buying a 60 tommorow, and a 14ff LOOK

[dirtwarrior17]

pretty sure he said they have 4.10's or 4.56's... if 1100 for 1 tons with 4.56's is cheap, then wouldn't a 14bff and a d60 with gears for 1000 be cheap?



doesn't make sense to me.

Unless you thought he was talking about just a d60.

 

[rjfguitar]

Bobby, piss off man, its his money, and he'll spend it how he sees fit.

or let me put it to you this way... you didnt need that 10" of lift, or those 35" boggers, but you bought them anyways, and you run them. you're happy with them. its your money, and you spent it the way you wanted to. let the man have a little fun. maybe he'll even take a little body damage

Yes, you are right. But didn't ask you or anyone else how much lift I needed. Me going to 10" over 6" cost me hardly anything.....the price difference between a D44 and D60 is huge. If both axles were the same price I would definantly say take the 60. I originally bought boggers because they look so crazy. Call my the devil now because I bought something based on looks...BFD, but I have learned of how great they grip the slop and haven't regretted it one bit since my K5 is a trailer queen wheeler now.

Bobby, Your not an asset to this site, your just an ass

INteresting, I get criticized for giving a different opinion. First off I know Jake (that would be the original poster) 10 times better than anyone else, I know basically what he plans on doing with that truck, I've even turned a few wrenches on it myself. Besides Jake, I would know better than anyone else what his truck could do without.You are just mad because I didn't agree with everyone else. YOu call me an ass....obviously you don't spend much time here at CK5 or you would say different.... Take a hike.

you guys are missing the point, he doesnt need it, he WANTS it. he has the money, so why not? he cant take the money with him.

If he wants it, he can do what ever he feels like, I don't care about that because that is completely up to him and we can't change that. I am more interested in what he does and doesn't NEED.

you must speak from experience seeing as how your dodge has one. so, what kind of regular maintenance do you do to it? Wait, I get it, the 60 is $$ because it takes more paint to cover it than a D44 or 10 bolt. True, a 60 is more expensive to build...but I'm a little kunfused about the maintenance thing.

Gears, hubs, brakes, king pins, and lockers all cost a lot more for a D60, basically everything cost more on a D60. Everything wears, even a 60 and will need replacing as things wear.

This site has a way of making people think they need parts that they don't, it is turning into keeping up with the Jones' around here. A lot of times in life helping someone else out means being unpopular and saying things that may cause arguments and disputes

Exactly, overbuilding a truck is fun and cool but when you have a family, morgage, cars, self employed.....I would would much rather spend my money on a new bed for my son, or a new dress for my wife, than an axle that costs much more than what I can get for cheap that will get the job done without fuss.

Hmmm...Doesn't need a 60 with 35's? I blew apart my old D44 with 33" AT's. Open too, no locker/posi. Stripped all the teeth off one of the spider gears and half the teeth on one of the side gears. Have you EVER broken ANYTHING rfjguitar?

Everyone has stories about blowing up this and that. I'm sure someone will say they broke an axle stub just by backing the truck out of the driveway. You have to take stories about breaking this and that in strides, I'm definantly not trying to discredit you, I'm just saying that is not real common with an axle in good shape. You didn't mention what you were doing at the time it broke.

I have never broken anything on or in my front or rear axle. I have snapped two rear driveshafts though, pulling back to back. BUT... I only do mess with mud and climbing. I have though, pulled back to back after my 3/4 conversion with new 1350 shafts on asphalt with everything spinning, no breaky breaky. Don't get me wrong, I would put money on me breaking something up front on a big rock pile, but you I won't be doing that anytime soon, and if I know Jake well enough, neither will he. I obviously don't have as stout of a drivetrain as some folks but I DO know that my setup works well and is plenty for my tires, HP, and terrain I wheel on. I have a hard time seeing Jakes K5 with a stock engine and 35" BFGs put more pressure on a 10 than I have with a mild 406 and heavy 35" boggers.

For darned sakes people! He is going to run MILD 35" M/T's not a 35x15 TSL. He is going to hit some trails with this and that but no extreme rock crawling or anything....and so what if he breaks something once, thats part of 4 wheeling right? I see no reason to drag around an expensive extra 200lbs of dead unsprung weight when a good 10B will do just fine.

