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ARB for 14 bolt

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I talked to the guys at http://www.lavenderbrothers.com/ a few months ago. They said there are a few out there right now being tested.. They where hoping to have them out in Augaust.. /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif

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Yep having a ARB in the back would be the best.
 
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Well my K5 might be wheeled too....depends on how soon I get an '01 or 02' dodge CTD.

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dude, you feeling alright? you don't sound like your self /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif

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If I do get an '01-'02 CTD dodge with the sport package, full black leather interior, quad cab, power everything, 6 spd manual, 385HP, 900ft lbs! /forums/images/graemlins/woot.gif.....I'll park the K5 and throw rocks at it! /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif It will be easier to wheel it when it's not my DD, not to mention on how inferior it will be with a lariat dodge CTD around. /forums/images/graemlins/woot.gif I will probably move my stereo and tires/wheels over to the dodge so most of my bling will be off of it anyway.
 
The "detroit in the rear of a daily driver" thing has been beat to death. See the post from each week for the last several years for more advice.

Official word from ARB this morning indicates late september or early october of this year for the 14FF locker. We'll see, I have similar experience to harry's but it does seem to be happening now.
It may be a solution without a problem but we'll have it available.
 
Rjfguitar, you believe anything you hear, don't you? Have you actually even DRIVEN a vehicle with a Detroit? The ONLY time its noticeable is when making sharp turns, just like Jason (willyswanter) said. If you're driving straight down the road, you can't tell what kind of locker is in the diff. When I had a rear Dana 60 welded, I couldn't tell it was welded when driving in a straight line. And my Detroit doesn't pull to the side when on and off the throttle. /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Will
 
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Rjfguitar, you believe anything you hear, don't you? Have you actually even DRIVEN a vehicle with a Detroit? The ONLY time its noticeable is when making sharp turns, just like Jason (willyswanter) said. If you're driving straight down the road, you can't tell what kind of locker is in the diff. When I had a rear Dana 60 welded, I couldn't tell it was welded when driving in a straight line. And my Detroit doesn't pull to the side when on and off the throttle. /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Will

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/forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif Jake asks about the detroit and since I'm the only one that apposses it, you think I'm an idiot. I find that humurous. /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif

I have ridden in 1 truck with a detroit and we weren't on the freeway so I don't have any experience with them at high speeds but in town on our short trip I did notice the barking around corners. I have heard from a few people on this board that at highway speeds it will push you around a little from it unlocking and locking from throttle input. Do i believe that? Basically yes, why would they lie? Especially when I've heard that from about 3 different members that have detroits in the rear.

The reason why your welded rear does nothing different at hi speeds is because it is not unlocking, it's welded. /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

I still don't think he should go with a detroit, that truck will see trips to Tahoe (snow and ice) and probably spend most of it's time on the street. He doesn't plan on doing anything crazy offroad so having one wheel way up in the air etc. will probably not happen, for now. Also he will probably have to back up to a trailer or 2 in the future. I would think the Eaton LS adjusted nice and tight should be plenty. I just play in the dirt and mud...even with my worn out gov lok I have posi when going strait and that is all that matters to me.
 
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The "detroit in the rear of a daily driver" thing has been beat to death. See the post from each week for the last several years for more advice.

Official word from ARB this morning indicates late september or early october of this year for the 14FF locker. We'll see, I have similar experience to harry's but it does seem to be happening now.
It may be a solution without a problem but we'll have it available.

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Sounds like one of those things they have to work the bugs out of.. They keep pushing the date back...LOL
 
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I still don't think he should go with a detroit, that truck will see trips to Tahoe (snow and ice) and probably spend most of it's time on the street. He doesn't plan on doing anything crazy offroad so having one wheel way up in the air etc.

