Well, Im always down to help out Scott. See you next year.
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Just a few thoughts on BB'10...
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Ok... My two cents... I happen to LOVE the Trifecta, one of my favorites. I have yet to finish it in the daylight, and I'm just dandy with that 
Having said that, my thought on the Trifecta is that we need a 6am departure time! Not a meet here at 8, then go there and air down time. An actual on the dirt by 6, not 6:01, DEPARTURE time! Scott, I am ABSOLUTELY willing to lead if anyone is willing to follow. 
I just don't wanna loose the opportunity to run the whole thing! The other option is to have a "split" group, the loonies can run the whole way, those who don't desire that, can turn back @ The Crack... (Poetry.....) Problem with that would be needing a return trip leader leader 
My other thought is that if "we" limit the "newbies" to only easy trails, they will have a slower learning curve. I never wanted to go all the way to Moab and be told; you arent skilled/experienced enough to run this trail.... We need to figure out the sorta "balance" point, and we might never get there.
Hope I made myself clear
And D*** it SUCKED not being there this year
Having said that, my thought on the Trifecta is that we need a 6am departure time! Not a meet here at 8, then go there and air down time. An actual on the dirt by 6, not 6:01, DEPARTURE time! Scott, I am ABSOLUTELY willing to lead if anyone is willing to follow. I just don't wanna loose the opportunity to run the whole thing! The other option is to have a "split" group, the loonies can run the whole way, those who don't desire that, can turn back @ The Crack... (Poetry.....) Problem with that would be needing a return trip leader leader My other thought is that if "we" limit the "newbies" to only easy trails, they will have a slower learning curve. I never wanted to go all the way to Moab and be told; you arent skilled/experienced enough to run this trail.... We need to figure out the sorta "balance" point, and we might never get there.
Hope I made myself clear
And D*** it SUCKED not being there this year
I would rather run poison, turn around, and go run pritchett in the same day, and still be back early enough to think about a night run.
Did someone say night run???
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I don't think we need to give up on a Golden Spike run (btw, has anyone noticed that I don't like the 'Trifecta' label...?). As I stated before, I've run Golden Spike every time I've attended CruiseMoab (5 years now...), and I've yet to come out in the dark. They run a group size of 16, but insist on lockers f/r on that trail, and practice an 0800 sharp departure. There is also not much time allotted for playing on obstacles, since there's a long ways to go. It also reflects a different attitude towards that trail, with the focus on making it through efficiently.
At BB'10, we were trying to be nice, and waited when some guy showed up just to tell us he needed to get gas... how long does it take to run up to Mavericks real quick and fill up, right? Next thing you know, it's almost 10am when we're leaving... and that was probably the first mistake I made on that day, not pushing for a sharp departure. But along the sentiment that Travis stated, we're not trying to exclude anyone...
This is not to say that a 'Crack'n Back' run doesn't have it's merits, as it clearly allows more play time on the obstacles. I just personally like Golden Spike trail itself...
I am very happy to see that so many people take an interest in this thread, and that so many have said they'll be back next year, and offered their help. I think that's a great sign for the future of this event.
At BB'10, we were trying to be nice, and waited when some guy showed up just to tell us he needed to get gas... how long does it take to run up to Mavericks real quick and fill up, right? Next thing you know, it's almost 10am when we're leaving... and that was probably the first mistake I made on that day, not pushing for a sharp departure. But along the sentiment that Travis stated, we're not trying to exclude anyone...
This is not to say that a 'Crack'n Back' run doesn't have it's merits, as it clearly allows more play time on the obstacles. I just personally like Golden Spike trail itself...
I am very happy to see that so many people take an interest in this thread, and that so many have said they'll be back next year, and offered their help. I think that's a great sign for the future of this event.
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I don't think we need to limit newbs from doing the harder trails, just a pre-run on a 3 or something to break (us) in to driving these kind of trails....Like a trail school kinda thing to learn how to be more efficient at taking the right line, when to throttle up, brake, etc. etc. I don't like the idea of holding up a group because I don't have the experience in big rock trails, but I still would like to run them with the group. Running a level 3 or something on Thursday or Friday, would make for a better run on a 4 or 5 on Sat. or Sun. Just a thought. Sorry but I just don't have that stuff here in MI. or a rig capable of doing them anyway. (Til the IronMaiden is done anyway)
I like the pic idea...sounds like some oohs and ahhhs, along with a few laughs.
