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I'm lazy who has the best crossover steering

ORD has a good setup. If you wait until December they have a 10% off Xmas sale. Maybe pick up the complete Xover kit when it is on sale?
The PSC components are top notch.
 
I like my crossover and hydro assist. Arms are important, I am on my third set. I had to get the clearance that would work the best. Another thing that comes up is the decision of whether you will use tie rod ends (TRE) or Heims. I have heard good and bad on both. I have heims on mine and been running them for 8 years with no issues.

If you plan on running off road hard, low gears, big tires then you might even consider upgraded knuckles over stock like dedenbears. I also have to say all of my stuff from ORD has been top notch and they stand behind their products, also a Colorado Company which I like.

My high steer and crossover arms were made custom by a company that was local to me so I am no help there, but thick wall small diameter helps.

Very nice truck!!
 
beags86 said:
Wow, you guys sure aren't very nice to someone who really doesn't want to type out a lengthy message on their Ipad.

Its seems that we have some comprehension issues on here, if you READ my posts I was looking for VALUE.

My last thoughts to those of you that wish to be rude. And also to those that fill my thread with posts that add no value. Which most of the posts on the 2nd page add no technical value.

An online forum is suppose to be a community to go share and HELP others that have have the same interests as you. A forum is only as strong as it memebers, as otherwise it's just a page on the net.

They have been setup to ENJOY the sport we love. Not being willing to help someone with less experience was never the intent, in fact it was the exact opposite. Looks like this site might be a bit lost in that aspect
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You brought this on yourself. :shame:



A subject line that starts out: "I'm lazy.... " sets off a lot of alarm bells for most of the old-timers around here. Too lazy to even search on a topic as common as crossover steering? I appreciate the honesty, but why should anyone else waste their valuable time responding to you? :doah:

The original question was poorly framed, and lacked basic information that anyone would need to offer good advice. The followup answers weren't much better.


Here are a few suggestions:

1. If you are truly too lazy to search or type on an iPad, just buy a complete kit from a reputable manufacturer and be done. In terms of "Value" you will have strong componentry that is properly matched and will have the correct geometry to give you full lock-to-lock steering without creating interferences between the draglink and tie rod, leafsprings or whatever.

2. Value can be a nebulous term.... in what way do you assign value to a product? Many crossover steering kits will work, some better than others. If a cheaper kit doesn't give you full steering, but costs 1/2 as much as other solutions is THAT an acceptable tradeoff? Does your time have any value? Does cobbling together a solution from disparate sources qualify as "value" if you spend hours of your own time researching and modifying parts to fit?

3. Humility can be a valuable thing. If you started your post by saying "Hey look, I really don't understand much about what makes a one crossover steering kit better than another...." I'm sure the discussion would have gone much differently. If you had shared that you already own a set of ORD steering arms (kind of an important detail to omit) the advice would have been more focused as well.




-G
 
Hey look, I really don't understand much about what makes a one crossover steering kit better than another....
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I will agree that something like this ^ (from Greg's post) would have brought dramatically different answers with way more tech info.
 
I posted a well thought out reply in your other thread, cause it felt more scencere (sp?). But we have all read a question or two in our time that is so general and detail-less that it's gotta end up being some kid or spammer asking it. And many times, the OP doesn't reply to the help given. In those cases, ya feel kinda used or like you just lost that time you put into replying.

So, here's my well thought out reply for this topic.
You need to start will quality arms. If you are going to run BIG tires and wheel it properly, you will want to consider "springless" arms. Mine are WFO springless. They will hold up better and stay tighter longer than a king pin spring type arm. Depending on regular or high steer crossover, you will want to buy arms for that. High steer needs to have matching arms.

Everything else is just tubing. WFO has tube inserts you can weld into the end for your tubing so you can have threads. I have this, works great. My tierod is the massive ORD HD one, with the .375 wall thickness. It's been bashed but still holds straight.

