herkdriver007
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Haha.. Looking at the user photos on Northern and there's a K truck some guy took shots of his tube work. Mmmm... Wonder if that's you?
Ha, hadn't noticed those…but nope, not my handiwork
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Ha, hadn't noticed those…but nope, not my handiwork
Stomis
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Damn you're raising skeletons of tool lust for me. I was super disappointed when I bought my spark tosser chop saw. I spent $200 and the thing walks off an angle cut like no bodies business...
I really thought a band saw was my next move, maybe I'll wait and see how you make out...
I really thought a band saw was my next move, maybe I'll wait and see how you make out...
tho a portaband sounds handy, I think I want precision, lazyman cuts in this case... not sure how the porta would do on off angle tube cuts, etc.... I like the chops for clamping in angles, etc.. great for repeating copes..
maybe the porta after, instead of a horo...
maybe the porta after, instead of a horo...
I have a portaband. Does not come close to comparing to a cold saw.
Let me just say I have ALLLLWAYS wanted a wet cold saw. Same can be said for a large good quality vert band saw with a BIG throat. I do not have either. I have a little crappy All Trade little 6" cut capacity gravity/spring resistance dry cutting band saw. It's limited big time, but, does amazing things for what it is. And I abuse it too. Not easy on it.
It cut every tube in my cage in my K5, and plenty of other things too. The other day I was cutting 3" X 3" Sq 6061 aluminum. With a 10 TPI crappy HF saw blade I was cutting that material in 2 1/2 minutes. A cold saw would do it in a say a minute in Aluminum I'd bet. I've never used one though, but as was said, the quality of the cut it awesome. But for me, if I were to go buy a saw of somme type right ow if I had the funds, my need is a vert band saw, I need a band saw big time in fact.
For the prototype parts I'll be making I don't mind getting a small piece and having to saw cut up a few pieces. But for production parts I'm going to be running purchased precut blanks to machine in the mill. Saw cutting is one of the most used machine tools in a shop, and it's labor intensive. It gets used daily. In machining, it's usually the first machine tool to touch a piece of material. As you need to lots of times saw cut your material into blanks or slugs ro run. Only in cnc lathe turning do you run bar stock in a bar feeder. You still saw cut lots of lathe parts too on the saw first though, then they go to first operation turning then 2nd op. But I will have a cold saw one day.
It cut every tube in my cage in my K5, and plenty of other things too. The other day I was cutting 3" X 3" Sq 6061 aluminum. With a 10 TPI crappy HF saw blade I was cutting that material in 2 1/2 minutes. A cold saw would do it in a say a minute in Aluminum I'd bet. I've never used one though, but as was said, the quality of the cut it awesome. But for me, if I were to go buy a saw of somme type right ow if I had the funds, my need is a vert band saw, I need a band saw big time in fact.
For the prototype parts I'll be making I don't mind getting a small piece and having to saw cut up a few pieces. But for production parts I'm going to be running purchased precut blanks to machine in the mill. Saw cutting is one of the most used machine tools in a shop, and it's labor intensive. It gets used daily. In machining, it's usually the first machine tool to touch a piece of material. As you need to lots of times saw cut your material into blanks or slugs ro run. Only in cnc lathe turning do you run bar stock in a bar feeder. You still saw cut lots of lathe parts too on the saw first though, then they go to first operation turning then 2nd op. But I will have a cold saw one day.
the one issue I have with the lower end, wet chop is max cut size..
cage work, I can't imagine much better... stoopid fast and efficient I'm guessing.....
but a 4, 5, 6" wide piece of 1/2" strip steel wont fit in it, yet will in a horo bandsaw..
cage work, I can't imagine much better... stoopid fast and efficient I'm guessing.....
but a 4, 5, 6" wide piece of 1/2" strip steel wont fit in it, yet will in a horo bandsaw..
That's why everyone needs both.
f*ck all that, I want a shear that'll chop 36" of 1/4" plate with the press of my big toe.. 
and a brake to bend it too!
and a brake to bend it too!
I'm gonna get the bandsaw..
I need the capacity.. bunch of 3" angle and 6" wide 3/8" strip steel to cut early in the tubebed project too, so... plus it's gonna be a couple hundy cheaper..
i'll get the baileighs
http://metal.baileighindustrial.com/band-saw-bs-128m
I'll be curious to try some fishmouths with it in vertical mode...
I need the capacity.. bunch of 3" angle and 6" wide 3/8" strip steel to cut early in the tubebed project too, so... plus it's gonna be a couple hundy cheaper..
i'll get the baileighs
http://metal.baileighindustrial.com/band-saw-bs-128m
I'll be curious to try some fishmouths with it in vertical mode...
That looks like a dry saw. If you can swing it I would upgrade to a wet band saw similar to that one.
