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New 6.4 Powerstroke Flame Throwers

Back on the topic of the Power Stroke, Ferd is sueing Navistar/International because of the 6.0 and all of it's inherent problems. The V6 mini stroke is not going to be offered in the F150 and Ferd is making two diesels in house to replace the Pstroke and 4.6 V6 mini stroke.
 
Ford sued because International wasn't paying their share of the 6.0L warranty claims. International stopped 6.4L production because of the suit. But production has started up again.

I've said it before and will again, Ford should go to Cat.
 
I believe that. I drove one of ford's f450's that had 50k on and off for about 3 weeks.

The John Deere big diesels inject fuel in the exhaust after the turbo. Some injection systems can't inject 180 degrees after TDC and still have enough for the next shot.

International engines can handle it though. You ought to see what one looks like when it is in regen mode with no DPF on it. :D
 
ryan22re said:
I believe that. I drove one of ford's f450's that had 50k on and off for about 3 weeks.

The John Deere big diesels inject fuel in the exhaust after the turbo. Some injection systems can't inject 180 degrees after TDC and still have enough for the next shot.

International engines can handle it though. You ought to see what one looks like when it is in regen mode with no DPF on it. :D
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I forgot you get to play with them...
 
Do they have a sensor that knows whether or not the DPF is in place (like an o2 sensor on a gasser)? If so, wonder if a Programmer (like HPTuners) could just delete that sensor point and you could remove the DPF. That's what alot of guys do for the rear o2's when cats are deleted. Then, might as well disable the afterburner program while your at it and add a good ole 5" turbo back system.:crazy: I bet this is the kind of chit that will be going down if it can be done.





Who needs a warrantee:doah:
 
BigCountryx said:
Do they have a sensor that knows whether or not the DPF is in place (like an o2 sensor on a gasser)? If so, wonder if a Programmer (like HPTuners) could just delete that sensor point and you could remove the DPF. That's what alot of guys do for the rear o2's when cats are deleted. Then, might as well disable the afterburner program while your at it and add a good ole 5" turbo back system.:crazy: I bet this is the kind of chit that will be going down if it can be done.





Who needs a warrantee:doah:
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You aren't the first to think of this, but likely wouldn't matter as you'll have to smog check that new diesel probably in the next couple of years....
 
It has a differential pressure sensor (and temperature sensors). If there is no DPF, there would be no difference in pressure, and therefore no need to regen. Try and remove the DPF and leave the sensor(s). Although it may set a trouble code for never going into regen.
 
sled_dog said:
it is not a resonator, it is a Diesel Particulate Filter(DPF). It builds up with soot if it isn't cleaned out. Thats where the flames come from. IT is called "Regen mode". The PCM dumps extra fuel that is literally burned up in the exhaust to clean the regen cat out. It is only supposed to work at like 65mph and a certain RPM, but then you can see what happens when it malfunctions.
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I have a question... What about farm truck that never hit highway sppeds? Do the they just explode after 50K miles?

I think in the future we will remember 2006 as the last good year for Diesels. Oh Well.
 
CDA 455 said:
So it has nothing to do with the engines :dunno: ?
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It has to do with required emissions and ULSD so all manufacturers have them on the new engines. Maybe not all alike by something that does the same function and is called a DPF.

Ira
 
grimjaw said:
I have a question... What about farm truck that never hit highway sppeds? Do the they just explode after 50K miles?

I think in the future we will remember 2006 as the last good year for Diesels. Oh Well.
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I want to know that as well... :thinking:
 
grimjaw said:
I have a question... What about farm truck that never hit highway sppeds? Do the they just explode after 50K miles?
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can happen sooner than that.. well, not explode but what happens is when these things get clogged enough, an indicator light will pop on, tellling you that it's clogged, and you should remedy the situation.. on school buses, the engine will eventually just shut off ( before being seriously damaged )if it gets too clogged.. I would guess it works the same for any dpf equipped vehicle..

one district I know of has these things plug in intevals of a thousand miles, to five thousand miles..worse in the cold weather, because idling for a long time will load them up too.. many school buses don't warm up enough, due to the short distances and stop and go driving, and you also have to remember that the dpf's can't always be located as close to the head pipe as you'd like, so even if the bus is warmed up, the exhaust is cooled beofre it gets to the dpf..this is an issue with trash trucks, and off road equipment as well.

one of my school district customers is buying some new buses this summer, and their choices were Thomas, with the dpf's, and bluebird, with the oxidation catlaysts.. I gave them all of the info I have on these things, and bluebird it is..

anyway, you guys don't drive school buses I know, but I wanted to at least let you know what DPF's are like to live with.. again, they're good for OTR trucks, and that's it.
 
grimjaw said:
I have a question... What about farm truck that never hit highway sppeds? Do the they just explode after 50K miles?

I think in the future we will remember 2006 as the last good year for Diesels. Oh Well.
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Warranty DPF after Warranty DPF. Cleaning of the DPF may actually become a SERVICE item. We can also manually command a regen with a scan tool. Could be done when problems arise or as part of a service interval.

Yes the big 3 all have DPFs for 08, its just about meeting the new emissions. And it won't be long before we are doing emissions test on diesels. Any modification of any form will void a Ford warranty. That includes any exhaust or intake mods. No cold air intakes or anything.

I've heard of a few shops working on a sensor faker box for the DPF sensors. As of right now if you remove the DPF, you will trip the check engine light.

Oh and in case you guys didn't know, with the 6.4L Ford has introduced a new to Ford thing. Codes that can't be cleared, haha. You can clear the codes and put the DPF back on, but the codes are stored in a history setup that can only be erased with a Ford scan tool!
 
It seems that some of you think diesels aren't smogged. It just depends on your location. I lived in Phoenix in 95-96 and had to get my little Isuzu Pup with a 2.2 smogged. When they told me, I said "no I don't, its a diesel." They chucled and ssaid "ya you do." I filled the entire bay with black soot and passed with room to go.
 
sled_dog said:
Warranty DPF after Warranty DPF. Cleaning of the DPF may actually become a SERVICE item. We can also manually command a regen with a scan tool. Could be done when problems arise or as part of a service interval.

Yes the big 3 all have DPFs for 08, its just about meeting the new emissions. And it won't be long before we are doing emissions test on diesels. Any modification of any form will void a Ford warranty. That includes any exhaust or intake mods. No cold air intakes or anything.

I've heard of a few shops working on a sensor faker box for the DPF sensors. As of right now if you remove the DPF, you will trip the check engine light.

Oh and in case you guys didn't know, with the 6.4L Ford has introduced a new to Ford thing. Codes that can't be cleared, haha. You can clear the codes and put the DPF back on, but the codes are stored in a history setup that can only be erased with a Ford scan tool!
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What happens if there is an exhaust leak? Or when the exhaust system rusts out?
 
Chevy305 said:
What happens if there is an exhaust leak? Or when the exhaust system rusts out?
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it is all stainless steel... Ford exhausts have been for years.
 
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