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if you arent going to do any real offroading, just keep the diff open. Thats cheaper and easier on parts anyway. Buying "limited slip X" now, and an ARB later on when you want to 'get hardcore' sounds like a whole lot of $ being spent for not to much gain. Just leave it open and if the rig ever gets wheeled and you need it, upgrade to an arb (or whatever) later.

for the record, I have front and rear detroits, and never noticed any locking/unlocking stability problems at freeway speeds. I get a chirp or two on a tight corner in a parking lot, but no problems with normal driving. Others experience may vary.

j
 
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I still don't think he should go with a detroit, that truck will see trips to Tahoe (snow and ice) and probably spend most of it's time on the street. He doesn't plan on doing anything crazy offroad so having one wheel way up in the air etc.

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if you arent going to do any real offroading, just keep the diff open. Thats cheaper and easier on parts anyway. Buying "limited slip X" now, and an ARB later on when you want to 'get hardcore' sounds like a whole lot of $ being spent for not to much gain. Just leave it open and if the rig ever gets wheeled and you need it, upgrade to an arb (or whatever) later.

for the record, I have front and rear detroits, and never noticed any locking/unlocking stability problems at freeway speeds. I get a chirp or two on a tight corner in a parking lot, but no problems with normal driving. Others experience may vary.

j

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I still don't think he should go with a detroit, that truck will see trips to Tahoe (snow and ice) and probably spend most of it's time on the street. He doesn't plan on doing anything crazy offroad so having one wheel way up in the air etc.

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if you arent going to do any real offroading, just keep the diff open. Thats cheaper and easier on parts anyway. Buying "limited slip X" now, and an ARB later on when you want to 'get hardcore' sounds like a whole lot of $ being spent for not to much gain. Just leave it open and if the rig ever gets wheeled and you need it, upgrade to an arb (or whatever) later.

for the record, I have front and rear detroits, and never noticed any locking/unlocking stability problems at freeway speeds. I get a chirp or two on a tight corner in a parking lot, but no problems with normal driving. Others experience may vary.

j

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Real offroading? Yeah because we would do some fake offroading. /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif I guess we aren't "offroading" because we aren't as hardcore as you, right? /forums/images/graemlins/bow.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif

Just kiddin' Jek, ya asshat. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Well I have a govlok that works decently and I know it has been just enough to get me over the top of a couple hill climbs and through a few holes...oh wait..through our fake offroading. /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif

I'd rather have a posi out back than in the front. I still don't understand why a good LS wouldn't be good enough? /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif If he stays out of the "real" ( /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif) wheeling stuff and sticks to obstacle where he can keep both rear tires on the ground then he will have traction, especially with having an ARB'd front. And with that he doesn't sacrafice any onroad performance. /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

But hey, thats my opnion, I don't have enough experience offroad comparing detroits and LS's...I just know my govlok has worked well. /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif
 
At one point I heard they were waiting till the 9" locker was done since the design would be similar between the 9" and 14FF. It seems to be true, many years of nothing, now that the 9" is on the market, at least we're getting some positive noise about it.

I've had concerns about O-ring life in a rear diff on a vehicle that sees a lot of miles but I just talked to a friend that installs a LOT of ARB's and apparently they re-designed the oring material a couple of years ago and they're WAY more durable now. He has 130K miles on his zj with no problems with the orings, so I guess they're good for a rear axle on a street driver now.

Detroit on snow and ice? Long wheelbase good, short wheelbase bad. A K5 kind of falls in the middle. I drove mine daily in all conditions for quite a while. It would come around way faster than my 'burb. In the 'burb, the diff's virtually transparent, even in snow. Except the obvious benefit of both tires pushing the truck which is nice in the snow.

Towing with detroit? Why is this a problem? If it was a problem, I think this would have been lined out in the mid 80's when lots of high GVW CUCV trucks came from GM with detroits in the rear.
 
