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I didn’t realize it at the time, but It was qualifying…breakout doesn’t matter!

another point to ponder…say you dont consistently cut an .030 or better light, and your car runs 12.0-12.05. Do you dial in 11.98 hoping to cut a great light, or 12.10 to give yourself some time and dump at the stripe if you got your opponent covered.
 
presuming 0 air changes, it's crap shoot to do that. Lets you run it out
But if you run 11.979 and take the stripe, you lose unless they breakout worse

(guess they went to first or worst system)



I will say this, given the opportunity, I'd rather take the stripe
In only few events can I say I intentionally fed a competitor the stripe.
Car has to be super consistent and you need to be consistent at the tree to make that work
It's a gamble
 
I didn't think RT made any difference on ET? A bad RT just means you'll get beaten to the stripe all else being equal and neither of you breaking out.
 
it doesn't, but depends how much the other car screws up also. It may give you wiggle room, if you can cover the number you dial
You may be able to push the other car to break out, but that's more likely to happen if you dialed so that you will break out.
Then you push them to the stripe and dump them.

Some head games brewing at that point
 
When I first started racing, I saw drivers erasing the one hundredth of a second off of their windshield, and changing the number .02. I thought those guys were nuts. There is NO WAY, that you can predict that a car will run that close. But after three years, I was doing the same thing!! I typically would dial in .02 sec. faster than my last pass. Give it a little more for weather changes, if the air cooled down. If I ran a 12.86 on the last run, I would put a 12.84 on the windshield. It takes a really consistent car to dial that close. I once ran a 14.200 on a 14.20 dial in, with a .515 light on a .500 tree. So 15 thousands total from perfect, and I lost! Other guy was closer. I have two time slips, that are back to back passes, that are both 12.861 seconds.
 
When I first started racing, I saw drivers erasing the one hundredth of a second off of their windshield, and changing the number .02. I thought those guys were nuts. There is NO WAY, that you can predict that a car will run that close. But after three years, I was doing the same thing!! I typically would dial in .02 sec. faster than my last pass. Give it a little more for weather changes, if the air cooled down. If I ran a 12.86 on the last run, I would put a 12.84 on the windshield. It takes a really consistent car to dial that close. I once ran a 14.200 on a 14.20 dial in, with a .515 light on a .500 tree. So 15 thousands total from perfect, and I lost! Other guy was closer. I have two time slips, that are back to back passes, that are both 12.861 seconds.
I was in the High School points class running Friday nights at Bandimere and saw that happening one time after a little rain cloud washed down the track. I was in the lanes and most went down since the temps dropped. But the clown I was lined up with actually went the other way. He backed his off by a solid 1/2 second. The little 307 in my car was running in the 17's by that point (whoa, fast I know, but its first pass was 22 seconds) and the guy in the other lane was running a cool long box C10 Squarebody running low 13's. So I wasn't sure what homeboy had up his sleeve but I knew mine ran the same number (slow) hot or cool, so I was going to run it out. Sure enough, he come rolling by me on the big end and had that instant realization he was going to break out and stood on the brakes with everything he had. I swear the front bumper almost hit the ground. The win light lit for my side as I ran within 2 or 3 tenths of my dial-in and I saw the dummy in the other lane pounding his steering wheel as we coasted up the hill to the turn. I couldn't stop laughing.



Speaking of running, is anybody watching the Rocky Mountain Race Week 1.0 live feed on YouTube? Good stuff!
 
I watched Cleeter's vid, and the 1320 vid of day one where George lost his brakes at 148 mph...good thing Great Bend has a huge shut down area and wheat fields at the end...

Haven't watched live feed stuff yet, and probably won't be able to.
 
