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GAS PRICES!! alternatives????

that's what the post was started about. But everyone seemed to discourage running ethanol..... I was thinking about converting a sbc to run on it and trying to start making some shine :D ......... I don't suppose this is a practical alternative though....
 
my buddy (who knows more than me on this) seems to think it is doable, he said he would keep another set of jets in the truck so if on a long trip you could swap the gas jets in and not waste as much fuel.

he has been planing it for a bit and seem to have a plan down for it it not just a seat of his pants thing.

i will ask him about jet sizes next time i see him
 
you better get a BIG gas tank

every1 has told you it is doable from what i read they just said it wasnt practical..it will run in a lwer compression motor also but thats alot of copper you will have to buy . i always wondered if you made the still in the trunk and let the exhaust flash off the alchol that would be something...i have a friend building a 200 gallon copper tank as we speak for the very same thing but instead of corn he's using his hog's shyte to make alcohol

i still want to know the mpg on propane and where to buy a kit i live where there is no inspections of any kind not even to see if your headlights work...they just ticket u if they dont

i mean this is not new back in the day of the revenuers and moonshine runners many off them would run the bad batches in their cars ..geez lik yall dicovered sum'n new
 
As the prices continue to soar I think we should add an alternative fuel forum. There are good alternatives out there and people with a lot of experience to share.

Here in Ontario, there are a few sources for Biodiesel but it isn't cheap at all. I know a guy that does the vegetable oil thing in a Jetta. He's been doing it for years and loves it. I've yet to see anyone using any of the Big Three though, it always seems to be VW's. I'd like to know how it works in our trucks.

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that diesels were designed to run off of vegetable oil originally. But I guess that wouldn't get anyone rich now would it? In fact Canada was a big source of that oil during the War and after the war they started marketing it as a cooking oil and called it Canola.

Propane is a good alternative not only because of the cost and efficiency but injection is great for off camber runs. We used to get a tax break here in Ontario, but that is gone now and the conversion would cost a ton to install new by a professional.
 
fireplug said:
I'd like to know how it works in our trucks.
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have seen it in a van that ran cross contry and it also passed cali smog laws!!

it is best if the glycerin is seporated from the oil first, and you need to adapt it so the rad heat it up a bit first, or you can run dule tanks and start it on delsel then switch to oil.
that what the guys in there van did as they got more oil as they when from fast food places and dident clean it much more then pur it through filters..
 
informative television

on 1 series of trucks! david stacey or stacy david what ever his name is did a segment on how to make your own biofuel for a turbo cummins truck rigged up wit all the bully dog improvements and said it ran better than real diesel!

he whipped up a batch of about (1/4 capacity of the machine) 150 gallons of usable fuel and said it cost him around 70 cents a gallon including the price of the rig to make it...so the next batches would be even cheaper because you wouldn't have to pay the $500-600 for the rig that turns used vegatable oil into deisel.

the rig was called a "fuel mieser" may be "fuel miser"..but he went and got about 150 gallons of used vegatable oil and like 1-2 gallons or airplane fuel. he strained the oil to get the crunchies out then ran it through the machine once, that scrubbed the oil he said, then there was a seperate tank to add the airplane fuel and turn the machine back on..not sure how long it takes to make the finished product but heck for the price i would wait!

he said most fast food restarants will be willing to almost give u their used oil as they have to pay for some1 to come get it and pay taxes on disposal and stuff like that. he showed a dyno run before and after and gained sum ponies according to the little bully dog read out, plus no black smoke when u hammer down.

he was out there doing massive burn outs on this stuff and he said he had completly drained the tank before putting in the biofuel so there would be no mistaking actually what the fuel did...plus he said the exhaust smelled like french fries. makes me want to get a diesel and get dibs on the used oil in my area before it catches on. look at this link

http://www.truckstv.com/show_details.aspx?iid=4996
 
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blazin_blazer said:
he whipped up a batch of about (1/4 capacity of the machine) 150 gallons of usable fuel and said it cost him around 70 cents a gallon including the price of the rig to make it...so the next batches would be even cheaper because you wouldn't have to pay the $500-600 for the rig that turns used vegatable oil into deisel.

the rig was called a "fuel mieser" may be "fuel miser"..but he went and got about 150 gallons of used vegatable oil and like 1-2 gallons or airplane fuel. he strained the oil to get the crunchies out then ran it through the machine once, that scrubbed the oil he said, then there was a seperate tank to add the airplane fuel and turn the machine back on..not sure how long it takes to make the finished product but heck for the price i would wait!
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150 gal x .70 per gallon = $105. so they paid him $600-700 to obtain the used oil? your math isnt quite jiving.
 
no you read wrong or i typed wrong

the 500-600 dollars was for the price of the machine that made the fuel. your right though the .70 a gallon couldn't included the price of the machine...i think what he said was it cost him about $850 including the cost of the machine so that would put the machine around $750 and the fuel would be a constant .70 but that beats the heck out of pump prices
 
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Some farmers around here run bio desiel and some soybean desiel adative. Their is a problem with it though. Apparently some insects grow in this bio stuff when they have it in their bulk tanks and plugs up their Fuel filters regularly.


If I am remebering correctly, there are BIG differences between ethanol and alcohol. I think it has something to do with the octane ratings of them or something along those lines.


As far as why a very limited amount of vehicals can run E85: It has to do with emmisions. Manufactureers have to GUARENTEE that the vehical will still run at the same emmision levels withh alternative fuels and it does with gasoline. That is also why there are no companies that offer alternative fuel conversions.
 
78Suburban said:
yeah, I noticed the venezuela thing on tv today...... I was thinking about getting a tanker and making a smuggler run down there :D
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Let me know if you do. I spend just under $2000.00 a week on fuel so Im in for about $20k if you do it.
 
Was talking to a buddy about this the other night, in his exploder he runs a 50/50 mix of E-85 and 87 oct the only diff that he found is a 1.5 mpg decrease and no loss in power.

I guss I am going to try the same thing in the RV and see what happins :D
 
Their problem with plugging filters is more likely the cleaning abilities that Bio-Diesel has. On older machines, it will clean their whole fuel system of all deposits and lodge this crap into the filters. Any old rubber hoses/seals can also create problems....

We buy a $400 12' hose every year to load the trucks with. This hose is supposed to be made for this stuff, but after about 7 months it starts seeping through even this special hose.

We can spill it on the ground, and not get into trouble. Kind of funny since it eats paint, the hoses, and causes problems with it's cleaning ability.

I want to try a gallon of the stuff as a parts cleaner, and see how it does with that....
 
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Their problem with plugging filters is more likely the cleaning abilities that Bio-Diesel has. On older machines, it will clean their whole fuel system of all deposits and lodge this crap into the filters. Any old rubber hoses/seals can also create problems....
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Bugs do grow in the stuff and plug the filters.
 
Wow!

4GUNZ4X4Z said:
Let me know if you do. I spend just under $2000.00 a week on fuel so Im in for about $20k if you do it.
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are you running a fleet of vehicles or are you burning 2 grand a week on fuel by your self?
 
well that makes sense

i don't think i could make my gas guzzling 96 tahoe use that much fuel in a week if it was towing a load around the clock for a week!! i knew it had to be something massive!
 
i wonder would it be worth it

to get you to get a tanker truck full of this 14 cent a gal gas ..how much does a tanker truck hold and how much would it cost you to drive down thru mexico into south america load up and come back and sell it ,let me find my calculator ..so you burn 2g's a week ...now how much will a tanker hold? just a joke but u think it could it be profitable?
 
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