I like the pic idea...sounds like some oohs and ahhhs, along with a few laughs.
Hmm, you and Dan Mick both. He didn't like it when I used that term either....
Sorry I couldn't resist. 
Funny you mention that, there are some "behind the scenes" discussions of just such a thing. The big thing the get across to Moab newbies is the infamous "Moab bump".
I like what Travis suggests for a 6AM Trifecta run. It's kind of a "hardcore" run in the fact that it's a long day on a challenging series of trails so it deserves a "hardcore" start time. Travis if you will lead it, I will offer it. I actually thought some about excluding the Trifecta this year but a lot of people posted up they were really looking forward to running it this year. It would be nice if we can figure out a way to do it. We can offer a 6AM Trifecta and then a regular start for something like Gold Bar with a run to the Crack and back; maybe call that the "Crack 'n' Back" run.
Michael alluded to the yearly trail selections. I have 2 goals each year. 1 goal is to offer something for all levels of truck/driver capabilities and the other is to try and offer different trails each year. The one exception being that we usually always have Pritchett and Hell's Revenge usually seems to make the list as well. Michael is always great with offering up some good choices for trails each year with all the experience he has in the area and I think we do pretty good at meeting the goals I have.
I'd be willing to lead a 6AM Trifecta run as well if Travis can't make it or doesn't want to lead. 
...or has another baby...
Hmm, you and Dan Mick both. He didn't like it when I used that term either....
Funny you mention that, there are some "behind the scenes" discussions of just such a thing. The big thing the get across to Moab newbies is the infamous "Moab bump".
I like what Travis suggests for a 6AM Trifecta run. It's kind of a "hardcore" run in the fact that it's a long day on a challenging series of trails so it deserves a "hardcore" start time. Travis if you will lead it, I will offer it. I actually thought some about excluding the Trifecta this year but a lot of people posted up they were really looking forward to running it this year. It would be nice if we can figure out a way to do it. We can offer a 6AM Trifecta and then a regular start for something like Gold Bar with a run to the Crack and back; maybe call that the "Crack 'n' Back" run.
Michael alluded to the yearly trail selections. I have 2 goals each year. 1 goal is to offer something for all levels of truck/driver capabilities and the other is to try and offer different trails each year. The one exception being that we usually always have Pritchett and Hell's Revenge usually seems to make the list as well. Michael is always great with offering up some good choices for trails each year with all the experience he has in the area and I think we do pretty good at meeting the goals I have.
Scott, I didn't get to meet you this year, we were in the rear of the first group on the Trifecta....but next year I will hunt you down.
more thoughts from a newb.
There is enough obstacles to challenge everyone, but being a newb to big rock wheeling adds to that alot. As far as registration goes, I don't think the trails are rated in the registration, perhaps that would be a help. I would prefer to start on maybe a 3, then do a 4 and a 5 after some seat time in my own rig to know how it and I work together. (Of course I need to finish the build first) I will be running a stage 3 quad, so I'm hoping for the best without having to run a FI setup on my BBC. This would also allow me some time with knowing what to expect out of a carb on higher level wheeling than what I'm used to in MI.
They are rated on the blazerbash.com. In trail descriptions. http://blazerbash.com/trails.html
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OK, you want it, you got it.
I've benn running Blazer bash since it started and you guys are way out of control.
I remember back in the day when I could have said JMS or others couldn't run a trail because his truck wasn't up to it. Did I? Hell no. My job was to walk him along with many other trucks through obsticals without hurting anything. Did I? Hell yes.
I'm not saying that they wouldn't break but I tried my best so they didn't.
Sure, every year some guys come out with trucks that are falling a part and we need to fix them to keep them going. Is that right? Hell NO!! Sure, so tech. inspections would be a good idea. If we had them in the Trifecta wouldn't have turned out like it did. Should we get rid of it? Should we get rid of Blazer Bash? NO!!!
I've been here since the begining and I know someone will bring a truck out that can't do a trail or someone like Mtn. Man will kick it until it breaks. What do you do? Tell them to never come back? No, you work it out and make the best of it.