I saw a guy here in Edmonton cut a perfect light and run his dial, and it wasn't the first time he did it. Maybe I'm easily impressed, but I kinda feel like that is the equivalent to a hole in one in golf...
Just remember, some of those cars have timers
 
I saw a guy here in Edmonton cut a perfect light and run his dial, and it wasn't the first time he did it. Maybe I'm easily impressed, but I kinda feel like that is the equivalent to a hole in one in golf...
Easier said than done. I've cut a couple perfect lights and got my dial-in, but never on the same pass.
 
Home boy was running "no box"...

At Castrol they run two classes in bracket racing, "box" and "no box".
 
It does happen
At one point my 68 was that consistent
Broke the 355 and put a crate motor like the 69 has now. Dialed 13.06 six weeks straight and never changed the dial in
 
Delay boxes are for guys that can't figure it out. Not impressed by them at all.
Lots of throttle stop classes as well as delay classes. It wasn’t my thing. My dad did that for a long time. Got us to go to the National events

My 68 was my workhorse. It had a brake, but that was it
When we ran Stock Eliminator, it was all foot brake. I did wire the 2 step through a micro switch on the pedal, with a bypass next to the shifter for the burnout
Then all brake and all gas. Hit the rev limiter on the brake at 3000, flashed at 5100 when you dumped the brake pedal

This car was a lot of fun to drive then
 
Lots of throttle stop classes as well as delay classes. It wasn’t my thing. My dad did that for a long time. Got us to go to the National events

My 68 was my workhorse. It had a brake, but that was it
When we ran Stock Eliminator, it was all foot brake. I did wire the 2 step through a micro switch on the pedal, with a bypass next to the shifter for the burnout
Then all brake and all gas. Hit the rev limiter on the brake at 3000, flashed at 5100 when you dumped the brake pedal

This car was a lot of fun to drive then
I was a broke kid in high school with some kids running Daddy's bracket car with a box on it. Kinda spoils the experience. Though the fastest you could run in the class was a 12.0 and the previous year's point champion was running a stock eliminator car on a throttle stop at 12 flat. Guess who lined up with him for the first pass of the new season? Yep me. I'm dialed in at a 22 and change and he's at 12 flat. I was well past 1/2 track when he finally left the line. Ran around me at the big end and ran his number.
 
You'd be surprised by the competition in the serious bracket races, I mean $50K, $100K, $500K, $1 million. Not the $1K to $10K stuff that I enter because I don't race every weekend to be good enough at the finish line and the tree to enter the big ones.

If you aren't going under .015 on the tree and dead on your dial to within' a .01 you aren't winning. I watched 1 guy in a million dollar race with a .002 total package lose to a guy with a .001 total package. The guy was .000 (trip zip) on the tree but was .002 over his dial (dead on with a 2). Other guy was .001 on the tree and was exactly on his dial. The guy was trip zip dead on with a 2 and lost! Almost perfect and you lose, it happens...

Also, all of the seriously competitive bracket racers never dial to let it ride, they always leave some wiggle room so they can dump it, and they know if they aren't catching them by a certain point(or not being caught) they will break out, and yet they still run almost dead on. If you just dial to let it ride all the way out, any serious racer will easily win, because you are like a stationary target to them that is accelerating at a somewhat fixed rate. It's too easy for them to cut a light, run you down, and win by 1/2 a fender. Yes, they are that good. I asked my cousin one time, do you always dial back some or do you ever let it ride... his answer, "if you want to win you dial back". How much you dial back depends on the weather, the track, the car, who you are racing against, etc. There are two main reasons for this from my experience. First, if your car is running say a 12.00, and you dial 11.98. You just pretty much guaranteed you will be .02 over your dial, and you left the opponent a .02 window plus your reaction time to win. Most serious racers can cut a .010-.015 light no problem and put their frontend right in front of yours without breaking out and win.

Now with that said, if you don't have enough experience to dial back, don't do it. It will just get you in more trouble because you won't have enough experience to judge the finish line. However, with that said, don't just run it out like a predicable machine. Pick a spot on the track shortly before the finish that you can repeat, and let off there, it will make it harder for your opponent to judge.

