothing everything out and doing it all over again to fine tune it. Read the stickies here, very valuable info regarding tbi tuning.
http://www.binderplanet.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=75
 
Thanks. That's the next thing I need to do is to start reading up on this stuff.
 
There is alot to read. If you have questions I can try to answer but I bet there are smarter people on here when it comes to that stuff. I did get a good tune on my 454 and after you get the concept of logging then use winaldl and some hand smoothing its really not that hard.
 
Finally had a weekend back in the shop to work on the truck. I've been wanting to make a grill guard to hopefully keep from busting up the headlight bezels on the trees I'm sure to run into this long old truck.

I made one of my routine pick-n-pull scouting runs and I came across a grill guard just like I've been looking for. I uses flat strap around the perimeter. I like the looks of the grill on this truck so I don't want something that will cover up much of it. The guard I found is made by Luverne and it was on a early 90's Chevy. Looked like this one, but it was black:

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The perimeter piece is made with 1.5" wide, 3/8" thick flat strap.

The curve of the grill guard is too much for the older front ends. Plus it's not quite wide enough. So I cut the center part out where most of the bend was. I trimmed the uprights and welded them to my bumper. The grill guard bolts to the uprights. That way I can remove it for access to the stuff behind the grill.

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You can see in the last picture I did notch and bend the end pieces back to match the angle of the bumper.

Now I'm going to fabricate a new center section with flat strap. I also added brackets from the end pieces down to the bumper. This is where I stopped:

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I removed the grill guard and I can finish welding it up off the truck.

I also added these little rubber hood latches to hold the tire carrier down. I think they'll work okay, but I'm not as thrilled about how they are sticking like bunny ears. I may do something different in the future.

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I like the grille guard!

How do you like your front springs on the street? Do they cause any excessive body roll or unusual handling?
 
No complaints about the front suspension once I properly tightened the shackle bolts.... :whistle:

Need to improve the rear suspension to. Hoping to get a shackle flip on and ditch the lift blocks.
 
Still finishing up the grill guard but I did test fit it today.

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I also bolted in the winch. Because it will be "feet forward" on this bumper, I had to clock the clutch end. It was pretty simple, remove the allen bolts and rotate to the point the bolt holes line up. The trick is also getting the gear teeth to line up. I had to have it just the right spot for the bolt holes and gear teeth.

Here's what the end looks like removed.

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You don't need to pull the end all the way off. And be careful not to turn the loose end down because all the planetaries will fall out. I had pulled the gear end housing all the way off and I thought it would be easier to put back on if I set the winch up on the motor end to drop the gear end back on. But when I did that I just dumped all the planetaries out on the bench. :doah:

I forgot to take a picture but the clutch engage lever did not end up straight up on top but it's rotated a little forward.

I'll have to be careful when the rope is spooling in because if it gets too bunched up in the middle it will rub the metal piece that runs across the front of the truck under the grill and headlights.

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There's only about 1/2" of clearance. You can see in the picture I cut and ground down as much as I could. Also used sandpaper to smooth the edges.

Next step is to wire the winch. I need to decide where the solenoid back will go. I'm also going to get my second battery put in. I pulled a driver side battery tray out of a diesel truck. It was virtually a bolt-in install.

I had to drill 2 holes in the inner fender.

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There were small dimples already in the inner fender to mark the locations. Probably so it could be used in a truck that need the second battery tray.

The other trick was to remount the charcoal canister. I drilled 2 holes in the leg of the battery tray and mounted it there.

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Next weekend I'll get the wiring done and we'll be ready for the snow run on the 15th.
 
I have in-cab controls, but I don't think I'll have it wired up for a while yet. So it'll just be the controller through the window for awhile.
 
Grill guard is done.

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The next project was to wire the winch in preparation for a snow run next weekend. After looking over my bumper/grill guard setup, I decided the ideal setup would be mount the solenoid pack in the engine bay.

I started doing some research on how others have done this and came across people replacing their solenoid packs with contactors, specifically units made by Albright and Superwinch. I found some debate about whether those 2 are both made by the same people, but it sounds like Superwinch has them made to their specs.

Simply put, the Superwinch contactor I used replaces this:

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With this:

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2 together in the same picture.

