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New Tow rig. REDNECK STYLE!

Kert,
I was wondering if you were gonna "Truggy" the bus.
This is a pic of Big Al's Magic Bus.
He loads a full size Dodge Ram on the rear and drives from Michigan to all the hot wheelin spots. I have seen him at the Badlands in Attica, IN and at Disney, OK. He did mention the fact that he got "4 miles to the gallon, Man!!" <said with an extreme northerner accent>

He is a one of a kind.
Once you meet AL and Barney and the others from up north, you would understand...

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thebigdaddyof2 said:
Kert,
I was wondering if you were gonna "Truggy" the bus.
This is a pic of Big Al's Magic Bus.
He loads a full size Dodge Ram on the rear and drives from Michigan to all the hot wheelin spots. I have seen him at the Badlands in Attica, IN and at Disney, OK. He did mention the fact that he got "4 miles to the gallon, Man!!" <said with an extreme northerner accent>

He is a one of a kind.
Once you meet AL and Barney and the others from up north, you would understand...

I really like that idea, I just can't part with that much living space. 5 in my family so need it all. Pretty cool though.
 
The inside looks like your off to a good start.. A buddy of mine had one a few years back that he used for hunting and going to the races.. He put paneling on the interior walls and only left a few windows for ventilation.. Honestly from the inside he did such a good job you would think it was a high dollar motor home.. It was funny after riding it it on a long trip you would forget you were in a school bus, until you went outside :D

He also built a reinforced platform at the top so you could put a few chairs and sit up there the watch the races.. Of course we shot a few deer from up there too :D

You can get a roof mounted air conditioner unit to mount on top just like the regular motor homes for about $600 bucks.. He got one and that thing would keep you cool even on the 100 degree days..

Here is a couple of links I pulled up right quick so you can see the car hauler versions..

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Click Here
Pic from the above link and it's purple too :thumb:
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Yup...thats the one!!..

That's one of the Bus-haulers I saw on the net!..VERY similar to the ones the tractor puller/mud bogger guys one I saw at the pulls.. :D ..I think its the cheapest way for a auto enthusiast to get his own car hauler,plus you can keep some of the bus for sleeping quarters and cooking...I'd love to have something like that...(if I had money for fuel of course!)..I'd be on my way to AZ to drag home some RUST FREE sheet metal,and either keep it,or sell it at ridiculously high prices like a few others here do...

I'm suprised Alan (Mountainexplorer) hasn't made one of his busses into one yet!. :hack: :weld: :grind: :saweet: .I bet the fuel mileage would not be much different in a bus VS towing a car trailer with a big block dually... :thinking: plus he could sleep in comfort! :)

A rust free truck cab from AZ,delivered to my area from one local wrecking yard that specializes in chevy's only goes for 2000 bucks at least!..many have sold for more!--the guy is selling his junkyard and transport business and either moving or retiring(or both!)..and he is about my age (mid 40's)..so I guess it was a profitable bussiness--he says MA is too expensive to live in,and too many EPA hassles to run a junkyard here now..he has over 300 vintage chevy cars,trucks,El-camino's,etc..its a sin he only cuts them up for parts-many were mint as far as rust,but he did not want to be bothered with trying to title any of them..he said they are worth more in peices than he'd get as a whole!.. :eek1: :crazy:
 
diesel4me said:
I'm suprised Alan (Mountainexplorer) hasn't made one of his busses into one yet!. :hack: :weld: :grind: :saweet:
Yeah I thought that what he would end up doing with that last one he bought :D He stripped the body off of it then took it mudding :haha:

I bet the fuel mileage would not be much different in a bus VS towing a car trailer with a big block dually... :thinking: plus he could sleep in comfort! :)
The numbers that I have seen mentioned by people that have taken them on some trips were between 6-8 mpg with a full load.. I guess really thats not bad considering I'm getting about 8 out of my 84 K20 empty :laugh:

A rust free truck cab from AZ,delivered to my area from one local wrecking yard that specializes in chevy's only goes for 2000 bucks at least!..many have sold for more!
Dam that's a lot of coin :yikes:

Its a sin he only cuts them up for parts-many were mint as far as rust,but he did not want to be bothered with trying to title any of them..he said they are worth more in peices than he'd get as a whole!.. :eek1: :crazy:
I believe that and a lot of people are doing that with any older vehicles now a days.. The seperate parts are worth more then if it was complete and running.. Even people that have older bikes and 3 wheelers are cutting them up for parts and making 3-5 times the money then they could get for the whole thing.. Not to long ago a guy had a Honda 250r and he tried to sell it for $1000 bucks a month went by and nobody wanted it.. He spent a weekend and took it apart had all the parts sold in a week and made $3400 bucks.. A few people ragged on him for cutting up a nice bike but he said that by cutting it up not only was he able to sell it and make more money but he also kept a lot more bikes able to ride by the use of his parts..
 
