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L18 8.1L swap resource thread

If I remember right they are actually o2’s for a L98 TPI. I think it was in my paperwork for the harness when I got mine.

That’s solely off of memory so double check me on that.
 
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I didn't specify the O2 and this was a harness Matt had in stock. Thanks for the information and part numbers, one step closer......


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Putting an earlier engine in to replace an '03+? Post #1 details the sensor changes. Biggest change was to the throttle body and the later one requires the "S"-shaped oil fill tube. Also, the oil pressure sender changed. I would take all the newer stuff and move it to the older engine to make it an '03+. That's more or less what I did on my Suburban. I show the throttle and oil pressure connectors here: https://ck5.com/forums/threads/quadrasteer-8-1l-suburban-tow-rig.339146/post-4074931.

Or if you're doing a straight 1-1 engine swap, just make sure you have the right cam sensor and the newer crank sensor, maybe re-use the injectors, coils and FPR if they were known good.
 
Swapping a 01-02 engine . . Anything to do before it goes back in ?
If it’s the same year engine no. But like it was mentioned if you are putting a later engine in the cam sensor plug is different. It pins out the same but the orientation tab in the connector is in a different spot.

The later cam sensor connector pigtail is PT2782 (ac Delco). The terminal locations are identical it is just the plug that changes. The terminals within the two plugs are the same part number so if you don’t want to cut and splice the pigtail in you can back the terminals out of the old plug one at a time and pin them into the new connector.

We just went through this on mine as the engine was the later version.
 
Anyone know much about the General 9.0L?


Does it have the 8.8L heads or something different? Intake manifold is definitely different.

4.5” bore and 4.25” stroke. Says it has a cast crankshaft. 9.0L block with a 8.8L crankshaft sounds like it would be a really good starting point.

Looks like you can even get them with a carburetor type intake with a hei distributor.

 
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Anyone know much about the General 9.0L?


Does it have the 8.8L heads or something different? Intake manifold is definitely different.

4.5” bore and 4.25” stroke. Says it has a cast crankshaft. 9.0L block with a 8.8L crankshaft sounds like it would be a really good starting point.

Looks like you can even get them with a carburetor type intake with a hei distributor.

It is unlikely that Generac builds that engine. They are just like countless other genset companies that buy engines from various suppliers. Things get rather convoluted with industrial power but that engine is based on a Gen VI, basically 1996-2000 L21/L29 454. Where things get convoluted is like how PSI builds 8.8L based upon the 8.1L, a competitor of PSI called, Power Integration, began producing the Gen VI around 10 /15 years or so ago under license from GM. That happened before the 8.8L was even born. They offered it in a few different displacements beginning with an 8.0L, which Freightliner used in their school bus and a few medium duty trucks running on propane. This engine was also available through GM Performance Parts. We looked at the PI 8.0L for our school bus line before signing an agreement with PSI for the 8.8L as there was an emissions certification issue for on-road use. In the end, it was never was recertified for on-road use and Freightliner lost access to it.

Where things take an interesting turn is in 2015 PSI purchased Power Integration, but lost track of what became of PI after PSI purchased them. I have not heard that PSI sold the tooling to the 8.0L to anyone else but it is entirely possible. Heck, maybe Generac is a sister company of PSI and is building it. I do know for certain, the 8.0L/9.0L are NOT built in the same plant as the 8.8L in Wooddale, IL. I’ve been to that plant several times and never saw a Gen VI there although there are some really cool other engines stored there.

BTW, you can stick an old school distributor in an 8.1 and 8.8 as well. All you need is a Dart intake with a dizzy hole in it.
 
It is unlikely that Generac builds that engine. They are just like countless other genset companies that buy engines from various suppliers. Things get rather convoluted with industrial power but that engine is based on a Gen VI, basically 1996-2000 L21/L29 454. Where things get convoluted is like how PSI builds 8.8L based upon the 8.1L, a competitor of PSI called, Power Integration, began producing the Gen VI around 10 /15 years or so ago under license from GM. That happened before the 8.8L was even born. They offered it in a few different displacements beginning with an 8.0L, which Freightliner used in their school bus and a few medium duty trucks running on propane. This engine was also available through GM Performance Parts. We looked at the PI 8.0L for our school bus line before signing an agreement with PSI for the 8.8L as there was an emissions certification issue for on-road use. In the end, it was never was recertified for on-road use and Freightliner lost access to it.

Where things take an interesting turn is in 2015 PSI purchased Power Integration, but lost track of what became of PI after PSI purchased them. I have not heard that PSI sold the tooling to the 8.0L to anyone else but it is entirely possible. Heck, maybe Generac is a sister company of PSI and is building it. I do know for certain, the 8.0L/9.0L are NOT built in the same plant as the 8.8L in Wooddale, IL. I’ve been to that plant several times and never saw a Gen VI there although there are some really cool other engines stored there.

BTW, you can stick an old school distributor in an 8.1 and 8.8 as well. All you need is a Dart intake with a dizzy hole in it.
Does the 8.0L and the 9.0L use 8.1L type intake ports or 8.8L type?

The Dart intake isn’t in production anymore. The 9.0L carburetor intake is really what I am more interested in especially if it uses the 8.8L square ports.
 
Does the 8.0L and the 9.0L use 8.1L type intake ports or 8.8L type?