As for the draglink... we need to know your lift hieght. One of those details ya gotta provide. A low lift will not need a bent draglink. In fact, I had to sell mine after finding out my 4" lift wasn't happy with it. A low lift only needs a straight draglink, so tubing and those threaded inserts works perfectly.

PS> I just typed this from a glitchy iPhone 4. You get what you're willing to give.
 
Also, with a low lift set up, you will want a straighter pitman arm. The standard "go to" arm drops down too far for a 4" or small lift. I got my straight arm from ORD after again selling the first piece I put on.
 
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rude?


Doesn't matter I didn't ask for arms. I was talking about the crossover drag link and a high steer which also does not matter which axle.
I didn't realize this was pirate.
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you deserved anything you fuggin got with a post like that....
 
lesson learned.. on to the next stoning.. enjoy your stay... :D
 
I couldn't find a crossover system I liked. So I went dual crossover. Has also been called cantilever crossover.
 
It's actually a big subject, and as years go by more and more players in the market.

Arms, there are the type that use the spring still. There are 'springless'. Most now are tapped for the 5th hole in case you use aftermarket knuckles. Some will give you nothing more than parallel steering, some have correct ackerman. Then there are arms so you can run reverse hi-steer.

ORD doesn't have springless arms. They're good arms, but unless I've missed it on their site they don't do a springless arm with the set screw like a few others do. They do offer a KP spring eliminator, which I feel has a lot of merit. The springless sounds good initially but becomes another maintenance check point.

Regardless of brand, I would suggest aftermarket knuckles if you're gonna run hi-steer. That configuration does add stress to the knuckles.

My advice, read the info the various manufacturers have on their sites. Take some notes if there is stuff you don't understand and ask for more info here. Then you can narrow your search based on knowledge, rather than hoping for a magic bullet answer here. There isn't a clear front runner IMO. They all have their merits and their differences.

As someone shopping for X-over and hi steer myself I'm currently leaning towards NWF's hi-steer with Dedenbear knuckles. Still not made up my mind 100% though.
 
beags86 said:
Listen guys, I buried the dead horse. I took the blame and then shared a few thoughts. (which I think I am allowed to do as much you guys are allowed to flame me)
I Tried to right the ship as one poster put it.
It's time for you guys to quit beating the horse I buried.

I put together a thought-out post. Sorry I forgot to say which lift I was running. I hadn't thought of it as a huge factor. (4 in")
like I admitted, I am new to crossover steering.

So the question is, will I continue to be flamed, or will I be a part of the community?
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You can be a part of the community if you leave the Pirate attitude at the door. Just sayin.
 
Skip high steer. If you are concerned about hurting your body (nothing wrong with that), you definitely aren't going to need high steer.

Why add the cost, extra stress on parts, clearance issues, etc, for a completely unnecessary add on?



As you can see, I hesitate to bash into very few things, and my heavy duty tie rod in the stock position has never been a problem.

Martin
 
Then just get a heavy duty aftermarket tie rod, and run it in the stock location

There is doing it right the first time, and there is spending money on excessive unnecessary parts because it seems cool.

Martin
 
Why?

You are just making things more difficult for yourself.

Martin
 
I have ORD's crossover with HD tie rod in the stock location, and I put my own homebrewed assist set up on it. The ram is tucked pretty nicely behind the tie rod and I have never had a problem. And mine is a wheeler only. Looking at what you will use that truck for, I have to agree with Martin on this one. Seems pretty pointless to go high steer and have additional wear and costs to accomplish it, just to get the tie rod/ram up higher when you don't plan to wheel that hard with it (not to say that can't change in the future, but just going off what you said your intentions are for the truck)
 
I have hydro assist with reverse high steer and it's very cozy up under there. I'm running soft 4" springs with a zero rate so even at 5" of lift it's difficult to package. I regularly have contact despite my bump stops best efforts to stop it.

 
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