If you want to lay down the laws, fine. If you want to eliminate the trifecta, I'll run it without you. I've done it every year so far. Sure I understand Michaels choice to turn around but I had a group that want to go on and so did I. Yes we got out late, yes we made some wrong turns and had to back up but I would NEVER lead anyone into danger, no mater how long it takes. I appreciate Stephen & Brandon being there to help us get out cleaner but would we have made it it out fine? Heck yes.
I asked everyone before we went on if they were up for it and they all said yes.
Getting rid of this run is like getting rid of a part of Blazer Bash.
Back in the day when Fox said Blazer Bash was done, Chaddy and I stepped up and said hell no!! We'll do it without you and we did.
Without us stepping up, Blazer Bash might have endded.
Do I like trucks that haven't been maintained or drivers that only know the skinny pedal? NO. I'd love to kick them off the trail. But it's hard to do if you never leave anyone alone (some have in the past but never me). You need someone to go back with them.
We had a dodge with us that was in bad shape (I'm not holding back even if I piss someone off) and IMO, that truck should have never been with us. POS.
One guys truck also had dumb issues that should have never happened and I wish he turned back to. He also drove his truck too hard. But no matter how well you think your truck is, things happen.
Ask the BIG boys. Everyone of us have things happen, myself included.
That's where the brothership comes in. We are out there to have fun and if needed, help each other out. When you start dumping trails because of a few, you hurt us all.
Every year I want to kick someone off. Every year, I think, this guy is not up to it but I always work with everyone and take many under my wing. (Remember some of you?) Please don't let this complicate things because we are all out there for one thing, to have fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DON'T LET THE TRIFECTA DIE! If you can't run it, stay at home.
Last year we beat the first group out and were out by 5PM. Did we shut it down then becaise they got out at 2:00AM?, no.
Don't forget the guys on other trails that didn't get out until late, did we cut those trails?
I'll add more but I need to eat dinner. Dam, what a long thread.
I only hope I got my point across.
BTW, some of us our getting older and can't deal with problems on the trail but it's not me.
Sorry, but sometimes I need to be IN YOUR FACE. Forgive me
I've benn running Blazer bash since it started and you guys are way out of control.
I remember back in the day when I could have said JMS or others couldn't run a trail because his truck wasn't up to it. Did I? Hell no. My job was to walk him along with many other trucks through obsticals without hurting anything. Did I? Hell yes.
I'm not saying that they wouldn't break but I tried my best so they didn't.
Sure, every year some guys come out with trucks that are falling a part and we need to fix them to keep them going. Is that right? Hell NO!! Sure, so tech. inspections would be a good idea. If we had them in the Trifecta wouldn't have turned out like it did. Should we get rid of it? Should we get rid of Blazer Bash? NO!!!
I've been here since the begining and I know someone will bring a truck out that can't do a trail or someone like Mtn. Man will kick it until it breaks. What do you do? Tell them to never come back? No, you work it out and make the best of it.
If you want to lay down the laws, fine. If you want to eliminate the trifecta, I'll run it without you. I've done it every year so far. Sure I understand Michaels choice to turn around but I had a group that want to go on and so did I. Yes we got out late, yes we made some wrong turns and had to back up but I would NEVER lead anyone into danger, no mater how long it takes. I appreciate Stephen & Brandon being there to help us get out cleaner but would we have made it it out fine? Heck yes.
I asked everyone before we went on if they were up for it and they all said yes.
Getting rid of this run is like getting rid of a part of Blazer Bash.
Back in the day when Fox said Blazer Bash was done, Chaddy and I stepped up and said hell no!! We'll do it without you and we did.
Without us stepping up, Blazer Bash might have endded.
Do I like trucks that haven't been maintained or drivers that only know the skinny pedal? NO. I'd love to kick them off the trail. But it's hard to do if you never leave anyone alone (some have in the past but never me). You need someone to go back with them.
We had a dodge with us that was in bad shape (I'm not holding back even if I piss someone off) and IMO, that truck should have never been with us. POS.
One guys truck also had dumb issues that should have never happened and I wish he turned back to. He also drove his truck too hard. But no matter how well you think your truck is, things happen.
Ask the BIG boys. Everyone of us have things happen, myself included.
