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everyone talking about diesels...i like these

82355 said:
You can call it slander, I'll just call it the truth. We work on 8.2's, two strokes, Series 60's, DD15's MBE4000's and 900's. WE DON"T WORK ON 6.2's, or 6.5's. In fact when I had a service truck with a 6.5 in it, we didn't do any of the repair work to it. We can't get parts for it, we don't have manuals, it isn't a Detroit . . . . . . . .

Martin
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Like I said its kinda like arguing if your dad or your mom made you.

Detroit diesel designed and prototyped the engine. GM produced and used them. Detroit is the sperm donor and GM is the womb. Its a Detroit/GM either way you look at it. And as I said, Detroit at the time, was a part of GM. So I guess its more like its mom and dad where brother and sister. Or maybe since GM founded Detroit, its like a mother and her son having a kid together. I could go on and get even more perverse if you would like. Bottom line it is a Detroit and it is a GM. No matter whos ego is offended.

This is my last argument.
 
Well, they were meant to be a high mpg alternative to GM's most common engine at the time, the SBC. It does that admirably.

However a lot of people think diesel = dump truck motor thanks to the Cummins and International engines in Dodge and Ford trucks sooooo...people tend to over estimate them.
 
original balzer said:
Like I said its kinda like arguing if your dad or your mom made you.

Detroit diesel designed and prototyped the engine. GM produced and used them. Detroit is the sperm donor and GM is the womb. Its a Detroit/GM either way you look at it. And as I said, Detroit at the time, was a part of GM. So I guess its more like its mom and dad where brother and sister. Or maybe since GM founded Detroit, its like a mother and her son having a kid together. I could go on and get even more perverse if you would like. Bottom line it is a Detroit and it is a GM. No matter whos ego is offended.

This is my last argument.
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That's all fine and dandy if you want to say that, but when I log onto Detroit Diesel's Power Service Lit, there is NO information at all about them. They do not even mention them. We can't get parts for them. You can call it a Detroit if you want, that doesn't make it a Detroit. John Deere cast the blocks for the first Series 60 engines. Along with some of the early front covers. If you look at one, it will have JDFW cast into it, John Deere Foundry Works. Does that make a Detroit Series 60 a John Deere engine? Some of the later Series 60 blocks have a Mercedes emblem cast into the block? So are they a Mercedes engine?

Martin
 
82355 said:
Yeah, I am G2 Expert Certified on Series 60, MBE 900, MBE 4000, and Systems certified on DD15 (I just need to go to training on that yet). We see quite a bit of DD15's and now have a customer with DD13's. What distributor do you work for? I work for Interstate Power Systems.

Oh, and a 6.2 is not a Detroit . . .

Martin
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Waterous Power systems.

have not seen any DD13 rolling around here yet. had a customers low low hour DD15 in a western star throw rod #2 through both sides of the block IN OUR YARD :doah:


balzer, doesn't matter who helped R&D the thing it's not in the Detroit lineup. its in the GM lineup thats just how it is. So kinda plays like its a GM diesel not a Detroit diesel. theres always a problem with inter-owner corporations like that. you know like cuzz Ford owns Cummins and still sells them to Dodge.
 
82355 said:
Some of the later Series 60 blocks have a Mercedes emblem cast into the block? So are they a Mercedes engine?
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I would kinda tend to say yes since dialmer now owns the on hiway part. they are still a detroit and still a detroit design but yes mercedes does build them, as does the detroit plants. Mercedes OWNs them and has the right to put its emblem on the block. The hole in this is just because I own a GMC yukon I can put my name on it but its still a GMC. But I only own a single yukon, mecedes owns all of the new built on hiway detroits. The point here is IF dialmer wanted to, then yes they could drop the detroit name and call it a mercedes. The reason they dont is because of name identification, the guys who love detroits would not buy it if the name was changed.

GM sold detroit in 2000, and that was the last year they was offered in a vehicle (6.5 version). You could argue thats because GM no longer had any part of detroit. You could also argue that its logical because GM had the duramax to replace it, then get into the argument of weather a duramax is a GM engine or an izuzu engine. Is a powerstroke a ford or an International. It can snow ball from there.

Didnt I say I was done? HAHA!
You can spin this of in a million directions if you want to get technical.
 
Demon44 you do have a point there. We got off topic though.

I am assuming that slumberger' super pumps are the same as the ones you showed above for BJ? I dont remember seeing anything saying detroit on them though.

The one I pulled was a v16 and somewhere around 2200hp. it was a radiator the engne a 6 speed tans and a pump. If I put 1 pair of tire chains on it I went overweight! They was awesome to get several of them on a location and full throttle. Even with the huge mufflers you couldnt hear nothing but a deafening roar. These massive engines are actually why I hired on with them. As silly as that sounds I just had to get behind the controls of such a massive power plant. After a month or so it was pretty boring but I was excited at first and thats all that mattered to me.