I'm guilty too...

I guess I cant talk--when I scrapped my 74 K20 rather than sell it,I will get more for the motor,plow setup,transfer case,and dash and interior parts than if I had sold it as a whole...

I got 225 bucks in scrap weight for the carcass and all the other scrap I stuffed in the bed and cab,and the other stuff should bring at least 500 more,depending on what I give it away for(a plow setup costs 500 alone used around here)..and a rebuildable 400 SB will bring 200 or so,transfer case with the adapter (NP205/TH350)I could probably get 150 bucks without too much difficulty ...the whole truck I could not get 500 for it complete!...it was a rusted hulk with a rotted frame,so not many people were interested in buying it complete...so it is true "peices" are more valuable than a whole vehicle in many cases...like when you read a ford escort that sold for 12K costs 68K to build from separate parts! :eek1: :crazy:
 
Those are some good pics. I just can't give up all the living space. Won't be much to build a trailer and tow behind. I can always use a trailer anyhow. As of now there is 8 x 10 storage area in the back and some of that will be reclaimed for additional living space. Family of 5 and I really want to get the family to start going on the trips.
 
Yeah I like your idea of keeping all the room you can get and just towing a trailer.. Especially with 5 people you need all the room you can get.. It was mentioned about cutting it and making it be a car hauler so I just threw a few pics up so you could see just how much room you would lose..

That purple one gives you a idea exactly how it would look :D
 
Awesome Kert. There is a kid at Wyotech(or was) who drives a yellow school bus thats been converted into a motor home daily. Its total white trash.

I've seen more then a few chopped down buses in PA. Can't think of where any of them are to go take pictures though. I like the chopped down ones used as a trailer(as picture), but the loss of living space would be a pain.

Corey, any thoughts on how he can lose the governor?
 
any thoughts on how he can lose the governor?

a guy i knew drove a school bus for a while and said the governer was a block of wood under the pedal. but that was a long time ago. however its governed, its probably pretty low tech and easily altered.

other friends of mine bought the school bus from their town's school and turned it into a camper. it is blue and short. yes its a short bus. but its a good base to drink out of and play poker.
 
i only ever worked on a 8.2 once, and it was an engine swap, so no real diggin into it. i know how to do the govs on the 2 stroke detroits, but not sure about the 4. let me find out some info and i will get back about the gov.
 
ok, i looked around, came up with this.



In my experience, the 8.2L is a well-designed and well-made engine, for its class and vintage. The people running the high-power versions in marine applications generally love 'em.

They are VERY quiet-running engines. They have a very wide power-band. And they are also one of the most fuel-efficient engines of their era and size-class.

The injectors do need service more often than some other engines; and it's important to keep them working right. Anyone who knows the old 2-stroke Detroits will have no problem adjusting and servicing the injection on these 8.2's.

Like anyone else, I'd rather have a DT466; but if there were two identical trucks, both with good-running motors, and they wanted $2,000 more for the DT466 truck (pretty typical), I'd take the 8.2L in a heartbeat. I might pay....oh...$500 more for a DT466, but not a thousand or two more.

(I'm assuming that we're talking about $2000-6000 trucks here....typical 1980's 8.2L/DT466/3208 stuff)

To my mind, there are 3 "secrets" to being happy with an 8.2L:

1- Get a turbo version, for sure. That's about 215hp...same as the similar year/application DT466 and 3208. And the same or less weight. And be SURE to replace the muffler whenever it starts causing backpressure!

2- DO install an exhaust-pyro gauge and do NOT run the temp past 1100 (pre-turbo) for any length of time. (I'm in hill-country, and I've found that installing a cold-air intake and an intercooler is well worth the effort, to allow continuous full-power on grades. It knocks 100-200 degrees off the pyro). At LEAST add a cold-air intake.

3- Keep the cooling system in GOOD condition, and DO install an additional "on-off type" overheat sensor in the head, and hook it to an in-cab buzzer. Every 8.2L cracked head that I know of was directly caused by an overheat event. If you don't overheat this engine, you probably won't ever crack the head.


