mudhound72
1/2 ton status
R72K5 said:
What I am wondering is what the car adjusting different to run this stuff and is there anything different on the internals of the motor
What I want to do is set up a carbed truck to run E-85 only
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GAS PRICES!! alternatives????
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What I am wondering is what the car adjusting different to run this stuff and is there anything different on the internals of the motor
What I want to do is set up a carbed truck to run E-85 only
rick88blaze
1/2 ton status
1-ton said:
Another one of the many reasons I moved out of Las Vegas.
but even here rick the propane is expensive. we have some filling stations that you can gas up your car with propane and it's upwards of 4.00 a gallon.when i did the propane conversion on my blazer it cost 20.00 to fill a 8 gallon fork lift tank at ferrel gas. long story short , back to gasoline.
beater_k20
Banned
to those of you mentioning converting to propane, you are aware that propane is a by product of the refining of crude oil, right? you're not helping the cause nearly as much as you would think.
baldamish
1/2 ton status
I'm really starting to think the bio-deisel thing is the way to go (other than riding a mule to work.....how much is hay per..uh..gallon?) I read something in national geographic the other day where a guy spends like $8 a month to drive his diesel jetta, he just went to Wendy's or something and used thier deep fryer grease...filters it somehow and drives! Now i just need to find a cheap deisel, oh, buy more french fries!!
Pookster
1/2 ton status
biodiesel is good, waste vegetable oil is even better. Biodiesel still costs you about 70-80cents per gallon to produce, plus, your working with dangerous methanol. Only good thing is that you can run it in just about any diesel, though they do break down rubber components faster. WVO doesnt have that effect, but it requires a more tedious setup and layout of heating elements, dual tanks, switching, filters, etc.
uglytruck
Registered Member
Not to dredge up the old stories about how the oil companies bought up the patents for super efficient carburetors. But I will relay stories that I have heard but not followed up on. True .
In WWII the allied tanks were able to out flank the Germans by not stopping to refuel their tanks and the Germans ended up running out fuel long before the allied machines did. As the story goes it was because of a secret carburetor used. Believe it or not but remember they also had synthetic gasoline that we havn't heard much about either. An old timer I used to work with told me of an experiment he and some budies did on their old 78 chevy van and the gist of what they had done was to vaporize gasoline and to mix it with the air in the intake and repotedly they acheived over 60 mpg. I don't believe the old timer would ever lie to me so I often wonder of the feasibility, but lack of time $$ and safty concearns have kept me from tinkering myself.
. In WWII the allied tanks were able to out flank the Germans by not stopping to refuel their tanks and the Germans ended up running out fuel long before the allied machines did. As the story goes it was because of a secret carburetor used. Believe it or not but remember they also had synthetic gasoline that we havn't heard much about either. An old timer I used to work with told me of an experiment he and some budies did on their old 78 chevy van and the gist of what they had done was to vaporize gasoline and to mix it with the air in the intake and repotedly they acheived over 60 mpg. I don't believe the old timer would ever lie to me so I often wonder of the feasibility, but lack of time $$ and safty concearns have kept me from tinkering myself.
blazin_blazer
1/2 ton status
because we have a war to support
read on the pump uncle sam get about .90 cent a gallon for every gallon sold...looks like that alone should run most of our gov. plus our beloved president's family is the rockafellers on the new millenium!
read on the pump uncle sam get about .90 cent a gallon for every gallon sold...looks like that alone should run most of our gov. plus our beloved president's family is the rockafellers on the new millenium!
blazin_blazer
1/2 ton status
uglytruck said:Not to dredge up the old stories about how the oil companies bought up the patents for super efficient carburetors. But I will relay stories that I have heard but not followed up on. True
In WWII the allied tanks were able to out flank the Germans by not stopping to refuel their tanks and the Germans ended up running out fuel long before the allied machines did. As the story goes it was because of a secret carburetor used. Believe it or not but remember they also had synthetic gasoline that we havn't heard much about either. An old timer I used to work with told me of an experiment he and some budies did on their old 78 chevy van and the gist of what they had done was to vaporize gasoline and to mix it with the air in the intake and repotedly they acheived over 60 mpg. I don't believe the old timer would ever lie to me so I often wonder of the feasibility, but lack of time $$ and safty concearns have kept me from tinkering myself.
i've heard this also and have seen a blueprint that was aquired before the government stepped in he was selling blue prints of how to build your own and was guarantied 50mpg..the prints burned in a housefire we had when i was 12...my dad told me what they were...well they are gone for good because the big oil industries bought the patent forcefully and made him stop thats why if u find a way to get real good energy effiency of any kind do it for yourself and people u trustand not say a word about it
blazin_blazer
1/2 ton status
i wonder how much cheaper it would be
to run propane...the large delivery vans like frozen pizza vanns,sqwanns frozen foods,...etc run it in their fleet trucks has to be a reason why..any1 know the pro's and con's of propane
btw i have seen on the science channel where they have little trucks that run on compressed air in europe now..should b available in states by 2007 has it own compressor to pump it up in 8 hrs or u can go to a compressor and fill up in 4 mins. 180 mile range with top speed of 50 mph..any1 else seen this know what they are calling it?
to run propane...the large delivery vans like frozen pizza vanns,sqwanns frozen foods,...etc run it in their fleet trucks has to be a reason why..any1 know the pro's and con's of propane
btw i have seen on the science channel where they have little trucks that run on compressed air in europe now..should b available in states by 2007 has it own compressor to pump it up in 8 hrs or u can go to a compressor and fill up in 4 mins. 180 mile range with top speed of 50 mph..any1 else seen this know what they are calling it?
