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shock woes [new mounting idea]

metalneverdies

metalneverdies

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I have my rear shackle flip on and am having issues with finding the right shock / mounting for my needs. I am running a 52" spring with a 4.5" shackle. Currently the only weight on the rear is a 1/4 tank of fuel a spare tire and the interior is mostly stripped.

Thanks to all the reasearch that Dueling has done on the fox 2.0's. I think I am going to use his idea and go that route. It should work out well for my truck. I am unsure on how to mount them. They look like they take a different type of mounting or bushing than standard shocks? Any advice?

Originally I was planning on running the 12" shocks in the factory postion. However, that limits my travel to 3.9" up and 6.85" down. After talking with Chris and Stephen at ORD I believe I need to go to a 14" shock in order to have any uptravel. If I go with a 14" shock I need to come up with a new mounting system.

I was wondering about using the DIY4x Shock inboarding cross bar so I can run a 14" shock. Would this work out well for me and allow me to use my full travel potential?

The option Stephen had suggested was reloacating my axle mounts on my shocks and tipping the front of the shocks foreward in order to gain more shock clearance. I do NOT want to cut into my floor at all.

Any advise or guidance is much appricated. I can get pictures (not much to see) if needed.

14" travel shocks are 35.1" expanded and 21.1" compressed.

My right shock eye to eye is 23".

My left is 24.25" due to the mounting bracket being on top of the frame.
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Why not just make custom top mounts and get the right angles using shock tabs off the axle and crossmember. Angle it front to back like on the raptors..


Except im thinking make them angle towards the back as the shackle will pull the axle back as it compresses, so in my mind if they both angle from axle towds the rear it would soak up bumps better.

This coupled with a rear trac bar would mean you dont need the shocks mounted opposite directions.

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Deuling said:
Why not just make custom top mounts and get the right angles using shock tabs off the axle and crossmember. Angle it front to back like on the raptors..


Except im thinking make them angle towards the back as the shackle will pull the axle back as it compresses, so in my mind if they both angle from axle towds the rear it would soak up bumps better.

This coupled with a rear trac bar would mean you dont need the shocks mounted opposite directions.
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Assuming the mounting points of your raptor shocks are they same as the fox 2.0's; do I just need a poly bushing?
 
Wheres the bushing go??

The shock eyes have bushings in mine...


The 2.0s either have that or more of a heim style on the ends..

Just make the tabs and put a bolt through..
 
Deuling said:
Wheres the bushing go??

The shock eyes have bushings in mine...


The 2.0s either have that or more of a heim style on the ends..

Just make the tabs and put a bolt through..
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That's what I thought, after talking to some one about the fox 2.0's they concerned me with how they mount. Made it sound like a non-standard mounting setup.

I'm halfway tempted to order 2 14" shocks for front and rear mock up. Guess I could hack up some pvc pipe and make a working model of my own to play with angles and what not.
 
Pick a spot on the frame, mark it.

Cycle your suspension till you find bump and droop.. Keep measuring from the frame to where you need to mount your shocks on the axle. Just keep making tweaks untill you find a spot on each you can mount for droop and bump and the shocks wont bottom out on either end.
 
Deuling said:
Except im thinking make them angle towards the back as the shackle will pull the axle back as it compresses, so in my mind if they both angle from axle towds the rear it would soak up bumps
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I'm planning to do the same for the same logic.

Here are some pics I took several years ago of the ORD suburban. Thought they might be good reference.

ORDrearshock1.jpg


ORDrearshock2.jpg


Those were angled towards the front.
 
Thats the exact thing im picturing basically. I just figured angling them to the back would work better... If not ill go to the front.

Thanks scott!!! :thumb:

mrk5 said:
I'm planning to do the same for the same logic.

Here are some pics I took several years ago of the ORD suburban. Thought they might be good reference.

ORDrearshock1.jpg


ORDrearshock2.jpg


Those were angled towards the front.
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I don't remember if Stephen told me there was a reason for angling forward. I only remember we were talking about mounting long travel shocks without cutting a hole into the bed.
 
mrk5 said:
I don't remember if Stephen told me there was a reason for angling forward. I only remember we were talking about mounting long travel shocks without cutting a hole into the bed.
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I think what was pictured is what he was trying to tell me about on the phone. Im not sure that would fit 14" though.

He was talking about how they had swayaways because of the small height
 
I wonder if they will put those in production, that's exactly what im looking for on my truck. I don't want to cut the bed.
 
That picture was several years ago so I kinda doubt it.

I'm making something similar for mine. I ordered short pieces of DOM, large gussets, and tube tabs from Ruffstuff to build them. Gotta make it work for 15" shocks. Hope it's not an issue.
 
mrk5 said:
I don't remember if Stephen told me there was a reason for angling forward. I only remember we were talking about mounting long travel shocks without cutting a hole into the bed.
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Idk, just in my brain.... Your normally going forward, you hit a bump, shackle compresses and pushes the axle towards the back... I feel the shock would do a better job angled back soaking up the hit on the compression stroke of the shock, rather than pulling and using the rebound side.... :dunno:
 
I agree with you.

It may have been a practical thing like there being something in the way behind the axle.
 
mrk5 said:
I agree with you.

It may have been a practical thing like there being something in the way behind the axle.
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Yah, ill play around with it, I think id like to have them angled back, if not... The ford SVT people mounted them forwards on raptors, and so did ORD.... So there must be a reason... Unless using rebound of the shock is better than compression :dunno:
 
OK, so I just re-measured my ride height and droop eye to eye:

ride height ( stripped interior ):
Left rear- 24.25"
Right rear- 23"

Droop ( brake line tension relieved, axle vent line tension relieved )
Left rear- 27.5"
Right rear- 25.5"

I also measured from the top of the axle to the bottom of the frame dead center above the stock bump stop mount.

Droop- 18 3/8"
Ride height - 15 3/8"

It seems like I should have more down travel? :dunno: I know my spring bushings are old and crappy, the spring it self doesn't look to terrible. Other than that's the down travel of a 52" spring with an overload I'm not sure what the deal is. I am trying to avoid taking my springs apart; at this point I'm guessing my up travel would be between 3 and 4 inches.


side note: I measured where I guessed the ORD style mount would put the shock, It seems to be dead on what the factory got if you move the shock mount to the top of the axle. If you keep factory axle mount, then it gains about an 1-1.5". If you put the mount behind the axle with the shock mount on top of the axle; you gain about 2 inches or so depending on how far back you mount the shock to the frame.
 
So what your saying is you think you have 6-7" total travel.

So if you get a 14" shock... Take 14-7=7. 7/2= 3.5.

Make it so your shock has 3.5" left at both full bump, and droop, and you should be good. Set your bump stops where they would be fully compressed with say 3" of up travel left.


You should take the springs apart if you wanna get all you can out of them, but you can make a guess and set it like this.

Just an FYI, you will have a lot more droop when your going over bumps and that axle wants to stay on the ground, while your trucks going up...

You could set limit straps if you want too.
 
metalneverdies said:
From my deep lack of understanding? :doah:

I know its not hard. I just cant seem to find a spot that would give me clearance to run a 14" shock
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Then run a 12" in the rear. You just said you only have 6" to 7" of travel. What do you need a 14" travel for? These are not ord springs correct? Just stock rears.. They aren't going to have a ton of travel
 
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