Soooo I did the stack this weekend......

[DEMON44]

....naaaaa...not race only. Mike daily drives his truck at 677 horse. Better than 50kms round trip from his place to downtown Calgary everyday. but he does "detune" when he pulls his 5'er. puts in the smaller injectors. I bag mine everyday to work and back towing occationally, I detune the electronics when I tow too though.

Really depends on the truck though, what generation of Cummins it is, auto stick, regular weight of trailer, .....theres so many variables. Stock is really good for reliable towing.............

 

[rjfguitar]

Damn, damn, damn !!

What set up would you recommend for towing with a Cummins?

It appears that kind of performance is race-oriented.

Easy on the fuel and especially easy on not having a too large of a turbo.

Thats the beauty of a diesel that is governed by fuel flow and not air. Even though you can lay down a nice 650HP on the dyno, it doesn't mean you have to neccessarely live with that in stop and go traffic. You can only apply say 200HP with the position of your foot. Then, with air being cost free it doesn't matter how much of it you need. That means you can run the stock radiator and cooling system, bottom end of the engine, etc. With a huge gas engine, it's going to use so much air and you've got to pay for that fuel that it needs to match that air regulation.

Towing... a 400HP truck tows really well. Good ingredients IMHO would be a fairly large fueling box like an Edge Comp box, Juice, TST, etc. A turbo in the 57-62mm compressor wheel with an 80mm exhaust side is pretty nice for towing. It'll keep the EGT's in check with 400HP worth of fuel, yet still retain a decently fast spool up to make towing possible. The bigger turbo's and bigger injectors don't tow very well because they like to smoke bad, have a hard time spooling from the extra weight not letting the engine climb in RPM as easily, and when the big turbo spools finally, it can want to surge and make the truck really take off. Not any too smooth unfortunetly.

That is basically the setup that I have, minus the 57/14 turbo(maybe if I win the lotto ) which is much much milder than Demon's setup.

 

[rjfguitar]

Demon, how bad is your drone now with the stack? Better or worse than before?

 

[DEMON44]

Not bad, all things considered. It is loud over all, I knew that and I'm OK with that. But does resonate pretty soundly at about 2100rpm. so I don't hang out at that rpm. and it depends on throttle input when blowing through that range too. I can hear turbo bark pretty clearly now if I'm not careful.

 

[CDA 455]

I had a '99 Ford F350 with a PS that I tweeked.

It dyno'ed in at 350HP at 690FT/LBS of torque.

I sold it to buy my wife an '07 Toyota Sequoia.

Now I'm in the market for an '08 or '09 Dodge Ram 5500 with a 6.7L Cummins. I'm hoping the engine has all of it's problems ironed out before I buy one next year or I'll wait until '09.

 

[DEMON44]

Ya the '07 EPA regulations are really throwing the whole works for a loop.

Then you go to Europe, where diesel engines and diesel vehicles are light years ahead of this Stone age technology we call cutting edge. Actually the fuel is that much better over there than over here.

 

[CDA 455]

Ya the '07 EPA regulations are really throwing the whole works for a loop.

Then you go to Europe, where diesel engines and diesel vehicles are light years ahead of this Stone age technology we call cutting edge. Actually the fuel is that much better over there than over here.

I just realized your thread is pushing 110 posts soon!


Back on topic; Europe has advanced diesel tech. over we North Americans?????

 

[Big91RustyBucket]

I just realized your thread is pushing 110 posts soon!


Back on topic; Europe has advanced diesel tech. over we North Americans?????

They most definately do. Jeep is starting to offer diesel stuff here but it has been around for some time in Europe.

 

[original balzer]

OOOH thatnx guys this is much better lots of cool info here. I keep telling myself someday ill put a 12v cummins in a chevy but damn its hard to find one for less than $6k in running condition

Balzer

 

[rjfguitar]

OOOH thatnx guys this is much better lots of cool info here. I keep telling myself someday ill put a 12v cummins in a chevy but damn its hard to find one for less than $6k in running condition

Balzer

No kidding, I'd like to drop a 12v in my K30 service truck but they are not cheap trying to find one at a wrecking yard.

 

[CDA 455]

No kidding, I'd like to drop a 12v in my K30 service truck but they are not cheap trying to find one at a wrecking yard.

That depends on what one's definition of cheap is.


Buddy/source tells me (because I've been thinking of doing the same thing too!!) he can get me a rolled '01 Ram 3500 for about $2500.


I want one with the NV5600 tranny to put the whole set up (motor, tranny, and T-case) in my '72 Blazer .





BTW, some questions:

What's the length of the above-mentioned set up (Cummins motor, NV5600 tranny, and T-case)?

What's the length from the front of the motor to the stick-shift?

Did '01 Ram 3500 come with manual T-case shifter?

Was the '01 Cummins a 12v or a 24v?

 

[fordeater]

That depends on what one's definition of cheap is.


Buddy/source tells me (because I've been thinking of doing the same thing too!!) he can get me a rolled '01 Ram 3500 for about $2500.


I want one with the NV5600 tranny to put the whole set up (motor, tranny, and T-case) in my '72 Blazer .





BTW, some questions:

What's the length of the above-mentioned set up (Cummins motor, NV5600 tranny, and T-case)?

What's the length from the front of the motor to the stick-shift?

