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one ton axle build up-lookin for advice

The people that don't machine brake drums or rotors aren't doing the job properly or they don't care if they have brake pulsation or they're just too damn lazy to do a job correctly.

If brake lathes are a thing of the past then why do you think brake lathes are still made? :rolleyes:


German automakers, specifically vw and audi where ive worked, dont turn rotors. they are either within specification, or get replaced.
 
Well, we still use 'em at Nissan, I used ours 3 times today. I guess I'm a dinosaur. We have a Pro Cut on car lathe and a Hunter bench lathe.
 
The rotor is not true until it has been machined while it is attached to the hub. :deal:

Ah this answers my question. So ill bring hub and all to the guys at work or scott when i get em machined. And brake lathes certainly arent a thing of the past, we just got a new roll around lathe to use on cars over at goodyear los gatos and we still use our floor mounted lathe almost daily for rotors.

So i've been thinking about this and if i try to go rolls royce on everything this project isnt ever going to get done. So im reconsidering the axle build as a budget build meaning cutting out unneccessary parts like upgraded knuckles and axle shafts. I know ill need em before i compete but its going to take a few years of seat time experience before im even close to that level of driving ability. I have re-evaluted my goals of reaching KOH or any competition at that level from 2-3 years out to 5+ years after talking to some guys who are more knowledgable than myself on what it takes to compete at that level.

Im thinking ATM detroit lockers front and rear then regear to 5.38. Diff covers and wheel bearings. Any weak spots in these axles that should be addressed early on? I plan to truss em front and rear for the 4 link.
 
The old standard brake lathe that you just put the rotor on is still the standard. I've only seen a few places that had a machine that you could turn the rotor with the hub attached, and fewer yet that had the style that turned the rotor while still attached to the car. It's all about cost, and having to pull the entire hub assembly off to machine the rotor takes a lot of time which equals a lot of cost and the "on car" lathes are also very expensive.

I agree that turning rotors on the hub give the best results, but just turning the rotors by themselves isn't that bad. I've driven both in a automotive testing environment and can't honestly say you could feel any difference.
 
The old standard brake lathe that you just put the rotor on is still the standard. I've only seen a few places that had a machine that you could turn the rotor with the hub attached, and fewer yet that had the style that turned the rotor while still attached to the car. It's all about cost, and having to pull the entire hub assembly off to machine the rotor takes a lot of time which equals a lot of cost and the "on car" lathes are also very expensive.

I agree that turning rotors on the hub give the best results, but just turning the rotors by themselves isn't that bad. I've driven both in a automotive testing environment and can't honestly say you could feel any difference.

Our shop sure as hell doesnt have any cost problems. We Got cars coming in and out 12 hours a day without break. Our shop is the highest performing in the region and also one of the smallest :haha: . I look at how much cash we bring in daily and while im not allowed to share such info ill just say its a jaw dropping :eek1: lot.

p.s i talked to a tech whos been doin this stuff for about 25 years and he confirmed scotts previous statement of rotor on hub is the right way to do it.

Im probably going to make a list/cost of parts to start out on my one ton axles. My dad is really encouraging me to not get too caught up in the as he calls em ''rolls royce'' parts and just get some seat time in then upgrade stuff as money comes. As a wheeler i cant argue with that but i hate not doing everything while the axles are already up on the bench :doah:. Probably just going to do gears,detroits,bronze kingpin bushing since that has come highly recommended earlier in the thread and brakes then wheel bearings since these things are a bit old. Not sure what else atm
 
Just thought I would add a picture of my brake lathe that apparently is a "thing of the past" that I just used again on saturday.

Van Norman brake lathe.jpg
 
My dad is really encouraging me to not get too caught up in the as he calls em ''rolls royce'' parts and just get some seat time in then upgrade stuff as money comes.

I think your dad is a smart dude. Stop worrying about all this crazy buggy crap and get some seat time. The best equipment in the world does you no good if you don't have the experience to back it up.
Do a basic rebuild on the 60, add crossover steering, a locker in the 14 bolt and get out there and wheel. Add axle upgrades as you break.
 
I think your dad is a smart dude. Stop worrying about all this crazy buggy crap and get some seat time. The best equipment in the world does you no good if you don't have the experience to back it up.
Do a basic rebuild on the 60, add crossover steering, a locker in the 14 bolt and get out there and wheel. Add axle upgrades as you break.

Thats pretty much the plan if my bank doesnt approve the loan, But i found a sweeeet deal on ck5 that ill be taking if my bank comes through.
http://coloradok5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279984
 
Thats pretty much the plan if my bank doesnt approve the loan, But i found a sweeeet deal on ck5 that ill be taking if my bank comes through.
http://coloradok5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279984

Why in the heck would you get a loan for a toy at your age (close to mine) and with your income?
Sell one or both of your blazers, throw in some cash and buy it outright. Or sell one of your blazers and start building up the other. Either way my point is IMO a loan for a straight up toy in your situation is a bit crazy.
 
Why in the heck would you get a loan for a toy at your age (close to mine) and with your income?
Sell one or both of your blazers, throw in some cash and buy it outright. Or sell one of your blazers and start building up the other. Either way my point is IMO a loan for a straight up toy in your situation is a bit crazy.

I totally agree here. I don't think there is much to worry about though as most places won't give a loan for a used vehicle let alone a wheeler.
 
Why in the heck would you get a loan for a toy at your age (close to mine) and with your income?
Sell one or both of your blazers, throw in some cash and buy it outright. Or sell one of your blazers and start building up the other. Either way my point is IMO a loan for a straight up toy in your situation is a bit crazy.