I even got to see the carnage of a v16 letting go at FULL throttle.(even further than we had control of because something failed on the throttle and it ran away) I sure wish I could have seen that happen though. Basically 4 pistons went directions they wasnt suposed to go. It was impressive damage consitering how thick the steel is. one of the blowers was basically pushed up on its end. broke free from the middle of the engine and sorta like hinged at the back of the engine.

I did get to see the engine tear one of the pumps appat though. That was cool, parts and fluid and sand went EVERYWHERE!

They are just awesome in my mind still.
 
the pump itself have nothing to do with DD. the 16v-149 is a DD. they're frac pumper units. pretty standard across the oilfield in north america I'm sure.

I built a number of different units like that here in Calgary for Schlumberger and Halliburton that went directly down to Texas to be put into service. they mostly had Series 4000 16v MTUs on them though.
 
original balzer said:
GM sold detroit in 2000, and that was the last year they was offered in a vehicle (6.5 version)...
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AMG still has the rights to the engine and the latest versions are downright mean. 6.5L Optimizer 6500 and the Marine versions are scary.

GM might not use them but every military HMMWV made still gets them.
 
original balzer said:
I would kinda tend to say yes since dialmer now owns the on hiway part. they are still a detroit and still a detroit design but yes mercedes does build them, as does the detroit plants. Mercedes OWNs them and has the right to put its emblem on the block. The hole in this is just because I own a GMC yukon I can put my name on it but its still a GMC. But I only own a single yukon, mecedes owns all of the new built on hiway detroits. The point here is IF dialmer wanted to, then yes they could drop the detroit name and call it a mercedes. The reason they dont is because of name identification, the guys who love detroits would not buy it if the name was changed.

GM sold detroit in 2000, and that was the last year they was offered in a vehicle (6.5 version). You could argue thats because GM no longer had any part of detroit. You could also argue that its logical because GM had the duramax to replace it, then get into the argument of weather a duramax is a GM engine or an izuzu engine. Is a powerstroke a ford or an International. It can snow ball from there.

Didnt I say I was done? HAHA!
You can spin this of in a million directions if you want to get technical.
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So would you call a DT466 an International, or a Detroit?

Martin
 
the 6.2 is a turd imo, i had a boss 13 or so years ago who had a 6.2 in the 88-99 truck body style, and it would blow a head gasket! he had GM dealership fix 4 blown head gaskets in @ 6 month time frame, last time he had it fixed, he quit using the truck and put it up for sale,

he bought a 3/4 ton 4x4 dodge w/Cummins(iirc, it was a non turbo'd motor) and a 5 speed standard trans, that truck really impressed me, when i wasn't pulling a load and the truck bed was'nt loaded down, going down main street w/stoplights every block, i realized it could take off in 3rd gear, with no shuddering or bucking, smooth take off, it would wind up & i'd pull the shifter straight back into 4th, when i'd catch a red light i would push shifter straight forward back into 3rd, it never acted like it had any trouble taking off in 3rd,(i can't imagine how the turboed cummins would pull!) and it made stop and go traffic alot easier to drive in w/o starting in 1st, then 2nd-3rd-4th. that cummins motor must have a lot of tq to let you take off in 3rd and the truck doesn't mind it!

i didn't know Ford owns Cummins and sells them to Dodge, why doesn't ford use the cummins in there trucks?
 
no NO!


that was tongue in cheek humor. on a stupid urban myth................





for the record......

FORD does not own Cummins. They dont' even own any shares any more......no matter what your Boss's Cousins Dad who knows everything says.
 
my boss didn't say chit...i got that out of this thread, my boss did own a 6.2 that i saw w/my own eyes blow a head gasket every month 1/2 or so!
 
Not directed at you in the slightest.


this is a figure of speech. the internet is too damn hard to get sarcasm across. just literally trying to something like your brother girlfriends mothers dog etc etc...........


DEMON44 said:
......no matter what your Boss's Cousins Dad who knows everything says.
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82355. I think IH just bought the DDEC controls from DDC to get their engines off of mechanical injection for EPA regs until they could come up with their own. things can get very convoluted in the corporate jungle.
 
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DEMON44 said:
82355. I think IH just bought the DDEC controls from DDC to get their engines off of mechanical injection for EPA regs until they could come up with their own. things can get very convoluted in the corporate jungle.
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I know. I was pointing out that just because someone helps with an engine (i.e. Detroit Diesel helping GM with the 6.2) doesn't make it their engine.

Martin
 
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