Jeff427
1/2 ton status
blazin_blazer said:
This the one?
http://www.gizmag.com/go/3523/
Here is another interesting link;
http://www.tidepool.org/hp/hpaircar.cfm
rick88blaze
1/2 ton status
stick said:
Damn! I didn't realize it was that expensive here.
Rick
Wood power!
My dad told me about the germans using wood to power their military vehicles when the US bombed all their fuel depots..they used an airtight wood stove called a "gasogen" that made the smoke needed to fuel the engine!--wood has alcohol and many other gasses in it that are released when it burns,and can be used to fuel an engine...the wood smoulders,and the smoke is piped to the carbuerator,where it goes into the engine where it is burned...
I saw a 1964 ford falcon a finnish guy ran on a wood stove in the trunk in my hometown of Fitchburg MA,--he was a bit odd,and had several "inventions" on his lawn on display that were designed to save energy and petroleum reserves..it was quite a sight to see him coming down the street in his falcon,all painted with slogans like "free gas",and "No Charge"written all over it--and the plume of wood smoke trailing behind him!--the car had a 6 cylinder engine--it didn't have too much power,but it DID run,and was driveable!--proving his point it could work!--but the fire and police dept.told him it was a fire hazard,and would only let him drive it on rainy days or in the winter!...
The same guy used a coleman camping stove that used gasoline to convert another small car to "fuel injection"--the kind of stove you had to "pump up" the gas tank!--it was 1967,but he had this car running decent on nothing more than that camp stove tapped into the intake manifold!..he claimed to get 35mpg with it!...
I wonder how many miles to a "log" he got!. ---It proves there ARE alternatives--but it still costs more for the "alternatives" than the real thing so far--might not be very long before they are not though,the way things are going.. 
My dad told me about the germans using wood to power their military vehicles when the US bombed all their fuel depots..they used an airtight wood stove called a "gasogen" that made the smoke needed to fuel the engine!--wood has alcohol and many other gasses in it that are released when it burns,and can be used to fuel an engine...the wood smoulders,and the smoke is piped to the carbuerator,where it goes into the engine where it is burned...
I saw a 1964 ford falcon a finnish guy ran on a wood stove in the trunk in my hometown of Fitchburg MA,--he was a bit odd,and had several "inventions" on his lawn on display that were designed to save energy and petroleum reserves..it was quite a sight to see him coming down the street in his falcon,all painted with slogans like "free gas",and "No Charge"written all over it--and the plume of wood smoke trailing behind him!--the car had a 6 cylinder engine--it didn't have too much power,but it DID run,and was driveable!--proving his point it could work!--but the fire and police dept.told him it was a fire hazard,and would only let him drive it on rainy days or in the winter!...
The same guy used a coleman camping stove that used gasoline to convert another small car to "fuel injection"--the kind of stove you had to "pump up" the gas tank!--it was 1967,but he had this car running decent on nothing more than that camp stove tapped into the intake manifold!..he claimed to get 35mpg with it!...
I wonder how many miles to a "log" he got!.
---It proves there ARE alternatives--but it still costs more for the "alternatives" than the real thing so far--might not be very long before they are not though,the way things are going..
beater_k20
Banned
uglytruck said:
they make a contraption that does this very same thing... its called a carburetor.
blazin_blazer
1/2 ton status
propane prices on par with gasoline
but what about the mpg on propane as compared to gasoline..propane here is in th1.70 range but this winter it goes up about a dollar, i have made a deal with amerigas here where they will let me buy propane during the summer and it is at its lowest and they store it for me until i need it..other words i go in and buy $1000-1500 when its at its low price and its mine they just keep it in their huge tanks that way when i need it in the winter they deliver it to me and just keep up with the amount i get and its sort of like buying it in the winter when its sky high because of heater usage at the low summer price, but its a special deal they did to get me to change companies and i told them that would be the only way i would swap companies...they bit but told me not to tell any1 around here that they are doing it for me..so it comes down to mpg.....where i live we have no inspections of any kind..not even turn signal or headlight checks..i have a friend who has a 350x tagged as a trike he put motorcycle turn sigs on it ,horn, tailight and told them it was a homemade trike with a 200 cc mototorcycle motor he had built and took off all sticker that hinted what it was took serial #off frame and motor and used metal die stamps and made up his own and stamped different on frame and motor and applied for custom trike title,and his insurance is incrediably low and its a blast to ride around town...the hardest part was finding d.o.t. tires to go on it but we got that lined out and now i'm lookin for me a 350x to do same to he made the dual headlights where 1 would light for low beam and they both burn on high..it was super easy and after getting stopped several times and all the local police got the point he has no more problems!