I have a Jet 7 x 12 that has been very good saw, but that's more than most guys need.
I also have a DeWalt DW872 saw. It is a decent saw, but the base is a bit flimsy. If I were to choose a dry cut/multicutter saw now I would likely go with an Evolution saw. I have one of their magdrills and have been happy with it. I have heard good reports on thies saws.
http://www.evolutionpowertools.com/us/steel/
I have a Jet 7 x 12 that has been very good saw, but that's more than most guys need.
I also have a DeWalt DW872 saw. It is a decent saw, but the base is a bit flimsy. If I were to choose a dry cut/multicutter saw now I would likely go with an Evolution saw. I have one of their magdrills and have been happy with it. I have heard good reports on thies saws.
http://www.evolutionpowertools.com/us/steel/
I'm gonna get the bandsaw..
I need the capacity.. bunch of 3" angle and 6" wide 3/8" strip steel to cut early in the tubebed project too, so... plus it's gonna be a couple hundy cheaper..
i'll get the baileighs
http://metal.baileighindustrial.com/band-saw-bs-128m
I'll be curious to try some fishmouths with it in vertical mode...
I had heard those where good. someone gave em a good review in here a couple yrs ago..
I'm all up in the air... gonna order something this week.. just not sure what cost/ave I wanna take..
the best bang for the buck would prolly be the evo.. those dries cut larger specs than the baileigh wet.. but I'm sure they scream pretty good...
but at this point, I'm kinda second guessing my need for quiet.. I do so much grinding, etc anyway, I pretty much walk around all day in muffs anyway...
shavings are less of a concern than noise..
I think the most versatile would be a band.. is the wet that important on the bands?
my bud has many, and most of the time, he just gives the piece a couple squirts of oil and dry cuts... I think the smallest wet bands are a pretty big jump in price too over a dry iirc.. like 2 g's...
I'm all up in the air... gonna order something this week.. just not sure what cost/ave I wanna take..
the best bang for the buck would prolly be the evo.. those dries cut larger specs than the baileigh wet.. but I'm sure they scream pretty good...
but at this point, I'm kinda second guessing my need for quiet.. I do so much grinding, etc anyway, I pretty much walk around all day in muffs anyway...
shavings are less of a concern than noise..
I think the most versatile would be a band.. is the wet that important on the bands?
my bud has many, and most of the time, he just gives the piece a couple squirts of oil and dry cuts... I think the smallest wet bands are a pretty big jump in price too over a dry iirc.. like 2 g's...
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Stomis
Professional Amateur
The Baileigh website has been taunting me lately... Im really looking at their lathe overhead mill combo. They have really good prices for the quality you get.
yeah, that bandsaw I linked above is the one I had been eyeballin for a while.. I like the stand.. getting it off the floor..
it's either gonna be that or the 15" evo.. I have to call on the evo... hopefully shipping is cheap/free... a dewalt would be $435 to my door..
it's either gonna be that or the 15" evo.. I have to call on the evo... hopefully shipping is cheap/free... a dewalt would be $435 to my door..
What does the BS-128M use as a table when used as a verticle unit? I don't see anything substantial.
I've used them all. Horizontal band, vertical band, wet and dry cold saws, chop saws, and portabands. They all have their place and purpose. The cold saws are very nice, but for a general shop tool, I don't think that they are the every man's saw. Like Rob said, they are mainly a machine shop tool because of the precision. Less wasted time and material on extra cuts later on in the process for production purposes.
I like the looks of the band saw you posted. I may save up and grab one of them when I'm ready.
As for the portaband, I use those at work a lot. They are very useful, especially the 18V Milwaukee we have in the shop. Cuts like a hot knife through butter with a good blade, but the limit is like 4". We have a larger 120V that does pretty good, but it's not a set it and forget it like a full size mounted band saw. No doing other prep or work while it cuts.
I like the looks of the band saw you posted. I may save up and grab one of them when I'm ready.
As for the portaband, I use those at work a lot. They are very useful, especially the 18V Milwaukee we have in the shop. Cuts like a hot knife through butter with a good blade, but the limit is like 4". We have a larger 120V that does pretty good, but it's not a set it and forget it like a full size mounted band saw. No doing other prep or work while it cuts.
I wondered the same... thought I remembered seeing a different pic that showed a separate table.. but I could be stoopid..
you would think it would HAVE to have a table of some sort.. your not gonna freehand hold sh*t..
I'm really leaning towards that 15" evo.. their site is funny... they list the older 14" saw, think it's the 355.. than they list the 380, 15" saw, with better stats due to dia..
but it comes with the 14" blade.. so it's effectively the 14 with a built in upgradability if you change the blade...
the 15 blade is $40 more than the 14.. I'm gonna ask them if I can just pay the 40 dif and get it with the 15 blade... I mean, they sell the blade. and recommend you upgrade to it.. why doesn't it come on the saw?
make me buy it with the 14.. than pay full price for another blade would be really ghey...
you would think it would HAVE to have a table of some sort.. your not gonna freehand hold sh*t..