The Dart intake isn’t in production anymore. The 9.0L carburetor intake is really what I am more interested in especially if it uses the 8.8L square ports.
I can't answer that, as I've never seen a 8.0 or 9.0 with the intake off. Their port injected intake did look much different from the L29 so I suspect the ports are entirely different in the same way the 8.8 intake ports are different from the 8.1. Although, the L29 heads may go on a 8.0/9.0 in the same way the 8.1 heads can go on an 8.8. Their just big kid Legos :waytogo:

Interesting about the Dart intake. I personally would have never bought one to drop a toilet carburetor and ancient distributor in a late model engine but I could see the desire to do so. There was a guy in the Facebook Group that did a carb and dizzy in a 70 Chevelle SS and it looked 99% period correct without the unsightly coil packs on the valve covers. That was cool
 
I can't answer that, as I've never seen a 8.0 or 9.0 with the intake off. Their port injected intake did look much different from the L29 so I suspect the ports are entirely different in the same way the 8.8 intake ports are different from the 8.1. Although, the L29 heads may go on a 8.0/9.0 in the same way the 8.1 heads can go on an 8.8. Their just big kid Legos :waytogo:

Interesting about the Dart intake. I personally would have never bought one to drop a toilet carburetor and ancient distributor in a late model engine but I could see the desire to do so. There was a guy in the Facebook Group that did a carb and dizzy in a 70 Chevelle SS and it looked 99% period correct without the unsightly coil packs on the valve covers. That was cool
I wouldn’t put a carburetor on it either. Just wanted the classic looks really. Would machine the intake for injectors and run a throttle body. I would rather use the 8.8L heads and I was hoping that is what the 9.0L uses.
 
I wouldn’t put a carburetor on it either. Just wanted the classic looks really. Would machine the intake for injectors and run a throttle body. I would rather use the 8.8L heads and I was hoping that is what the 9.0L uses.
Unortunately, I doubt 8.8 heads would fit on the 8.0/9.0 being its Gen VI based. The 8.1/8.8 use two additional head bolts on each head than the older Gen VI. You might ask around the 8.8L Facebook group though. There are quite a few guys kitbashing big blocks of all generations there. The group is called "8.8L PSI Big Block Chevy World". Those dudes are probably familiar with this 9.0 too, especially a guy named Hank Slocum....seriously, that's his name :haha:
 
I guess my ignorance got the best of me. I totally overlooked the Gen VI eventhough you pointed it out. I was just assuming that the 9.0L was the Gen VII or whatever the 8.1L and 8.8L are.

I read everything I see that Hank talks about. You, Hank, Josh, and the guy that builds the accessory brackets are the main ones I try to read everything they have to say.
 
Reading a little more about them and saw where they are supposed to have a large oval intake port. I guess they are indeed Gen VI.
 
You have a lot more cylinder head, crankshaft, intake manifold, and other part options with the Gen VI than you do with the Gen VII anyway. You can build a 10.4L Mark IV or Gen VI BBC with the similar external dimensions and block deck height as the 8100. I built one several years back now and used MPFI and CnP ignition, a great engine.

You can build a 8.9 - 9.0L engine (540 or 548) with a shorter deck height than the 8100 using just a std 502 BBC block.
 
You have a lot more cylinder head, crankshaft, intake manifold, and other part options with the Gen VI than you do with the Gen VII anyway. You can build a 10.4L Mark IV or Gen VI BBC with the similar external dimensions and block deck height as the 8100. I built one several years back now and used MPFI and CnP ignition, a great engine.

You can build a 8.9 - 9.0L engine (540 or 548) with a shorter deck height than the 8100 using just a std 502 BBC block.
I still have some parts from a Mark IV Merlin block 632 that I ran years ago. The thing that I like about the 8.8L is the block, crank and heads are really good in factory form. Just rework the heads, use some inexpensive 6.7000 BBC rods and off the shelf pistons and you have a really nice 535 that I don’t think a Gen VI big block can accomplish for any where near the same cost. The only real problem is there are pretty much no aftermarket intakes available for it. You can get a 8.8L off of eBay for $1200 that the block can usually just be honed and the crank polished.
 
I still have some parts from a Mark IV Merlin block 632 that I ran years ago. The thing that I like about the 8.8L is the block, crank and heads are really good in factory form. Just rework the heads, use some inexpensive 6.7000 BBC rods and off the shelf pistons and you have a really nice 535 that I don’t think a Gen VI big block can accomplish for any where near the same cost. The only real problem is there are pretty much no aftermarket intakes available for it. You can get a 8.8L off of eBay for $1200 that the block can usually just be honed and the crank polished.
What parts are left?

The 8100s are excellent for low RPM torque in a truck yes, they have more stroke from the factory and the heads are decent. However, the small bores and limited head flow along with the extra weight of iron heads are not the best for all around performance. Then your better off with a set of aluminum heads, and once you go there a Gen VI or earlier has a lot more options for heads and intakes.
 
I think I only have the block and a set of rods. I may have some of the ignition. I traded all of the really good parts off years ago.

The 8.1L heads flow horribly bad but the 8.8L heads are really pretty good once you put bigger valves and just a little bit of porting.
 
I think I only have the block and a set of rods. I may have some of the ignition. I traded all of the really good parts off years ago.

The 8.1L heads flow horribly bad but the 8.8L heads are really pretty good once you put bigger valves and just a little bit of porting.

I sent you a PM.

I haven't seen the 8.8L heads, those sound interesting for stock heads.
 
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