That's where the brothership comes in. We are out there to have fun and if needed, help each other out. When you start dumping trails because of a few, you hurt us all.
Every year I want to kick someone off. Every year, I think, this guy is not up to it but I always work with everyone and take many under my wing. (Remember some of you?) Please don't let this complicate things because we are all out there for one thing, to have fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DON'T LET THE TRIFECTA DIE! If you can't run it, stay at home.
Last year we beat the first group out and were out by 5PM. Did we shut it down then becaise they got out at 2:00AM?, no.
Don't forget the guys on other trails that didn't get out until late, did we cut those trails?
I'll add more but I need to eat dinner. Dam, what a long thread.
I only hope I got my point across.
BTW, some of us our getting older and can't deal with problems on the trail but it's not me.
Sorry, but sometimes I need to be IN YOUR FACE. Forgive me
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dustin.dstroya.montoya
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Well said, Dave.
We had a great time with you leading us, even though IT GOT DARK
it was a good experiance, i know to bring a flash light from now on. I say the guys that want to cry about it dont sign up for it, its that simple, and by the way thanks for waiting for me
Sorry, jms I am not perfect, one day we might be close to your standards J/K
We had a great time with you leading us, even though IT GOT DARK
it was a good experiance, i know to bring a flash light from now on. I say the guys that want to cry about it dont sign up for it, its that simple, and by the way thanks for waiting for me
Sorry, jms I am not perfect, one day we might be close to your standards
J/K
Preach on brother Dave.
I'd hate to think a recreational event like BB should become so focussed on efficiency and perfection. sometimes wheeling something imperfect, or with skills that are lacking is the fun of it. Adversity, and difficulty make the event IMO. If it was easy, smooth, and 'timely' I think a lot of the fun and stuff would be missing.
That being said, there are limits. In 03 i remember seeing a shortbox square body pick-up on 28" street tires on Pritchet. They pushed it down the steps at the beginning of the trail...I recall it being a metric bastard to get back out through the entrance. It's no wonder Stephen seemed impatient at the time.
Moab breaks sh1t, and polishing the wheeling skills is hard to do if you're not challenging yourself ever.
I never got to wheel with you when i went, but meeting you at the slickrock was definitely cool.
Rene
I'd hate to think a recreational event like BB should become so focussed on efficiency and perfection. sometimes wheeling something imperfect, or with skills that are lacking is the fun of it. Adversity, and difficulty make the event IMO. If it was easy, smooth, and 'timely' I think a lot of the fun and stuff would be missing.
That being said, there are limits. In 03 i remember seeing a shortbox square body pick-up on 28" street tires on Pritchet. They pushed it down the steps at the beginning of the trail...I recall it being a metric bastard to get back out through the entrance. It's no wonder Stephen seemed impatient at the time.
Moab breaks sh1t, and polishing the wheeling skills is hard to do if you're not challenging yourself ever.
I never got to wheel with you when i went, but meeting you at the slickrock was definitely cool.
Rene
Jason4x4
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Even if that is a joke, I don't see it being appropriate. JMS was very civil in everything he said.Sorry, jms I am not perfect, one day we might be close to your standards
dustin.dstroya.montoya
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Even if that is a joke, I don't see it being appropriate. JMS was very civil in everything he said.
So now we are being "unappropriate" for jokes
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I don't think Dustin really meant anything bad about this.
I didn't want to use Micheal in my response either because he is a very good friend.
My point is that if we don't deal with new people that think they're ready,
we will never bring them up and show them what it's all about.
They may think there truck is ready when it's not.
We have stock trucks out there and we should.
I only want everyone to have fun and if I have to deal with a truck that happens to break, no problem. If I have to deal with a truck that's falling apart, problem.
I saw awesome trucks not complete one run but as I say, Stuff happens.
Oh, Thanks Rene.
I didn't want to use Micheal in my response either because he is a very good friend.
My point is that if we don't deal with new people that think they're ready,
we will never bring them up and show them what it's all about.
They may think there truck is ready when it's not.
We have stock trucks out there and we should.
I only want everyone to have fun and if I have to deal with a truck that happens to break, no problem. If I have to deal with a truck that's falling apart, problem.
I saw awesome trucks not complete one run but as I say, Stuff happens.
Oh, Thanks Rene.