 

[beater74]

JEEZE rjguitar do you ever STFU

 

[rjfguitar]

JEEZE rjguitar do you ever stfu

Thats the best you've got? If you don't have something to post towards to topic than why are you posting in the first place?

 

[white-rhyno]

I'm sure someone will say they broke an axle stub just by backing the truck out of the driveway.

Thats funny u say that, i have got a story to go along with that.

 

[Poohbair]

Yes, you are right. But didn't ask you or anyone else how much lift I needed. Me going to 10" over 6" cost me hardly anything.....the price difference between a D44 and D60 is huge. If both axles were the same price I would definantly say take the 60. I originally bought boggers because they look so crazy. Call my the devil now because I bought something based on looks...BFD, but I have learned of how great they grip the slop and haven't regretted it one bit since my K5 is a trailer queen wheeler now.

INteresting, I get criticized for giving a different opinion. First off I know Jake (that would be the original poster) 10 times better than anyone else, I know basically what he plans on doing with that truck, I've even turned a few wrenches on it myself. Besides Jake, I would know better than anyone else what his truck could do without.You are just mad because I didn't agree with everyone else. YOu call me an ass....obviously you don't spend much time here at CK5 or you would say different.... Take a hike.
If he wants it, he can do what ever he feels like, I don't care about that because that is completely up to him and we can't change that. I am more interested in what he does and doesn't NEED.

Gears, hubs, brakes, king pins, and lockers all cost a lot more for a D60, basically everything cost more on a D60. Everything wears, even a 60 and will need replacing as things wear.

Exactly, overbuilding a truck is fun and cool but when you have a family, morgage, cars, self employed.....I would would much rather spend my money on a new bed for my son, or a new dress for my wife, than an axle that costs much more than what I can get for cheap that will get the job done without fuss.

Everyone has stories about blowing up this and that. I'm sure someone will say they broke an axle stub just by backing the truck out of the driveway. You have to take stories about breaking this and that in strides, I'm definantly not trying to discredit you, I'm just saying that is not real common with an axle in good shape. You didn't mention what you were doing at the time it broke.

I have never broken anything on or in my front or rear axle. I have snapped two rear driveshafts though, pulling back to back. BUT... I only do mess with mud and climbing. I have though, pulled back to back after my 3/4 conversion with new 1350 shafts on asphalt with everything spinning, no breaky breaky. Don't get me wrong, I would put money on me breaking something up front on a big rock pile, but you I won't be doing that anytime soon, and if I know Jake well enough, neither will he. I obviously don't have as stout of a drivetrain as some folks but I DO know that my setup works well and is plenty for my tires, HP, and terrain I wheel on. I have a hard time seeing Jakes K5 with a stock engine and 35" BFGs put more pressure on a 10 than I have with a mild 406 and heavy 35" boggers.

For darned sakes people! He is going to run MILD 35" M/T's not a 35x15 TSL. He is going to hit some trails with this and that but no extreme rock crawling or anything....and so what if he breaks something once, thats part of 4 wheeling right? I see no reason to drag around an expensive extra 200lbs of dead unsprung weight when a good 10B will do just fine.

Jesus H. Christ.. that gave me a headache just trying to deciper that....

 

[TrcksR4ME]

and so what if he breaks something once, thats part of 4 wheeling right?

Everyone seems to think you should just skip this step, but its not a bad thing to know first hand why you need to upgrade. If you keep breaking something, than an upgrade is not a bad idea, if it ends up working fine than why fix it if its not broken?

This all seems a lot like bragging rights over function. But what do I know, I have 3/4 ton axles, with stock length springs, and push/pull steering. Suprised my truck even makes it to the trail in such condition, esp with no hydro assist

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[ryoken]

if 1100 for 1 tons with 4.56's is cheap, then wouldn't a 14bff and a d60 with gears for 1000 be cheap?

doesn't make sense to me.

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1 tons with 4.56's = 14bff and a d60...

1000 is a good deal, but i wouldn't say great... figure 850 for the 60, 150 for the 14.. 900 is about going rate for a 60 anyway..

obviously how clean and "bolt-on" they are affects the value.. and the 4:56's is a plus too...

i've got a standing offer in on a rotted out K30 down the street for $500 with the guy.. he's too lazy to part it out.. i think he may bite soon, the towns been giving him grief about it sitting.. sm465/205 too.. tho the difs are 4:10. now thats a deal...

