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Help with a debate on 14 Bolt SF vs. FF
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chris walker
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the cost effective way is FF but if he doesn't care about money get the SF and make it a FF with dana 60 front spindles and hubs with some custome axles and bracing then get a detroit or a lock right and a diff girdle or heavy duty diff cover then it would be
almost as strong as a stock FF 14 bolt
if he does that it should be able to handle 39" just fine
almost as strong as a stock FF 14 bolt
if he does that it should be able to handle 39" just fine
beater_k20
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and with that little bit of extra clearance, you *could* have made it farther than the last guy, which could put you in the money, or in the case of recreational mudding, envy of your buddies.MuddinManny said:
with less weight, you dont need as much power or strength.
MuddinManny
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Dude, nice of you to quote me and cut off the most important part to make yourself right....read the f'in quote:beater_k20 said:and with that little bit of extra clearance, you *could* have made it farther than the last guy, which could put you in the money, or in the case of recreational mudding, envy of your buddies.
with less weight, you dont need as much power or strength.
"Even in ruts, if you bottom out on the 14 Bolt chances are the ruts are too deep for your tire or close to the depth to begin with. More than likely you'll lose traction anyway. Every situation is different, and if there is one thing I know about mud, it's anything but consistent."
and, as far as less weight, you don't need as much power or strength...Okay dude, I shave my 14 bolt and shed 3 pounds of my waist line... Beater K20 - The new Richard Simmons of Full-Size Trucks....
Manny
chevy wrangler
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Lol Noob
beater_k20
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MuddinManny said:Dude, nice of you to quote me and cut off the most important part to make yourself right....read the f'in quote:
"Even in ruts, if you bottom out on the 14 Bolt chances are the ruts are too deep for your tire or close to the depth to begin with. More than likely you'll lose traction anyway. Every situation is different, and if there is one thing I know about mud, it's anything but consistent."
and, as far as less weight, you don't need as much power or strength...Okay dude, I shave my 14 bolt and shed 3 pounds of my waist line... Beater K20 - The new Richard Simmons of Full-Size Trucks....You're first post, argument and reply smells, tastes, looks and acts like a complete!
Manny
i'm not real sure, but i believe you're the one who openly admitted to not having a clue what you're talking about with only Toyota experience.
think about it. its pretty simple really. the lighter weight allows you to stay on top of the mud just a *little* longer, and the higher ground clearance will allow you to make it a little farther, by not dragging down in the mud as soon. as for your "more than likely lose traction" at the bottom of every mud pit, there's something hard, and the deeper your truck will reach for that hard stuff, the better off you'll be. very much the same as you want to get the body and the frame up out of the mud, you want to get the axles up high as well (IMO, more importantly than the body or frame, since they are the LOWEST point on the vehicle
)its all common sense stuff Manny, and obviously, you're not getting it.
MuddinManny
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Jeremy,
The next time you IM me, slander me and threaten me, and pull this crap again:
OneFaastC10 (11:52:43 PM): you're a ****in homo
OneFaastC10 (11:56:06 PM): lets see what you got big dog...
I will contact your local police and file charges against you. I'm not standing for your smart mouth or your attitude. You got a problem with a post, then call me out in the open. Don't friggin hide behind an IM.
DO YOU READ ME LOUD AND CLEAR?
Manny
The next time you IM me, slander me and threaten me, and pull this crap again:
OneFaastC10 (11:52:43 PM): you're a ****in homo
OneFaastC10 (11:56:06 PM): lets see what you got big dog...
I will contact your local police and file charges against you. I'm not standing for your smart mouth or your attitude. You got a problem with a post, then call me out in the open. Don't friggin hide behind an IM.
DO YOU READ ME LOUD AND CLEAR?
Manny
Some pits around here the mud has no bottem. Well manny I guess get some hydro motors and set your truck to run like a bacca sprayer. Its gonna ride like crap but you will have like 4 foot of clearance, but no top end.
beater_k20
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Manny, i never once threatened you. and you know damned good and well that i didnt.
contact my local police. man, would i love to be on the other end of that phone when a law enforcement officer is laughing his ass off at you.
contact my local police. man, would i love to be on the other end of that phone when a law enforcement officer is laughing his ass off at you.
MuddinManny
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Jeremy,beater_k20 said:i'm not real sure, but i believe you're the one who openly admitted to not having a clue what you're talking about with only Toyota experience.
think about it. its pretty simple really. the lighter weight allows you to stay on top of the mud just a *little* longer, and the higher ground clearance will allow you to make it a little farther, by not dragging down in the mud as soon. as for your "more than likely lose traction" at the bottom of every mud pit, there's something hard, and the deeper your truck will reach for that hard stuff, the better off you'll be. very much the same as you want to get the body and the frame up out of the mud, you want to get the axles up high as well (IMO, more importantly than the body or frame, since they are the LOWEST point on the vehicle
its all common sense stuff Manny, and obviously, you're not getting it.
Your argument may hold water with a Toyota, as they are light to begin with, but how much weight are you gonna shave off a full size rig with the lip of a 14 Bolt. C'mon, man, that doesn't make any sense???
