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It's all about the "lip" on these replacement panels. Some have them..some don't..

When I first did a order of panels I went through LMC. Much of the stuff was either really thin or it just didn't have the lip. On my second order of panels I went through GMC Pauls who sells a lot of the KEY parts. A much thicker panel but still no "lip" for this panel. So, needing the lip I ended up using the one that I cut off the passenger side front quarter.

After all of the cutting and fitting to get the line correct on the wheel well opening, my panel ended up a little short. I thought no problem, I'll just use my spare LMC panel. Got it all cut up to where it fit really nice and decided I just didn't want to use the thin panel. So I was left with re-ordering a new one, or fill the gap. Well I went with filling the gap, not to proud that it's not perfect, but it will have to do.

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There was a great 2011 crash? By the way those panel repairs make mine look like POO. I sure could have used some of those eastwood grippers.

Update Edit: After seeing those repairs and thinking about those grippers I just bought 2 sets this morning.
 
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Thanks Guys!!:waytogo:

SPD, I wish that I would have replied sooner. The Eastwood clamps are nice, but HF sells the exact same thing for a lot cheaper. Now that they are all mixed up, I can't tell the difference between the two.

Bill, You are not kidding on the same thing over and over and over. Hope to get some good progress in today. Last weekend I went snow camping up by Cascade and the storm has kept me really busy with trees through houses the last couple of days. I even had to do a roof temp at HAD yesterday, Jessie had a 25' x 25' hole in his roof from the top of a pine falling through it.

Really thanks for posting up, It really does keep me going on all of the body work. I can't wait to actually get to something mechanical someday.:whistle:
 
Well, it was a good weekend for some progress. I am pretty burned out on cutting and grinding, so I decided to drop the BBC in, so I could do some more cutting and grinding. :rolleyes: :haha:

On the first mock up, the block wouldn't even sit in the hole. Couldn't get the the drivers side bolt in for the cross member and it pushed the block all the way into the passenger side firewall. A couple of weeks ago I asked NorCalTank what he had to do for his BB. He mentioned the drivers side had a bump out, he cut it out and followed the same tunnel lines. Seemed like a good idea to me, as I had stared at it for half and hour with the grinder in my hand trying to gather my manhood enough to start cutting.

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After I had the new piece in, shot it with some zinc and dropped the block back in. It went in fairly easy this time. I ended up with about 5/8" on both sides. Do you guys think that will be enough room for it?:dunno: I was able to get both the valve covers off with no trouble.

After every thing was in and I sat drinking a beer all happy with myself, I started to look at my shackle angle. I have Kert's shackle hanger, still waiting for the install, but stuff still doesn't look good yet. These are the springs that Stephen had Alcan make up for me. At the time, I told him there would be a SBC with a winch and bumper. Well, I can hang my fat ass off of the frame horns with the BBC installed and I get really no movement. I hope they relax a bit...any thoughts on this? :confused:

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NorCal69 said:
These are the springs that Stephen had Alcan make up for me. At the time, I told him there would be a SBC with a winch and bumper. Well, I can hang my fat ass off of the frame horns with the BBC installed and I get really no movement. I hope they relax a bit...any thoughts on this? :confused:

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I'm no expert here so if I'm out of line somebody tell me I'm a dumbass or something:haha::haha: But... to me it looks like that shackle angle is way to straight-meaning the springs look like they're too short *eye to eye* than they should be. Maybe you could move the shackle mount forward on the frame to help that?:dunno:
 
Forgot to mention that everything else looks great. Can't wait til I'm that far!
 
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I'm no expert here so if I'm out of line somebody tell me I'm a dumbass or something:haha::haha: But... to me it looks like that shackle angle is way to straight-meaning the springs look like they're too short *eye to eye* than they should be. Maybe you could move the shackle mount forward on the frame to help that?:dunno:
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That's what I'm worried about also. I just don't know how much these are going to relax..If any...

I really don't want to move the shackle hanger forward and make an already short 1st gen spring, shorter. Don't really know what to do yet.:dunno:
 
What does the spring measure along it's arch from eye to eye? Usually Alcan adds a little length to make up for arch and improve shackle angle...

I really think they're too short. With the BBC sitting there the shackle should be at least close to vertical.

Rene
 
Hmmm, Now I'm really confused. I measured the spring from eye to eye last night along the the arch and came up with just about 45". I found an old thread on first gen springs where Greg posted up with his old set up. Looks like he ordered the same springs from Stephen and Alcan made them up. When I ordered mine, I never did ask what the spring rate were at that time though. Maybe I ended up with a higher spring rate, don't really know?

Here is that old thread : http://coloradok5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157222&highlight=using+longer+front+springs Post #4 is where Greg mentioned the length.
 
What I know for sure is the stock length on the second gen K5's was 47" up front, and that the second gen front springs are longer than the first gen. 45" sounds like the correct stock first gen length.

if you hook up your tape measure to the front mount bolt and pull it out to the 45" mark, how does it line up visually to the shackle end? What I'm saying is the longest that spring will ever get is when it's 100% flat, so with a tape you could visually guesstimate shackle angle with the spring as flat as it could potentially be.

I do know the Alcan's I had were 2" longer than stock for my old 81 K5...49" long vs. the 47" stock length.

Rene
 
My boy gave me a hand after his B-ball game.

Here is what we came up with. Just doesn't make sense, it looks like when they are going to be totally flat, that's were the shackle should be. :confused:

Thanks for the help Rene :waytogo:

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I see two options, the first is to move your FUSH's forward 2", the second is order springs 2" longer... :doah:

Based on your pic's a 47" spring would work nicely even when flat, and give you a much more acceptable shackle angle at ride height. Your current set-up it looks very close to being able to invert the shackle. I'm 99% sure it would invert at full droop.

Maybe Alcan or ORD might want to work with you on this issue? As I said my Alcans came 2" longer than stock both front and rear...it seems odd they'd make a custom spring pack for you that's going to have positive arch at rest, at the exact same length as stockers.

How much lift was intended? 4"? 6"?

Rene
 
Well I think that I'm going to talk to ORD first, maybe they would be willing to help out some. :dunno:

The springs are 6" in the front/ 4" in the back with a flip.

Just really don't understand this yet. Maybe I can get AJ to measure his new set, see what they came in at? I think he ordered from Alcan Direct.

Again, thanks for the help Rene.
 
Yeah, I ordered mine direct from Alcan. I just checked my invoice...no lengths listed. I'll measure them for you this weekend.

I want to say the 1st gen fronts are 44" measured straight eye to eye. Looking at your pics, I think you're 2" short.

EDIT: reworded that a few times. Sorry for any confusion...
 
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I tend to say move the FUSH. Any off the wall chance it's not currently in the stock location?
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Yea, maybe. Kinda frustrated now. Do you guys see any huge disadvantage to moving it forward?

As far as stock, it still has all of the rivets from the factory. It doesn't look like it has ever been moved......yet :doah:

AJ, do these sound like the same length that you ended up with? I know your rig is at the shop, but maybe you can throw the tape on them sometime? I sure would appreciate it.

Edit: Just seen your edit AJ, thanks a lot!!!!
 
I don't see any disadvantage to moving the FUSH, except that for a 6" lift custom spring it should have been built a few inches longer to account for the arch. Why should you have to alter your frame and stuff for what IMO is someone else's mistake? This isn't anything new to Alcan.

I'd talk to ORD and go from there. Point them to your pic's, maybe they can twist Alcan's arm into making some longer spring packs?

Rene
 
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