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IH scout 800

Part of it is my shop lighting part of it is my ancient camera. I'll try to pry my wife's phone away to take my next round of pics, it takes better pictures than anything I've got.

So far I've got the passenger side finished and real close to getting the driver side complete.

I keep coming up with ideas to redo the bed area too but then I kinda feel like after I finish this, I'm never welding again.
 
So I weighed everything out on my scales, cut out 155 lbs of rusty metal and replaced it with 225 lbs of clean new metal. So I added roughly 70 lbs plus about 15 lbs of wire through my welder. Not as bad as I expected considering all the 3/16 plate I added.
 
Im not 100% sure why I have a build thread since Im so terrible at taking pictures but I do have an update. Got the scout mostly put together and decided it was time for a shake down run as it hasn't left my property since I put in the dana 60. I think we may have shook it a little too hard as I ended up with a long walk and a long afternoon dragging it out of the woods.

We decided to take on a trail that follows a creek bed that is near our house. This is normally about a 2.5 hr ride if there's no breakage or stops for pics. My wife does have a few waterfall pics Ill try and steal to post up later. Now let this be a lesson to those that like me go for rides alone and if it wasn't for my extensive knowledge of the area and familiarity with hiking it I probably wouldn't go alone but I feel pretty comfortable as I spend the majority of the winter hiking up and down these mountains in search of groceries, a.k.a. Deer. So we packed up tools and spares and ice chest full of water and snacks and set out.

Most of trail went without a hitch but as we made the last creek crossing the front passenger tire slid down the rock ledge and into a v-notch. Upon impact I heard the tale-tale kapow of a broken axle shaft and my first instinct is "wtf, Im running a dana 60 with 35s, this shouldn't happen" but as we progressed I soon realized that the "kapow" came from a little further back. Upon exiting the creek bed the scout ceased all forward movement, the engine revved and the smell of hydraulic fluid filled the air. I crawled out to find what I feared the most. We had to use the winch to drag the scout up out of the way. With no hope of a trail repair, no cell phone service and no help, walking was the only way and since we were at the bottom of the mountain, up was the only direction. My wife did not feel the need for both of us to make the uphill journey and Im much faster by myself so she agreed to stay with the scout while I made the hike.

I grabbed some water from the ice chest and set out on my journey to find cell phone service. As it turns out not only did I have to walk up hill but I had to walk all the way up hill, that is 4.5 miles uphill to the very peak to find cell phone service. I finally reached the top after an hour of vigorous walking and shortly after I made the call for a ride I met some fourwheeler riders that were stopped for a break. I no longer needed a ride, as I now had one coming, so I sat and chatted with them until my ride showed up. We drove back down the hill and picked up my wife and back to the house. As it turns out all my friends with a 4x4 capable of reaching the scout and pulling it out were out of town. To make matters worse, my 85 gmc with one tons and lockers had a bad fuel pump. With no other option I dropped the 3/4 full tank of fuel, installed a new pump and put the tank back in. Hooked up the trailer and away we went.

Had to leave the trailer at the trail head and drive the truck to the scout. Once there right off the bat I had to winch the scout sideways to get it off of a rock that was in the way. My wife drove the scout while I pulled here in my truck stopping ever so often to drag the scout around a tree with the winch. It took us 1.5 hours to go 1/4 of a mile. Once back at the road I hooked back to the trailer and loaded the scout and back to the house. Our 2.5 hour trail ride turned into a 9 hour adventure and on to some carnage pics.

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This makes the 4th and final time I have broken this transmission case. #1 was the top corner where the t-case adapter bolts on, caused by loose bolts, #2 was directly in front of #1 but a bigger chunk broke, caused by improper mounting that was too rigid, #3 was the corner of the bellhousing when it bound up during installation, and #4 was the whole tailhousing caused by hard bottoming out of a driveshaft that was too long. All stuff that could have been prevented.

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My driveshaft checked fine when testing in the lab but real world conditions but a stress on it that I didn't mimic. Live and learn.

Oh and my new picture taking device should be here tomorrow so the pics should get better.
 
Not sure what's going back in its place. I've got an np241 that I planned on sye, but since I broke the tranny it was going to attach to I don't know. I've got another case I could swap the guts into but I'd want to at least replace clutches and seals while it was apart. Then add the cost of the sye kit and I really need new shifters since my homemade junk doesn't work to well.

What Im mostly leaning towards is saving the 241 for my 85 gmc (the tow truck) and putting in the granny tranny and IH divorced tcase that I've got. That would solve my sye and shifter dilemma. Plus the whole time I was walking I was thinking that even if I broke an old 4spd I could have most likely still driven it out.

I also considered that if I go with divorced tcase I could have a driveshaft that fits the 2wd tranny to rear end. That way if tcase fails I can pull it and still have 2wd.
 
Sounds like quite an adventure!



I also considered that if I go with divorced tcase I could have a driveshaft that fits the 2wd tranny to rear end. That way if tcase fails I can pull it and still have 2wd.

