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Full hydro on Dana 60

Chris, don't go to a lot of trouble, because if it would work, it would be mid summer or later before I could even think about this, but what kind of max specs are available for a Ford 351ci with serp belt, Power steering pump?

That one company uses the power steering pump to drive their winches, and I once looked into doing the same for my winch.
But, the stock pump has nowhere near the volume or pressure I would need.

There is a kit made that would give me an engine driven pump, but it is very involved and requires an additional belt.

If I could just replace my present pump with a big honking pump it would be much simpler.

Of course, that puts more load on the belt which might not handle it, and there might not be room for a bigger pump.

Nobody deals with the Ford pumps, because well, they aren't great. You would want to swap to a "p" pump. The PSC pumps flow nearly 50% more than stock, something like ~4.5 gpm. That's probably double what the stock Ford pump does. Lots of Ford guys switch to the p pump.

If you're running a winch, you may want to consider a dedicated pump. I know Stephen used to run a hydraulic winch that was very strong and fast because it had it's own pump.
 
If you're running a winch, you may want to consider a dedicated pump. I know Stephen used to run a hydraulic winch that was very strong and fast because it had it's own pump.

This and if you kill the pump winching for some reason would have your steering pump still. Heck if you killed the steering pump you could re-route the hoses and use the winch pump to get home if needed.
 
I run a Howe kit http://www.howeperformance.com/rockcrawling.html with a P-pump, Vanco hydroboost and single ended ram. It is down low because of my suspension. I had a double ended ram kit and sold it because this one fit my truck better. There is no skidplate yet, it is on the to do list. It works great and I have no regrets!
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This truck has also had 47" LTBs, 48" Michelins and 54" Boggers and the steering is amazing.


I've drove this truck and it steers great...

I don't even notice the difference from lock to lock on mine being a single ended ram...

And for what it's worth, it does steer without the engine running...

Here's how mine is set up...

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I've drove this truck and it steers great...

I don't even notice the difference from lock to lock on mine being a single ended ram...

And for what it's worth, it does steer without the engine running...

Yep, steering control valves (orbital valves) still have steering even if the pump isn't running. Many people don't know that.
 
Yeah, when I was researching for my set up that was a big misconception...

I've drove a few rigs with full hydro and some with just assist... The difference is huge... Full hydro is the only thing I'll run on a trail rig...
 
Nobody deals with the Ford pumps, because well, they aren't great. You would want to swap to a "p" pump. The PSC pumps flow nearly 50% more than stock, something like ~4.5 gpm. That's probably double what the stock Ford pump does. Lots of Ford guys switch to the p pump.

If you're running a winch, you may want to consider a dedicated pump. I know Stephen used to run a hydraulic winch that was very strong and fast because it had it's own pump.
Thanks, Chris, thats about what I thought.
If I ever go engine driven hydraulics, I am going to have to go with the full kit.
They don't make a PS pump that has the output I need.

The system I'm running now gets the job done, but its awkward. The pump mounted on my PTO is rated at 20GPM@2000#.
Trouble is, it must not be spun backward.

With my old shaft driven winch, when I was winching someone out, there is often a point where they are still stuck, but not really bad enough for the winch.
At that point, I would reach down and put the transfer case into low, and back the truck up.
The winch would be moving backwards as I did that, but not fast enough to matter.

With my present system, I have to either switch the truck off, or put the tranny into neutral for a second and then on into park.
Then, disengage the PTO, put the transfer case into gear, and then back up.

The smart move, would to be to adapt a different type pump to the PTO. One that is reversible.

I'm gonna look into that.

Thanks Again.
 
Personally, no

I've seen people do it, its always going to suck when you're trying to turn big tires without the help of a hydraulic pump


I haven't done it with any kind of speed. Sitting still or slightly moving forward. It's damn hard to do. I could see where some forward speed would help, but damn!
 
I haven't done it with any kind of speed. Sitting still or slightly moving forward. It's damn hard to do. I could see where some forward speed would help, but damn!


Yeah, it's really tough to do with a welded 60...:D

Easier when the hubs got unlocked, but yeah it's a b!tch...:eek1:
 
I Can't turn my hydro assist setup without the pump on either, and my rig i:Ds fairly light!

Heavy rigs need hydraulic help, the more the better

Just making a point that full hydro rigs aren't dead in the water if the pump isn't spinning
 
I Can't turn my hydro assist setup without the pump on either, and my rig i:Ds fairly light!

Heavy rigs need hydraulic help, the more the better

Just making a point that full hydro rigs aren't dead in the water if the pump isn't spinning


If you dont have a pump you better have some pipes.
 
Wow guys thanks for all the help! I've got some more research to do but I really like the pictures I got, gives me lots of ideas!
 
I just got these arms and knuckles for my full hydro conversion
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