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Real offroading? Yeah because we would do some fake offroading. /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif I guess we aren't "offroading" because we aren't as hardcore as you, right? /forums/images/graemlins/bow.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif

Just kiddin' Jek, ya asshat. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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lol! well, let me clarify anyway... what I mean by "real offroading" as opposed to...uhh.. other kinds of offroading is that I know some people that call driving on a gravel or hard-packed dirt road with a few potholes "offroading". If thats all you're going to do, you dont need a locker or a limited slip. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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Well I have a govlok that works decently and I know it has been just enough to get me over the top of a couple hill climbs and through a few holes...oh wait..through our fake offroading. /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif

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my point was that getting a LSD now and a locker (especially a spendy one like an ARB) would be a very inefficient way to do things with respect to the $ spent. You probably had a gov lock in your axle when you bought it... and its worked for you and thats fine. Its not like you had an open diff and went out and bought a gov lock to install.

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I'd rather have a posi out back than in the front. I still don't understand why a good LS wouldn't be good enough?

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I had LSDs front and rear once. It was better than open front/gov-lock rear... but neither compares with detroit front/rear like I have now. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

ARBs are definitely trick... i just don't want to mess with compressors or air lines or the extra co$t. Thats just me, others have used them to very good effect. I like simplicity, so a strong automatic locker like the detroit fit me best. Other people should save their $ and stay open... still others need a LSD. All depends on what $ you have to spend and what capabilities/features you want/need to get.

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Hey Bobby i might as well leave out the detroit all together for now then, well just change the gears.To 5.13 of course..... /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif ill just wait if they will be out in a few months(arb).........and get LOCKED then /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif i like the idea of pushing a button and intantly having all 4 wheels lock. /forums/images/graemlins/peace.giflike i have in the front /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gifJake /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
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Real offroading? Yeah because we would do some fake offroading. /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif I guess we aren't "offroading" because we aren't as hardcore as you, right? /forums/images/graemlins/bow.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif

Just kiddin' Jek, ya asshat. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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lol! well, let me clarify anyway... what I mean by "real offroading" as opposed to...uhh.. other kinds of offroading is that I know some people that call driving on a gravel or hard-packed dirt road with a few potholes "offroading". If thats all you're going to do, you dont need a locker or a limited slip. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif



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Hey Bobby i might as well leave out the detroit all together for now then, well just change the gears.To 5.13 of course..... /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif ill just wait if they will be out in a few months(arb).........and get LOCKED then /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif i like the idea of pushing a button and intantly having all 4 wheels lock. /forums/images/graemlins/peace.giflike i have in the front /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gifJake /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

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Sounds like a plan. /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif
 
The 10.5" 14 bolt's arb, part# RD114, is getting closer... They have built a few units that are being tested. They are actually planning on building a 37 spline version as well so people can stick 37 spline shafts into the 14 bolt to replace the 30 spliners that are stock for a little more strength. Who knows on when they will be on the shelf ready to ship though...
 
CURIOUS = how did you know the part #??????????? as it is not anywhere on the site that i can see. #2 i would like a pm or post on how you ran your air lines and if you used the same compressor as before.( the one in my other thread from a long time ago).#3 diddnt read your entire sig, are you running the 14ff or the 60-70 in the rear?#4and if so, again i would love to see some pics or somethinng on how you ran them /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gifthanks man, jake /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
Umm, I use the same Viair 550 to run everything air on my truck... The compressor runs through Good Year lines to the 5 gallon air tank. The outlet of the tank has an air dryer and moisture seperator on it then 2 lines run out of that. One to the ARB in the front 60 and one to the 25 foot air hose. I'm running a 14 bolt in the back with a 60 in the front. 14 bolt is stock other than a detroit and 5.13 gears and the front is running 5.13's with an arb and 35 spline inner and outer shafts.
 
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14 bolt is stock other than a detroit and 5.13 gears and the front is running 5.13's with an arb and 35 spline inner and outer shafts.

[/ QUOTE ] /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gifother than that its stock right??? /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif I just want to get the feel of what i am up against when it comes time. Best way to route everything, and mabey cutting and capping the line for future tie inns.I was wanting to run that exact same setup with that vlair pump.Again run an air hose like you for this and that. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif*jacob* /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
Well thats pretty stock to me. Not stock is custom 37 or 40 spline axles with drive flanges. Maybe a turned ring gear and shaved 3"...
 
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