 

[Greg72]

Mike's got a point here.....Bobby even makes a little sense too.

There is something very "sexy" about finding a sub-$1000 Dana 60. Maybe it's the thrill of the chase....and the fact that everyone knows it's not really that easy to find one at a reasonable price anymore. I don't know the demographics of this site (it might be an interesting survey to do!) and how many members here actually DO have a D60 axle in their truck these days. My suspicion, after being on this site for a number of years now, is that the number of real "1-Ton" trucks here is now pretty large. Back in 2001, you could probably only name a few guys here that were actually running 1-Ton setups, even the "serious" guys were still on 8-Lug D44s.....

Certainly, it speaks to the "keeping up with the Joneses" theory....or maybe it's just that the word is out now, and the conversion has been done so many times that the process is well accepted and understood.

Maybe also, people have read the posts of a guy who dumped $3000 into a D44 over the course of a couple of years, doing gear swaps, chromoly shafts, CTMs and all the other tricks to make it strong.....and realize that it might be better to make the jump to a D60 as soon as possible and avoid sinking a bunch of money into their current axle that won't ever be as strong anyway.

Who knows? CK5 certainly has a "dark side".... it is REALLY easy to see what is possible in terms of modifications and upgrades from fellow fanatics from all over the world!!! Some people (and I know I'm guilty of this) gravitate towards the stuff that is "new" or "beefiest" or "baddest"....and find ways to justify buying it, even if they secretly know that it is overkill. The fact is.....this is a HOBBY....it's for FUN, and people have all different motivations for being involved in it.


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[stizkidz]

Hijack: What exactly is a hi-pinion D60? What applications did they come stock under and what makes them worth so much money?

 

[Stomper]

They came in Fords.











also pad before this gets locked down

 

[rjfguitar]

Like Stomper said, from Fords. I know 78-79 F350s had hipinion 60's but the later years may have had them too. The difference in them is that the pinion is at the top of the differential instead of at the bottom like your standard 60. This makes them provide a better driveline angle and keep less material out of the mud and rocks. The difference is only like 3" or something though. They are expensive because most of the time they have to be custom built, like hi pinion's old axle. Everything was brand new which takes the price up very high.

 

[Nonesuch]

YOu call me an ass....obviously you don't spend much time here at CK5 or you would say different.... Take a hike.

Fine your opinion is he doesn't need one. I don't need an Atlas or a set of 40's, or detroits front and rear because my K5 sits in my garage broke all the damn time. Oh wait, maybe that is because I wheel it when its not broke. I like what Ryan had to say. Why would you spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars repairing an axle that will break when you can invest that money in something that will rarely (if ever with 35's) break? That is my whole reason for posting in this thread. It is just like my HAD 1350cv to 1410 front driveshaft. I thought, why spend an extra $200 on the 1410cv. This 1350 one will work. One test run and the first trail on the next run (1 hour max of wheeling) and boom. I just wasted $300 dollars worth of parts. I wish I would have spent the extra $200 from the get go. Now I am spending $500 more to get it done right and I own $300 worth of driveshaft parts that are only good for paper weights.


As for me taking a hike, fock off. I have been on CK5 since since 2001, three of those years I was a paying member. But this site has little more to offer me now in terms of advise due to the direction I have taken. In that time I watched you come around and for the past 2 years become more of an arogant ass than Timmay. Hell I don't know anyone on this site anymore. Half of the original's have gone because of this crap. Just a bunch of mall poser's such as you. The exception is, you trailer your crap to the mall to wheel the speed bumps because you have the best Dodge tow rig of all time. BFD! You take a hike, more people would cheer with you gone rather than me.

 

[Nonesuch]

Like Stomper said, from Fords. I know 78-79 F350s had hipinion 60's but the later years may have had them too. The difference in them is that the pinion is at the top of the differential instead of at the bottom like your standard 60. This makes them provide a better driveline angle and keep less material out of the mud and rocks. The difference is only like 3" or something though. They are expensive because most of the time they have to be custom built, like hi pinion's old axle. Everything was brand new which takes the price up very high.