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As you can tell, the wiring for the contactor is much simpler. That original solenoid pack is confusing jumble of wires and somehow the motor turns in 2 different directions even though it looks like they are all wired together through those bus bars.

I'm the type of person when I look into doing something new, I like to read everything I can find. I pieced together a lot of information from various places to come up with my final wiring schematic and solenoid/contactor choice. Maybe this will help someone else in the future. The wiring diagram is for a Tabor 10K winch wired to a Superwinch 90-32459. This winch uses the 5-pin controller.

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It took me a little thinking to figure out how the 5-pin controller works with 2 different ground circuits. Basically you have a "main" ground that grounds out with the winch motor ground and then you have a "switch" ground. When you move the switch on the controller you're closing 2 circuits, both the ground circuit and the power circuit. From what I understand this is a safety/reliability thing.

As I mentioned, the contactor I used is a Superwinch 90-32459. The more popular swap is to use Superwinch 90-14452. You will find a lot of forum threads about swapping the 14452 in on Warn 8274 and other 8000# winches. Here's a picture of the 14452:

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I think part of the reason this one is popular is because it has the spade terminals for the controller connections. That solenoid/contractor is for their 9000# winch. It's very hard to find specs for the contactors, but the key spec for the 14452 is that it will handle about 420A for 80sec. The problem is my Tabor can pull over 500A. So I looked through Superwinch's different winch specs for a winch that used the contactor style solenoid and can draw over 500A. The 90-32459 is the contactor they use on their Talon 9.5 & 12.5 winches.

Both contactors are available from SummitRacing along with other places. I thought based on the product images the mounting holes would have the vibration isolators but it didn't. So I pulled out my HF grommet assortment and found 3 that worked good for that purpose.

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The new contactor is mounted on the "leg" of the passenger side battery tray.

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Most everything is wired using 2/0 welding cable. Even with flexible welding cable it is a pain to get everything wired up.

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I used a junction block to wire the winch controls. I did this because I felt it's a easier way to combine the dissimilar products (Superwinch contactor with 3-wire to Tabor 5-wire winch controller) plus adding an in-cab controller down the road.

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In that picture I don't have the plug for the controller wired in yet. I feel like I would like to find a junction block with a cover of some sort to swap in down the road. This one works for now and it was only $3 or $4 at Home Depot. I put plenty of dielectric grease on the connections since they are open.

I made a bracket to mount the plug for the controller in one of the grill openings.

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Even with my careful research I still had the winch directions switched. In on the controller fed line out and vice versa. Luckily with that terminal block wiring all I had to do was swap 2 wires and it worked as intended. The wiring diagram at the top does reflected the corrected wiring.

***UPDATE: 2yrs & 8mon and the contactor is still working great. I've done a lot of hard winching, enough to break a winch line.***


In one of the pictures above you can see the battery selector switch. I run 2 batteries wired in parallel through the switch. The switch will allow me to run either or both batteries. I always run with both batteries. The charging lead from the alternator comes in to the bottom of the switch so the selected battery(s) are getting charged.

The second battery is mounted using a factory driver side battery tray I mounted back on post 573.

Another issue I dealt with is the radiator overflow located on the passenger side inner fender. I don't like the way it looks and it's in the way of my battery switch and future wiring plans. I picked up a factory overflow for a 6.2L diesel equipped K5 also from Summit was just $12. Fit perfectly on the diver side of the radiator like it would be in the K5, although not in exactly the same place.

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Down the road I'll add in my CUCV bus bars for positive and negative feeds. That way I won't have to have all the cable ends piled up under the negative battery terminal and output of the battery selector switch.
 
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Damn dude! Good stuff! You did a great job! I didn't even know there was such a thing as a contactor!
 
Very nice write-up! While wiring in my in-cab winch switch a few weeks ago one of the small studs spun on one of my solenoids on my 9000xd. Was going to look up info on contactors since I will likely have to replace something anyways. Perfect timing for your explanation! :waytogo:
 
Thanks guys. 10 days ago I'd never heard of a contactor either. Apparently their use has been popular in Europe. Some of the older threads I read people were ordering the Albright brand thru a UK store.

Warn has started using them too but theirs is a set up a little different and quite a bit more expensive.
 

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