Also, the vast majority of races are won at the starting line. If you are serious, you need a practice tree. Keep in mind, you only get one light per round, you blow it, your done. You don't get 10 in a row. So don't practice like that. You are better off cutting a few lights several times a day than having a 50 light practice session once a day. Because its really only your first bulb that will count.

Also, box or no box, there are really good racers in both. The no box is typically more competitive because there are more of them and they are all cutting amazing lights. Keep in mind, different tracks have different setups. They don't always have the same rollout, the same track prep, the same surface, the same type of bulb, the same levels of ambient lighting, the same lane, etc. So a delay box lets them easily change the delay to that track and bulbs. My cousin for many years raced both at the same time, I don't know how he did it. He would hop in his dragster and race with a delay box and then hop in his Cobalt and race no box back and forth at the same time every weekend, and he was competitive in both! The guy can drive anything down the track and win. Now he has them both in box. They almost always enter two cars per racer per race because it doubles their chances of winning for nearly the same amount of fuel and time to get to the race.

Also, most have electronic dial boards in their car hooked to their delay boxes. So they can change their dial from the drivers seat in the staging lanes depending on which lane they get or which racer they end up against, etc.
 
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“Also, all of the seriously competitive bracket racers never dial slow, they always leave some wiggle room so they can dump it, and they know if they aren't catching them by a certain point(or not being caught) they will break out, and yet they still run almost dead on. If you just dial to let it ride all the way out, any serious racer will easily win, because you are like a stationary target to them that is accelerating at a somewhat fixed rate. It's too easy for them to cut a light, run you down, and win by 1/2 a fender. Yes, they are that good. I asked my cousin one time, do you always dial back some or do you ever let it ride... his answer, "if you want to win you dial back". How much you dial back depends on the weather, the track, the car, who you are racing against, etc. There are two main reasons for this from my experience. First, if your car is running say a 12.00, and you dial 11.98. You just pretty much guaranteed you will be .02 over your dial, and you left the opponent a .02 window plus your reaction time to win. Any serious racer can cut a .010-.015 light no problem and put their frontend right in front of yours without breaking out and win.”

this is what I was thinking in my previous comment. If you cant run your number dead on, you would have to hope for your best light, or at least enough to be your opponents combination of light + dial in et margin. on a novice night, it can be done, but for the guys that run a street class every week, good luck!
 
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Yes, dialing to let it ride and know you won't break out leaves too much room on the table, that works in the novice races sometimes but not in the big races.

And to be clear, delay boxes just let people leave off the first bulb instead of the 3rd, that's all it does. Its still up to the racer to cut the light. Anything that tries to read the light or anything that tries to live adjust the time of the car down the track is illegal in pretty much any bracket race.

And none of that applies for heads up racing, or this crazy no prep stuff that is fun to watch, but no thank you sending my car down there. I want the track prepped, nearly every single no prep guy crashes eventually. I try to avoid that, I like a good track. Think of any big no prep race, then try and think of the guys who haven't crashed or hit the wall at least once, you can probably count them on one hand, and many of them have crashed multiple times. Its crazy, but fun to watch sometimes. But I don't like that you can't see the times.

Bracket racing is the opposite for me, it's fun to race, but not as fun to watch unless you know who is racing or there are some sweet cars racing. Just watching 200 dragsters make easy passes isn't as fun to watch, but fun to participate. My cousin runs 4.50s in the 1/8 at about 154 MPH. His 60 ft has been as low as 1.000 with his old dragster, but was usually 1.03 or so I believe, his new dragster was ticking of 1.02 sixties first outing. If he gets some really good air down south some day that would be nuts to get a .999. Keep in mind its all NA motor only for his dragster. No nitrous, no boost. Just a nasty big block on race gas that he goes through every 300 runs. Bearings, rings, lifters, etc.
 
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