This is the actual reason the high pinon axle was designed. Gains from less angle are a perk of the design, not the reason for the design. Bobby need's to keep his mouth closed when he doesn't know what he is talking about. (that sounds oddly familiar).

"The high pinion diff was developed by OEM manufactures for use in front axle applications. The pinion shaft enters the diff housing above the centerline of the axleshafts, rather than the typical low pinion where the pinion enters below the centerline of the axleshafts.

Since ring and pinions are designed as a spiral bevel gear mesh, the pinion will try to move in or out of the diff housing as it tries to spin the ring gear. Ideally, you want that reactive force to load against the larger inner pinion bearing (force the pinion out of the housing). In a rear low pinion axle, the pinion does just that- as it spins and rotates the ring gear, it is forced out of the housing and against the larger inner pinion bearing. In a front low pinion axle, the opposite is true. The pinion is pulled into the housing as it rotates the ring gear when moving the vehicle forward. All the force is placed on the little outside pinion bearing. To fix this problem, the OEM manufactures developed the high pinion front end so that the pinion is 'pushing' the ring gear and is therefored loaded against the larger inner pinion bearing....


make sense??"

By rock-rod from pirate

 

[cegusman]

Here is a pick of my Dually Dana 60

 

[beater74]

Half of the original's have gone because of this crap. Just a bunch of mall poser's such as you.

WORD!

and all this advise coming from a user who runs boggers to cruise the mall.

i can see where working on a farm you might need a cummins to haul a few bails of hay around, but how do you explain running bogger on a rig that is lucky to see a dirt road? but yet you try to tell some body they don't need a 60

 

[dirtwarrior17]

 

[K5MONSTERCHEV]

Hijack: What exactly is a hi-pinion D60? What applications did they come stock under and what makes them worth so much money?

Fords F-250 and 350. 78-79 has 32" spring center, all the other years have the 36" spring center. They had king pins up to 91. I dont see how running a HP cost more, change to a frod 205, the Dynatrac (or Boyce whoever ripped him off) axle was a ridiclous idea. If anyhting you can get a HP and have it retubed to the passenger side for $350.

Why do so many people need to get so freaking pissed, so easy? Im only 20 and this reason is why I dont come here that often anymore. I used to love this site, its where ive learned a lot of things, but nowadays it seems like I find myself just picking sides. Where the hell is Jake anyway? Guess the deal wasnt that good.

Oh and lay off the mall posers.

 

[rjfguitar]

How rediculous this has gotten......

You guys need to just sit back and take a big giant horse chill pill already.

I don't care anymore if any one of you guys that live 2,000 miles away believe me that I wheel or not, I don't care. We'll never see each other in person so why would I? Just keep on believing that because I have aluminum rims and an extra couple inches of lift I must drive around the mall parking lot. I don't trailer my rig to malls...only 4wheeling spots, speed bumps and curbs are over rated. I guess I'll just have to get pictures of me on the rock pile at Blazer Fest this year.


Amazing how things explode just because I bring in another "side" of the story. As far as the personall attacks go from Nonesuch, I'll let that go because there is no reason to get into name calling and making assumptions over nothing.

I would REALLY like to stay on topic here, which a few have completely taken us away from. If you want to criticize my idea that the wheeling/tire/power combo of the truck in hand will not surpass what a 10B or 44 can handle then why don't some of you try responding in a more respectfull manor while staying on topic, instead of attacking me personally. Attack my idea, I don't care about that, thats a message forum, but attacking me personally and calling me names is just immature and uncalled for. Take Kid Jethro for example, he didn't get off topic, stated an incident that happened with him, asked a question and moved on.

Like I originally said....I don't believe that his tire and power combo will be able to surpass what a good 'ol 10b could handle with the mild wheeling he will probably do.

 

[84_Chevy_K10]

Like I originally said....I don't believe that his tire and power combo will be able to surpass what a good 'ol 10b could handle with the mild wheeling he will probably do.

Maybe what he does NOW. 35s and a D60 is overbuilt in my opinion, but when those 35s wear out, he's going to want to go bigger, and it's better to be ready than have to swap all over again in my opinion.

Bobby, you don't 'wheel. You don't even know what 'wheeling is. That's ok, we've come to accept you as a member....but that doesn't mean I'd ever expect you to follow me down the trail, and that's fair enough.