I'm really leaning towards that 15" evo.. their site is funny... they list the older 14" saw, think it's the 355.. than they list the 380, 15" saw, with better stats due to dia..
but it comes with the 14" blade..
so it's effectively the 14 with a built in upgradability if you change the blade...the 15 blade is $40 more than the 14.. I'm gonna ask them if I can just pay the 40 dif and get it with the 15 blade... I mean, they sell the blade. and recommend you upgrade to it.. why doesn't it come on the saw?
make me buy it with the 14.. than pay full price for another blade would be really ghey...
the other advantage for me to a chop over the band is shipping costs.. the band is like 300 lb truck freight of some sort.... the evo is a 50 lb UPS-able one..
cheap... it's the 14" saw. cheaper than the dewalts.. to my door for 400..
http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay...&catalogId=10051&productId=3386456&cId=detail
think this is the way I'm gonna go.. I'm VERY comfortable with a chop and this can cut 3" angle and such too.... and this is cheap enough, where I can actually do my tube order later in the week too...
http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay...&catalogId=10051&productId=3386456&cId=detail
think this is the way I'm gonna go.. I'm VERY comfortable with a chop and this can cut 3" angle and such too.... and this is cheap enough, where I can actually do my tube order later in the week too...
Vert / Horizontal combo band saws is #1 in my book. Very versatile. Cuts anything and everything, just put the right blade on it and get to cutting. But it's just like a welder. You want to get the very largest throat or cut capacity you can afford. I'd go wet myself for sure.
If I ever buy just a vert BS, it will not be with a blade welder. All the band saws I've ran that had a blade welder never worked well. Usually finiky. And when you can by blades all day long at the length you need why bother making them, just buy good blades, they will last a loooong time if used properly.
Right now with trying to get to machinining parts, I could use a fully auto horizontal production saw BIG TIME. Sure I can buy cut to spicifit lenghts, but they cost as compared to buying bar stock and saw cutting a full bar into slugs yourself, IF you have a saw that will do the work. My little HF style saw was cutting 3' X 3" aluminum in 2 1/2 mins with a course 10 tooh blade. Not bad but I have to go get it cutting once it finishes a cut. What a PITA.
We had an OMADA fully automated saw at one machine shop I worked at. That saw ran every single day from when we open at 5 till we closed at 5:30. Actually my boss the owner would stay late and keep the saw running for parts to run all week long. I was done keeping the saw running at 5. We ran bar stock in the cnc lathes that had bar feeders, but some of out cnc lathes had no bar feeder so we ran slugs in those lathes.
Right now I have an Aluminum sub plate I bought for the mill, but have decided to cut it in half. It's a piece of 1.625" plate of aluminum that measures 18" X 44" and it's heavy! I have decided to cut it in half so I can have only half a sub plate on the mill if I want to. Going to skill saw it in half maybe today. If I do I'll try and video tape it. Not going to be a fun job. I don't know if I even have the strength to do it. My weight is really low and I'm really weak right now. But my woman's not here to yell at me for doing it, so I just have to get it done before she comes home.
If I ever buy just a vert BS, it will not be with a blade welder. All the band saws I've ran that had a blade welder never worked well. Usually finiky. And when you can by blades all day long at the length you need why bother making them, just buy good blades, they will last a loooong time if used properly.
Right now with trying to get to machinining parts, I could use a fully auto horizontal production saw BIG TIME. Sure I can buy cut to spicifit lenghts, but they cost as compared to buying bar stock and saw cutting a full bar into slugs yourself, IF you have a saw that will do the work. My little HF style saw was cutting 3' X 3" aluminum in 2 1/2 mins with a course 10 tooh blade. Not bad but I have to go get it cutting once it finishes a cut. What a PITA.
We had an OMADA fully automated saw at one machine shop I worked at. That saw ran every single day from when we open at 5 till we closed at 5:30. Actually my boss the owner would stay late and keep the saw running for parts to run all week long. I was done keeping the saw running at 5. We ran bar stock in the cnc lathes that had bar feeders, but some of out cnc lathes had no bar feeder so we ran slugs in those lathes.
Right now I have an Aluminum sub plate I bought for the mill, but have decided to cut it in half. It's a piece of 1.625" plate of aluminum that measures 18" X 44" and it's heavy! I have decided to cut it in half so I can have only half a sub plate on the mill if I want to. Going to skill saw it in half maybe today. If I do I'll try and video tape it. Not going to be a fun job. I don't know if I even have the strength to do it. My weight is really low and I'm really weak right now. But my woman's not here to yell at me for doing it, so I just have to get it done before she comes home.