Did '01 Ram 3500 come with manual T-case shifter?

Was the '01 Cummins a 12v or a 24v?

Can't answer all of your questions, but i'll answer the ones I know.

01 would have been a 24 valve. Anything between 98.5 and 2002 is a 24 valve.
Nv5600 is EXPENSIVE. Lots of people are worried about running them cause the parts are hard to find. The '01 did have the manual t-case shifter.

 

[rjfguitar]

Fordeater pretty much nailed it.

Getting an electronic 24V engine like what Demon and I have is not a bad engine, you've just got some electronics to encorporate into the truck.

All of the Dodge diesels use a manual transfer case all they way into the 2005 or so year, then they started coming out with those silly push buttons...

You are right, $2500 is cheap if you can get it for that.

 

[CDA 455]

Getting an electronic 24V engine like what Demon and I have is not a bad engine, you've just got some electronics to encorporate into the truck.

Can you elaborate on the electronics aspect?

 

[fordeater]

Buddy/source tells me (because I've been thinking of doing the same thing too!!) he can get me a rolled '01 Ram 3500 for about $2500.

I missed that first time around. That is really cheap if you can get the computer and all from the truck. To get a 12 valve motor from junk yards around here they are looking for about $3,000 on up to $5,000. I know a guy local in Seattle who builds Cummins race engines and he said to not pay more then about $2500 to $3000 for a motor especially if you don't know exact condition.

Could your buddy gett you the complete truck, or just motor? Depending on transmissions too, that could be a sweet deal. From my searching, an nv5600 tranny is going for close to $3,000 and more depending on where you shop. An nv4500 can be had for around $1000 but quite a bit more depending on the 5th gear upgrade and if any internals were upgraded. I've kind of been trying to watch and see how the new 6 speed is, G-56, but I've heard mixed reviews, and have yet to see any pricing on one. But i'm sure they are high too.

I don't know much about swapping in the 24 valve cause I have put my focus on the simple yet powerful 12 valve. But i'm sure the computer part of it would be a chore to swap over.

 

[CDA 455]

That's the whole rig.

His son has a Dealers License, so he buys wrecks from auctions and fixes them up. Then sells them (with a salvage title) for a little profit.

My buddy will buy a late-'90's sedan for about $250 to $500, fix it up and sell it for about $2000.

I told him what I wanted and he suggested a rolled truck because the drive-train would still be intact while everything else would be toast, making the truck alot cheaper to buy!!

 

[DEMON44]

That depends on what one's definition of cheap is.


Buddy/source tells me (because I've been thinking of doing the same thing too!!) he can get me a rolled '01 Ram 3500 for about $2500.


I want one with the NV5600 tranny to put the whole set up (motor, tranny, and T-case) in my '72 Blazer .

BTW, some questions:

What's the length of the above-mentioned set up (Cummins motor, NV5600 tranny, and T-case)?

What's the length from the front of the motor to the stick-shift?

Did '01 Ram 3500 come with manual T-case shifter?

Was the '01 Cummins a 12v or a 24v?

............looooong i can measure some stuff in the garage and give you the exact length of 6BT+nv5600 and estimate the NVG271 in......


$2500....Thats a retarded screaming deal for a whole truck. but be wary of an actual rolled truck....as too how long the truck was upside down or sideways with the engine running. sure fire way to wipe out the bearings or hydrostatically lock the engine. Just be careful.



this is a NV5600 and a NP205.......I did that a few years ago. it sure can be done.

 

[CDA 455]

............looooong i can measure some stuff in the garage and give you the exact length of 6BT+nv5600 and estimate the NVG271 in......

Cool, thanks !!

$2500....Thats a retarded screaming deal for a whole truck. but be wary of an actual rolled truck....as too how long the truck was upside down or sideways with the engine running. sure fire way to wipe out the bearings or hydrostatically lock the engine. Just be careful.

Yeah, that's wholesale or what dealers pay.

Good tips on checking out the motor. My buddy is waaaay more mechanically-inclined than I am so he'll definitely do the inspection.

this is a NV5600 and a NP205.......I did that a few years ago. it sure can be done.

Wow!

How did you mate the NP205 to the NV5600??!!!

That is the set up I want !!

 

[DEMON44]

very easy actually, its a bolt together with factory Dodge parts. Just locating the right parts can be hard. Because the 205 that will bolt to the back of a nv5600 is probably is probably the least common 205 around. it was found on the tails of the Getrag 5speed in '90'91 Dodges only as far as I know. its a male male w/coupler and round mount 1 1/2" 27 spline input. and the 5600 is a 1 1/2" 27spline output.

If you do get that '01. and if you can. Just verify that the 5600 input is the upgraded 1 3/8" 10 spline.........not the weaker 1 1/4" 12 spline. that was availiable in the '99-'00s '01 was the upgrade year but just make sure. The 1 3/8 is much stronger and uses a larger clutch and pilot bearing.

 

[fordeater]

If you do get that '01. and if you can. Just verify that the 5600 input is the upgraded 1 3/8" 10 spline.........not the weaker 1 1/4" 12 spline. that was availiable in the '99-'00s '01 was the upgrade year but just make sure. The 1 3/8 is much stronger and uses a larger clutch and pilot bearing.

Did they start the 1 3/8 input halfway through 2001 or something?