but what about the mpg on propane as compared to gasoline..propane here is in th1.70 range but this winter it goes up about a dollar, i have made a deal with amerigas here where they will let me buy propane during the summer and it is at its lowest and they store it for me until i need it..other words i go in and buy $1000-1500 when its at its low price and its mine they just keep it in their huge tanks that way when i need it in the winter they deliver it to me and just keep up with the amount i get and its sort of like buying it in the winter when its sky high because of heater usage at the low summer price, but its a special deal they did to get me to change companies and i told them that would be the only way i would swap companies...they bit but told me not to tell any1 around here that they are doing it for me..so it comes down to mpg.....where i live we have no inspections of any kind..not even turn signal or headlight checks..i have a friend who has a 350x tagged as a trike he put motorcycle turn sigs on it ,horn, tailight and told them it was a homemade trike with a 200 cc mototorcycle motor he had built and took off all sticker that hinted what it was took serial #off frame and motor and used metal die stamps and made up his own and stamped different on frame and motor and applied for custom trike title,and his insurance is incrediably low and its a blast to ride around town...the hardest part was finding d.o.t. tires to go on it but we got that lined out and now i'm lookin for me a 350x to do same to he made the dual headlights where 1 would light for low beam and they both burn on high..it was super easy and after getting stopped several times and all the local police got the point he has no more problems!
blazin_blazer
1/2 ton status
what about
the WWII gmc engines that would run on anything flammable u put in it because of the compression was either high or low but the were called uni fuel engines i have 1 in a 1952 m-37 that doesn't run i got it for the divorced transfer and the 1 1/2 ton axles that have a sealed ball where they turn almost like a dana 50 but just huge and get this they have sears and roebuck lock outs on them because they were full time 4x4. i wonder how long it has been since sears made parts for surplus military vehicles..they say allstate across the piece u turn but around the outer edge it says made by sears & roebuck company i've never seen any of those in my life and i've had several m-37 not to change subject but has any1 else ever seen these? the lockouts not the unifuel engine i'm sure ever1 has seen them...even some early model jeeps were made with like a 5 to 1 compression so they could burn and run on anything flamable.
the WWII gmc engines that would run on anything flammable u put in it because of the compression was either high or low but the were called uni fuel engines i have 1 in a 1952 m-37 that doesn't run i got it for the divorced transfer and the 1 1/2 ton axles that have a sealed ball where they turn almost like a dana 50 but just huge and get this they have sears and roebuck lock outs on them because they were full time 4x4. i wonder how long it has been since sears made parts for surplus military vehicles..they say allstate across the piece u turn but around the outer edge it says made by sears & roebuck company i've never seen any of those in my life and i've had several m-37 not to change subject but has any1 else ever seen these? the lockouts not the unifuel engine i'm sure ever1 has seen them...even some early model jeeps were made with like a 5 to 1 compression so they could burn and run on anything flamable.
4xcrazy
3/4 ton status
gas prices,,,alternatives?
two wheels, a seat, handle bars, and pedals
two wheels, a seat, handle bars, and pedals
SUBFAN
1/2 ton status
I doubt it is any higher in your state than here, but the taxes on a gallon of gas here in IL is:
Feds $.184
State $.190
local sales tax 6.25% - 7.25%....
At least the local sales tax lets you back out the state taxes before figuring in the sales tax....I thought there was something against double taxing? Why are we paying sales taxes on top of the Federal tax????
This adds up to about $.53 at the current rates....(In my state) Are the roads you drive on worth $.53 a gallon????
Feds $.184
State $.190
local sales tax 6.25% - 7.25%....
At least the local sales tax lets you back out the state taxes before figuring in the sales tax....I thought there was something against double taxing? Why are we paying sales taxes on top of the Federal tax????
This adds up to about $.53 at the current rates....(In my state) Are the roads you drive on worth $.53 a gallon????
mudhound72
1/2 ton status
4xcrazy said:
I would but..... I am in no shape to bike 13 mi to work in the dark ( I work night shift) and right now I like were I live so I dont think I will be moving to soon
darkshadow
1 ton status
ok if this was mentioned or not i am not sure its a longpost.
a friend of mine is going to build an alcohol truck, all he will do is drill out the jets with a small bit and run alcohal from a plant that is being built near here to make corn into ethenol, the alcohal aparently has bad propertys that are harsh on componants, and if you 'cut' it with about 10% gas i will netrulize the bad efects.
he has bean building race cars for a long time, and has a few books on fuels
a friend of mine is going to build an alcohol truck, all he will do is drill out the jets with a small bit and run alcohal from a plant that is being built near here to make corn into ethenol, the alcohal aparently has bad propertys that are harsh on componants, and if you 'cut' it with about 10% gas i will netrulize the bad efects.
he has bean building race cars for a long time, and has a few books on fuels