Is a t-case failure something that you're likely to run into? Seems they are a fairly low-risk piece of the rig, comparatively. :dunno:
 
Well as long as its mounted correctly and the driveshaft isnt too long than no, not really. In fact this is the first np208 I've broken and it was caused by the driveshaft being too long.
 
Well as long as its mounted correctly and the driveshaft isnt too long than no, not really. In fact this is the first np208 I've broken and it was caused by the driveshaft being too long.

So why wouldn't you just mount up a 208/241 to the 4-speed?

Assuming it is a compatible GM 4WD 4-speed (not sure about that).
 
Because I would have to buy stuff to mate them together:D

I have np208s and the np241 that are 27 spline. I have 1 10 spline np205 with adapter and coupling. Then I have 1 32 spline sm465 and 1 2wd sm465. And an IH divorce tcase with all the driveshafts and mounts.

Only way I can cheap out and not buy additional parts is to use the divorce case.:D

Of course I'll have to have some clutch parts to put in a 4 speed so I'm gonna have to spend some money anyway.
 
Because I would have to buy stuff to mate them together:D

I have np208s and the np241 that are 27 spline. I have 1 10 spline np205 with adapter and coupling. Then I have 1 32 spline sm465 and 1 2wd sm465. And an IH divorce tcase with all the driveshafts and mounts.

Only way I can cheap out and not buy additional parts is to use the divorce case.:D

Of course I'll have to have some clutch parts to put in a 4 speed so I'm gonna have to spend some money anyway.

This is, in my opinion, the quintessential zero-dollar build. :thumb: Every time you take it apart it seems like you get it back together for approximately no dollars. :bow: I was kinda shocked when you decided to buy the 1-ton axles. That must have more than doubled the cumulative cost of the build. :eek1:

Carry on, and share lots of pictures. I like this build. :saweet:
 
so I'm terrible at updates and reading through this makes me realize how long it's been so here we go.

Ended up building a th400 with Kevlar clutches, transgo shift kit, roller drum with 36 element sprag etc and np203 (doubler in the future)

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Went on a trip and though I normally avoid the mud holes something possessed me to drive through one. Made it fine but wife wanted pics and video. Second trip through I moved left a bit and stuck like a lawn dart.

Can't get my video to upload but the I almost rolled over trying to winch out. Had my buddy with his blazer on 38s and we were able to get it out. Starter filled up with mud and sticks so we had to tear it apart and clean it out with muddy water but all else was good, or so it seamed.

When I got home I drained the oil and it was black with glitter. Put new oil in and that's when I heard the knocking. Pulled the motor and found out that the radiator support had buckled in and was squishing the radiator so I cut it all out.

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So while the motor was out I wanted to change a few things and build better tranny mounts. Got frustrated with my cobbled up frame and some other issues, one thing let to another and I began a frame off restoration.

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All new ruffstuff spring hangers, lots of frame plating and Chevy truck body mounts. Pay special attention to the scout body in the background. Flipped it over in my shop to fix some floor issues.

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Got frame finished and I'm primer and started putting the puzzle back together

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So it sat like this for a couple months cause I got a new job working for a university that I was very excited to get but I had to buy a car to make the drive and get paid by the month so I went a month with no income but now things are back on track.

Got motor apart and took crank the machine shop. Guy said crank was already .030/.030 even though it was stamped .020/.010. And looks like it was lubed with valve grinding compound. That tells me I got dirt/grit in the oil somehow but regardless I feel with the shape the crank is in I need to possibly do a full rebuild even though it's a low mileage motor. Oh well, it is what it is. But I'm looking for a good shortblock to use with my top end and build this one for my old truck.

Anyways be slaving away at the body work. Fenders and grill were mangled and had a poor fit plus lots of cracks so I welded them together and solved all those issues. Body sits lower on the frame so if you look closely at the grill/fender seam you can see how much I cut off the bottom of the grill.
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Also had to cut out bed floor so I decided to build recessed propane tank mounts
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So this is where I am today. Replacing full hydro with hydro assist, I really like driving this thing and the hydro assist will be better on the street. Plan to have all the body work complete, steering hooked up and wiring harness done by the end of the year. Then I'll just need a motor and shock mounts and I'll be ready to go again.

So here's some specs on what I've changed that I hope will make it better.

Motor tranny and t-case were raised 4 inches and moved 4 inches back. This increased my belly pan height from 17" to 21" and gave the clearance for a drag link under the motor.

Front axle was pushed 4 inches forward. And I changed from 56" springs back to yj 44" springs for better approach.

Suspension was dropped 2", body was dropped 3". So I lost 5" overall height but gained 4" belly pan clearance. It has cost me a lot of work but the frame will be much stronger and I should have much better cog and clearance.
 
Not sure where in the trsnsmission that massive chain went. It is nice to see that you are working on it.

That's the upgraded linkage for the parking pawl.

It's actually the smallest thing I could find to pull the pump with.

And yes it is no longer a zero dollar build. It is now the most expensive vehicle I own next to my 06 2500hd.
 
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