And of course, do all the other things that a smart owner does with any diesel: keep the oil clean and full, keep the air-cleaner clean, and do NOT lug it.

It's easy to avoid lugging with this engine, because it makes good power all the way up to 3,500+ rpm. Truck-redline is usually 3250 full-load, 3450 no-load.

These engines like to run between 2000 and 3000 rpm. Some of the people who have trouble with this motor are driving it like it's a big Cummins 855 or something, i.e. always lugging it around 1500-2200 and upshifting it at 2500.

I think that might be part of why they have trouble with them...they're used to lower-rpm diesels. At such a low rpm, and with full power on, maybe this motor isn't circulating enough water thru the heads or something. Anyway, the 8.2 loves to run faster...upshift it at 3000+, downshift it at 2000; and cruise around 2200-2700, depending on load, for best MPG


more info....
the 8.2 Detroit was based upon gasoling V8 production facilities, was very inexpensive to sell, expensive to run and had some strange characteristics.

Was a 500 inch 4 stroke V8 diesel that did not have sleeves or liners, but did have the same unit injectors as the earlier 2 stroke Detroits. The mill came in both non and turboed versions. There was no intercooler.

Power ratings varied from around 150 hp and 350 torque with no turbo at around 2500-3000 rpm and 1200 to 1500 rpm to around 220 hp and 525 torque at 2500 to 2800 rpm and 1200 to 1500 rpm for the turboed version.

Physically, the mill is very compact and light, not much bigger than a 427 gas engine and smaller than a 3208 Cat V8 or 6V71. Weights about 1000 pounds with no turbo and about 1100 with the turbo and accessories.

We swapped a non turboed 8.2 into a Ford one ton truck years ago which shows you how big and powerful the 8.2 is, which is not very. Compare it to the 453T Detroit and you get the idea.

The 8.2 was designed to be a somewhat temporary low cost diesel option for those who speced two ton truck who wanted a diesel engine. Detroit years ago were practically giving away the engine along with the smaller AT 540 4 speeed Allison.

They lasted about as long as the 427 Chevy gas engines, but gave much better fuel mileage while they lasted. Eventually they were discontinued due to the emissions they put out

after i gota thinkin about the govener removal, i started thinkin it was a VERY bad idea for a stock engine. the gov is there for a reason. diesels are not made from the factory to run high rpms(cept for 2 strokes)

i also been reading up on some stuff on this engine, and it all comes together. you can put propane injection on it and increase the power, but with increase in power comes other problems. will the tranny hold the extra power? will the cooling system(which is old) be able to handle the extra needs?

in my idea, yea, it might be slow, yea it might become annoying, but will it get ya there? will the continue to run? right now being stock, it should keep runnin for a while. if it starts hard or smokes white, it might need injectors. which aint to bad to change, just need a dial indicator to set injector depth.



any more questions, ask.
sorry for the long post.


yea, it says ford on the grill, only on the grill. detriot engine, allison tranny, probly eaton rear. the only ford part is a steering colum and dash parts pretty much.
 
kert i love the bus yeah propane would be cool but yeah nice towrig nothing wrong with that . it is interesting reading his i love diesel i am going to wyotech here in oct for diesel ,chassis fab hp motors and managment i am excited bc diesel is ths s*i*

phil
 
i am goin to university of northwestern ohio in 20 days for diesel equipment.
i won the skills usa vica competiton at the national level and ended up with 5 full paid scholarships to UNO, ATC, UTI, PennTech, and OhioTech. plus about 2000$ work of tools, a bluepoint toolbox, and job offers everywhere.
 
i was in skills usa too didnt do alot with it tho but yeah i am excited aotech tho i went out there and it was totally awesome
 
I love it. :D

I've considered turning one of mine into a tow rig/car hauler or just even throwing a bunch of the extra couches and furniture inside. But I rode both of the ones I have to school when I was in 10th grade, and I remember how gutless the gas 392 IHC V8s acted when fully loaded down.

But yours has given me more inspiration to rip out my seats and furnish one of mine, just for fun. Looks like a great place to have a party. :wink1:
 
I've thought about doin' this myself to haul our atvs. My wife's granfather has a '72 Furd school bus with a 460 that has literally 10 miles on it since it was rebuilt. I can get it for $500, but it's been sitting for a little over 10 years. It has already been gutted and turned into a camper.
 

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