Simple, My insane likely unreachable unsensible goal of building a competitive race buggy. Im currently working part time netting 1200+ a month and these are my expenses
1.Dog food,I get the good stuff so 40 bucks a month or so
2.Gas,work is 1 mile away and i get 20+mpgs
3.Food if i want to eat out which consist of 10-20 bucks a week as i rarely eat out
4.Basic cleaning products like shampoo,deodrant and that bullshet which rarely runs out.
5.5% of all income goes towards long term savings
6.whatever other random bs comes up

Conservatively i have over 800 bucks a month expendable income going towards this goal. Im starting school next semester but its likely only part time and even if i go to school full time and cut back on work a bit with this being a 3 year loan manditory payments are in the high 100's so even a part time job will easily cover these cost.

Finally if you add up what it would take in time/gas to pick up or deliver all the stuff he has in there that i want for the buggy im saving money. Add cost of interest onto this and pick up cost and everything might break even. But even so i get a rig that
1.Has several parts ill need in one complete package which saves me tons of bull****ting with cl which i cant stand
2.I get to go wheeling with a locked rig while im saving up more cash for the buggy and tools.

As for selling my blazers, Ill pretend i didnt hear that :sign19:

I totally agree here. I don't think there is much to worry about though as most places won't give a loan for a used vehicle let alone a wheeler.
It's not a used car loan but i think your probably right. While my bank was optimistic about it going through it has to go through corporate and with my short credit history flawless as it may be i dont think they are going to take the risk in this economy or they will try and screw me in the ass with an insane interest rate in which case i would have to tell them no. Either way it probably wont come through, But a little more optimism on the part of ck5 would be nice especially in BUYING A K5 :haha:
 
If ypur going for a personal loan your not gonna get it. I was in same situation, had my dad take the loan and I co signed since it wouldnt work any other way. Tis was for a 4k loan. Perfect credit just no history
 
If ypur going for a personal loan your not gonna get it. I was in same situation, had my dad take the loan and I co signed since it wouldnt work any other way. This was for a 4k loan. Perfect credit just no history

Strange, I was told the bare minimum for a personal loan was 5k. I wanted to do a used car loan and he actually recommended a personal loan. anyone else noticed this thread has went from a got my one ton axles thread to an axle build up advice thread to a brake lathe argument thread to a financial advice thread :haha: . It will be going back to a axle build thread soon, i promise :D. Just waitin for the pay checks to build up enough for all the parts i need. KOH is definitley going to set me back a few hundred but well worth it i think.
 
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I need to put myself in your shoes...uncle sam is paying me a pretty penny right now but, in july he wont be taking care of me anymore.....6 years is enough for me. Looks like I need to move in with pop(he resides in his shop where I will be working) and get a dog! F'it....im doin it! You have inspired me!
 
I need to put myself in your shoes...uncle sam is paying me a pretty penny right now but, in july he wont be taking care of me anymore.....6 years is enough for me. Looks like I need to move in with pop(he resides in his shop where I will be working) and get a dog! F'it....im doin it! You have inspired me!

:haha: Go for it man, im 18 living with no expenses and workin 35 or so hours a week. My dad actually wants me to live with him and is very supportive of my competitive racing dreams so its not like im going to be paying rent anytime soon. I cant think of a better time to chase a pipe dream :thumb:
 
Only if I hadnt ordered a shop from future steel.....dont get me started there. Ill still be 70% expense free.....mustang payment, shop build, living exps, internet for this addiction I call ck5...etc....
 
Only if I hadnt ordered a shop from future steel.....dont get me started there. Ill still be 70% expense free.....Camaro payment, shop build, living exps, internet for this addiction I call ck5...etc....

fixed it for you. Why do you regret buying a steel shop building? I'm thinking of getting one of these steel building depending on where my dad buys his house. Hes aiming for a country home so i can have a dedicated shop building, but i may only get a 2 car garage for a shop sinces hes leaning towards a big ol monster house in the hollister suburbs atm.
 
Dana 60 Hi steer arms 90$ +tie rod ends and tie rod
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=947915

4340 Chro-mo dana 60, 35 spline stub shafts 180$
http://www.durasolid.com/differential-part-front-axle-shafts-dfa-w46100-16-7.aspx

Spicer 1480, solid, non-greasable Ujoints. HD OEM 65$
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SPIC...ptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Bronze King pin bushings 89$, Will one set cover an axle or is it 2?
http://www.cmperformancemachine.com/store/product.php?productid=16133&cat=249&page=1

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Detroit locker for dana 60 613$
http://www.ringpinion.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProdID=3675

dana 60 drive flanges 195$
http://www.cmperformancemachine.com/store/product.php?productid=16172

dana 60 5.13 gearing 307$
http://www.ringpinion.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProdID=3741

14 bolt ff 5.13 gears 337$
http://www.ringpinion.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProdID=634

14 bolt ff detroit locker 459$
http://www.ringpinion.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProdID=610

2,335 total not including shipping and the dial indicator and the tie rod/TRE's. Will probably fab myself up some thick diff covers for the experience.

I think thatll pretty much cover it :dunno:
 
Got an idea i thought i'd run past you guys, If i do end up buying that rig. I may swap the entire drivetrain more or less as is into the buggy. With a sm465 granny low and the doublers double low option would it be neccessary to regear the difs for 42's. Dif's are currently at 4.10 and im thinking leaving the difs where they are could help my top end speed for desert portions and the double low along with the granny low would give me a adequate crawl ratio for the extreme rock portions. Thoughts?
 
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