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Choose my heads

You just sold your house. Move out of Cali, take the $1400 you were gonna spend on heads and invest it into a BIG BLOCK. No more smog restrictions and lots power
 
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You just sold your house. Move out of Cali, take the $1400 you were gonna spend on heads and invest it into a BIG BLOCK. No more smog restrictions and lots power

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Like I said Jake, I wouldn't spend the money on it becuase before you know it you will have all kinds of cash buried in the damn thing and you might regret it like me. As you know I wish I could get my $20K+ back and could have a nice '01-'02 dodge CTD about payed for. /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif
 
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You just sold your house. Move out of Cali, take the $1400 you were gonna spend on heads and invest it into a BIG BLOCK. No more smog restrictions and lots power

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hmmm....should a plumber actually have a customer base? I know if i pay a plumber, i had not ever see one(plumber) FOR A LONG TIME! /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif
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Bobby for heavens sake man, you dont have any cats /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gifits a totally different motor, /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif different carb /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.giftotally different truck......thats why im doing just 2 things.....HEADS and CAM /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
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Like I said Jake, I wouldn't spend the money on it becuase before you know it you will have all kinds of cash buried in the damn thing and you might regret it like me. As you know I wish I could get my $20K+ back and could have a nice '01-'02 dodge CTD about payed for. /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif

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Amen. Unless you are sincere about never selling it, then don't do it. I know that I would never sell my k5s, period. Wanted one since I was a kid.

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that carb sucks and so does the ignition system.

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Why does either one suck? Nothing much different about either except you have timing controlled by an ECM, and the carb is only computer controlled for cruise, essentially.

Those carbs aren't a whole lot different than TBI, except they can flow a lot more.

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The CCC setup is far from being close to TBI. You still have the bad fuel mileage, less power, harder starting, and every other drawback that carbs have compounded by having most of the drawbacks of a a computer controlled TBI setup....just without the injection. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif A carb combined with all the computer sensors not to mention the ESC that is hard to adjust timing on. Remember, my K5 is an '85 also and I have first hand experience with that system.
It's basically having the drawbacks of both systems and the gains of neither.
 
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You just sold your house. Move out of Cali, take the $1400 you were gonna spend on heads and invest it into a BIG BLOCK. No more smog restrictions and lots power

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hmmm....should a plumber actually have a customer base? I know if i pay a plumber, i had not ever see one(plumber) FOR A LONG TIME! /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif
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[/ QUOTE ] Word of mouth,property management companeis, realitors,(i do a bunch with re-max) resturaunts, service agreements. /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif NOW ..... get outa here and stop peeing on my lawn .........BABY BIRD!!!!!! Diddnt i tell ya once before???? /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif BTW.... hows your HANZ AND FRANZ oil filter search going???? Are you getting "Pumped Up" about it yet????? BWAHAHAHAHAHAH /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
 
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Like I said Jake, I wouldn't spend the money on it becuase before you know it you will have all kinds of cash buried in the damn thing and you might regret it like me. As you know I wish I could get my $20K+ back and could have a nice '01-'02 dodge CTD about payed for. /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif

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Amen. Unless you are sincere about never selling it, then don't do it. I know that I would never sell my k5s, period. Wanted one since I was a kid.

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[/ QUOTE ]I hope that doesn't change for you. I once thought that I didn't want anything else. Then while I was busting my ass building and installing a motor that cost 3K and isn't smog legal when my buddies were plugging in these cute little black boxes that cost $700 and are now making nearly twice the torque I am with my 3K gas hog. /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif Boy do i feel stupid. /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif
 
no not stupid....just trailer it with your rig /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif No bobby.....your my leaning experiance on not going overboard. Just heads, and a cam /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
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no not stupid....just trailer it with your rig /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif No bobby.....your my leaning experiance on not going overboard. Just heads, and a cam /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

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Thats the plan, it will probably be a trailer queen and I will make it a show truck but I doubt I will spend the money on it because I will be too busy spending my money on the Edge EX comp box, 4" exhaust, intake filter. etc. 400 HP and 850 ft lbs sounds like lots of fun. /forums/images/graemlins/woot.gif /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif

I will probably store my 14's and boggers (or run them on a dodge but I bet the boggers will loose lugs under the weight of the CTD) and run some steelies and 35-38's on the K5. /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
 
I'm still here sitting back and enjoying watching everyone argue over what's best or not. I gave my input already need I say no more. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
CCC is just misunderstood.

Just like TBI, you want to make changes and have it run good, you've got to spend some time on it.

If you are stuck with smog legality, IMO it would be worth it to learn how to work with the system.

Bad fuel mileage I'm pretty skeptical of. I'd like to see that quantified. I'm sure there are plenty on here that get just as bad mileage with TBI that others do with carbs. Economy is still going to be better on the CCC system than standard carb, so...