No, there isn't always a hard bottom to every mud pit. Obviously you haven't wheeled in deep stuff yet. Just let some of the Louisiana or Mississippi boys get a wind of this post and let them tell ya. Or how about the Michigan boys???? Dude I have over 700 videos of mud boggin in all shapes and sizes and you'll see trucks on 54" tractor tires wallow completely under, frame to the muck and they still aren't touching bottom. But what do I know????
Yes, you do wanna get the truck frame up, and you wanna get the body up for mud. That's a given, but 1 or 2 inches off a lip of an axle? Dude, get a grip. It's not gonna be the single deciding factor in your forward motion stopping. IT CAN BE AN ELEMENT, I'll cede that.
Now leave me alone. If you can't talk civil or without an attitude, don't bother.
Manny
MaxPF
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Geez, this is turning into a big pissing contest
Back to the topic at hand. He already has 8 lug wheels, right? He plans to put a D60 under the front, rught? 14bff, end of discussion
Back to the topic at hand. He already has 8 lug wheels, right? He plans to put a D60 under the front, rught? 14bff, end of discussion
MuddinManny
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iwaxmyjimmy said:
Huh? Can you please explain this to me?
Manny
beater_k20
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lift a FF, then lift a SF. now does it make any sense?MuddinManny said:
i live 9 miles from Michigan. its not that much different here. i have yet to see a mud hole that goes directly to the core of the planet, there is something solid there, SOMEWHERE.
they're videos you saw on the internet. how do you know they're not touching the bottom
we're not talking about the lip of an axle, we're talking a 700# axle, versus a significantly lighter axle. being the starter of this thread, i figured you'd have enough brains to figure that out. so much for my high expectations.
http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.bae.ncsu.edu/mission_history/old_photos/tobacco_pickers/images/tobacco_picker-2_jpg.jpg&usg=__fxbOBGiw3ud0HC-_1_2VjGHEIDU= Rear tires are driving by hydraulic motors. I'm goin' draw a diagram to explain it.
nvm, its hurting my head. But, assuming you know how a hydraulic motors work, they have a ridgid chassis and the wheels are powered by hydro motors. So, you can literally make it as tall as your longest hyrdo hoses (givin pressure drop from the length).
nvm, its hurting my head. But, assuming you know how a hydraulic motors work, they have a ridgid chassis and the wheels are powered by hydro motors. So, you can literally make it as tall as your longest hyrdo hoses (givin pressure drop from the length).
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MuddinManny
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1. The argument is that the FF outweighs in strength, performance, economics and won't leave you stranded, as a SF will. Again, you miss the point of the thread-why spend $$$ on SF when you can get a FF for the same price and have a better axle. You don't seem to understand that there is a trade-off with full size rigs between strength and weight. If you want a lighter axle, yeah, go SF. But you loose every advantage that a FF will give and then some. Okay, so you may gain what 100 - 150 pounds difference in a FF, then if you ran a SF. C'mon Jeremy, 150, I'll even give you 300 pounds is NOT a significant weight gain/reduction on a 5000 pound vehicle. It's 6%! And that 6% in weight reduction on the axle, will be eaten up by heavier tires, such as boggers, or how about a 9000-16.5Ti winch. Let's add a roll cage, or let's see, tools, spare tire, gas cans, water cans, etc. Dude, you're nickel and diming. It's a freakin' wash!beater_k20 said:lift a FF, then lift a SF. now does it make any sense?
i live 9 miles from Michigan. its not that much different here. i have yet to see a mud hole that goes directly to the core of the planet, there is something solid there, SOMEWHERE.
they're videos you saw on the internet. how do you know they're not touching the bottom
we're not talking about the lip of an axle, we're talking a 700# axle, versus a significantly lighter axle. being the starter of this thread, i figured you'd have enough brains to figure that out. so much for my high expectations.
2. One of my fellow battle buddies is from Michigan and wheeled regularly with MichiganRednecks, GotMUD, and all the others. He's wrenched with the best of them, and I'm talking about big bad ass big blocks, 800+HP, and 54's. He's been and seen what those videos showed. He's wheeled those exact spots. He's buried his K5 where there has been no bottom. He's been there, done that. Okay, yeah, there is a bottom, but not where the truck can reach it. Not where any known truck or rig can reach it. That's the definition of B-O-T-T-O-M-L-E-S-S.
3. Just remember, smartass, when you point a finger, you have 3 and a thumb lookin' back at ya.
Manny
MuddinManny
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iwaxmyjimmy said:
No, you don't have to. I just never head or seen something like that before. Nice sense of humor...
MuddinManny said:
HAHAHAHA!!!! "Vagasil, aisle 4....vagasil, aisle 4!"
Damn, dude....LIGHTEN UP!! Wow! What're you gonna file?? "Officer, arrest this man!!! He's being rude!" Go take a vacation, man....chill out.
beater_k20
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no, its not a wash. we're not talking about a mondo tired rig, we're talking about a rig that is destined to have 35s on it, by the owner's own admission. there is no need for a FF, its unnecessary weight. for that matter, there's no need for a 60 either. he's falling into the bigger is better trap, like so many of us do, myself included.MuddinManny said:
so he no longer has a K5. because if there is no bottom, it sunk directly to the core of the planet. there HAS to be a bottom somewhere.
did your teacher teach you that at school today?
I edited my post, and also I love the movie Me, Myself, And Irene lol. Killing the cow is my favorite part.
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