It's still a wet flow system, so besides the better atomization of TBI, there ISN'T much difference. You talk about making power, well, the electronics of the carb aren't figured into the equation when you step on it, so the flow of the CCC at WOT puts the stock TBI to shame!

I've got the system as well, (on my car) and I'll be playing around with it in the future (more than I have already) to get my 403 running with CCC.

This exact topic has been covered on other boards that deal with CCC in large quantities (all the A/G body GM boards) and the consensus is, you can't expect it to adapt to huge engine changes, just like any injection system, and run well.

I see no reason not to make any mods you want (heads, cam, etc) that don't throw the CCC system out of whack, and see what happens. If you don't like the results, change.

Of course, the owner needs to make up his mind of exactly what he wants. All the discussion of the CCC system means nothing if it's not in the future at all.
 
I got 10-13 mpg or so with my old CCC350 with 3.73 gears, 6" lift, and 33" tires. I get 9-12 now with a built 406, normal edel. Qjet and 10" of lift, 35's, and 4.10's.
Mine never ran all that great, it ran ok but not like how it runs now. I tinkered with that system for 2 years before I finally removed it when the 406 was installed. I have worked on Jake's(hipinion) blazer and the computer isn't controlling the idle on it correctly. Either that or it's in the carb itself. I remember also that when I was considering keeping the CCC system it was roughly 350-500 dollars to have the electronic Q jet rebuilt. A chip was extremely hard to find and even harder to find a company to burn one for that old primitive system. I was told that if a new chip wasn't made for the new motor it would not function properly, the chip was another $400.
 
You know as well as I do if the carb wasn't working right in the first place, you can't use it as an example of MPG or performance.

PO on my car with a 307 in it had disabled the computer, and I was getting 10MPG becuase the carb was stuck on full rich, all the time. Probably near 20MPG if it was working right.

I'm sure it costs a lot to rebuild the CCC carb if you pay someone, however the MC solenoid almost never fails (probably because it was the first time they really tried something like that, so overbuilt it) and I would guarantee that is one expensive part. The TPS is the same idea as TBI or TPI, so that is no more a problem than injection.

Everything besides the primaries on these carbs is just like a "stanard" Q-jet, so a rebuild is pretty much just as straight forward. New gaskets, clean it out inside, re-bush the primary throttle shaft perhaps, check TPS operation, and call it good.

Chips are as worthless for CCC as they are for TBI/TPI, and if you pay someone to burn a "custom" chip for TBI or TPI, you will pay the same amount of money. But for cruise, you can adjust quite a few things on those carbs to feed a bigger engine. You can open the solenoid up farther, you can get "jets" with bigger orifices, bigger primary needles IIRC, and other stuff that isn't even tricking the computer...you make mechanical changes that increase the amount of fuel delivered, and that keeps the computer rom havig to try and richen the mix all the time.

You are right, it's a fairly primitive system, but in one form or another it lasted until 1990, and the '88-90 setups were just as "smart" as TBI/TPI.

For all that work on one of these trucks though, I would swap to TBI first. On vehicles that didn't come with stock injection, the CCC typically needs to be worked with. But if you can swap injection ito a vehicle as easily as you can into these trucks, I have to agree that it's a better choice. Again, depends on what you do. I guess there is something to be said about having an induction system that flows 750 or 800CFM, and has no computer input at WOT if you are mud running.
 
Being you are in Cali. the first thing I would do is look into all of the emmission laws concerning your rig.
What ya have to have, what is legal bal bla bla.
Once you have a grasp on what options are availible to you you can then plan modifications.
Do ya live in an area where it is a if it came on it it has to have it deal????
If that's the case either move, which ya cant do to stated reasons or get an older rig that doesn't have to have all the BS attached to it.
The latter would be my first step.
Sell off the rig and take a hit if necessary, keep all the goodies and swap em into the early rig.
So ya would have to cruise around in a full vert K5, what a bummer. /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif
 
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Are the fi systems smog legal for ca????

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Look at it this way...if you took the entire engine (TBI, emissions, etc), transmission, transfercase, and exhaust out of a *bone stock* 1987 K5, they couldn't touch you. Of course, the engine is really the only thing they could tell was different, since the exhaust, transmission and t-case are the same '85 and '87, given a 700R4.

As was suggested, take that idea to the local whatever smog office CA uses, and see what they say. As painful as the process sounds (sometimes, apparently only when you have no experience doing engine swaps in CA) I'd get it in writing if they say "no problem". Of course, no one would stand up and sign something saying that. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I only mention stock systems because they are easy to retrofit, and guaranteed legal. Aftermarket you start dealing with CARB EO and whatever else. I'm sure you can get an aftermarket setup that is CARB legal, just a little bit more legwork/research.
 
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