I'm waiting for one of the early adopters of this technology to sue Tesla when they piss off the wrong redneck or gang banger and get shot by something larger than a 9mm and it comes through the body or glass.
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Tesla Cybertruck pickup truck
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I'm waiting for one of the early adopters of this technology to sue Tesla when they piss off the wrong redneck or gang banger and get shot by something larger than a 9mm and it comes through the body or glass.
I can't hide in traffic in that thing. What's the point of 3 motors if you can't hide afterwards?
The only ones to be driving this will be city dwellers who just want something different to drive. Until there is a battery breakthrough, electric pickup trucks for the masses, won't be a reality unless regulated as forced, which is of course possible.
As the owner of a Chevy Volt, I can tell you range varies significantly. Current battery tech doesn't like: anything over 45mph, anything below 60 degrees, anything over 4 or 5 years old. Our 38 mile range 2014 volt gets mabey 25 in winter (20 degrees) and less if your on the highway. Hell even at ideal 70 degrees temp, if we drive that volt 75mph on the freeway it's much closer to 32 miles of ev range.
Towing, forget it, range cut in half, easily. Towing a 4 place snowmobile trailer in 20 degree weather going 75mph down the highway, I bet you'd be lucky to get 150mi of range out of this thing.
The "utility" just isn't there. Pickup drivers drive long highway distances hauling and towing stuff in cold and hot. Even if you can "dc fast charge" (which is bad for the battery) your still looking at many 1/2hr stops just to go 500 miles somewhere.
Couple all this with force closing of coal plants (base load) and increased intermittent load (wind and solar) is already caused electric rates to go thru the roof, add to that more force electirc load in the form and ev's and you have about a 6 or 7$/gallon equiv to operate vehicle, simply not feasible.
New battery tech is what's needed over more vehicles turning EV.
As the owner of a Chevy Volt, I can tell you range varies significantly. Current battery tech doesn't like: anything over 45mph, anything below 60 degrees, anything over 4 or 5 years old. Our 38 mile range 2014 volt gets mabey 25 in winter (20 degrees) and less if your on the highway. Hell even at ideal 70 degrees temp, if we drive that volt 75mph on the freeway it's much closer to 32 miles of ev range.
Towing, forget it, range cut in half, easily. Towing a 4 place snowmobile trailer in 20 degree weather going 75mph down the highway, I bet you'd be lucky to get 150mi of range out of this thing.
The "utility" just isn't there. Pickup drivers drive long highway distances hauling and towing stuff in cold and hot. Even if you can "dc fast charge" (which is bad for the battery) your still looking at many 1/2hr stops just to go 500 miles somewhere.
Couple all this with force closing of coal plants (base load) and increased intermittent load (wind and solar) is already caused electric rates to go thru the roof, add to that more force electirc load in the form and ev's and you have about a 6 or 7$/gallon equiv to operate vehicle, simply not feasible.
New battery tech is what's needed over more vehicles turning EV.
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Apparently 146,000 pre-orders already...
I think a hybrid setup like locomotives use would be better than a battery powered vehicle that needs recharging too soon..
If they could develop a high output alternator or generator that a small one or two cylinder diesel could power,one that can supply sufficient power to a big enough electric motor to satisfy all possible operating scenarios,then they might have something..
Personally I hate batteries of any sort--they are always dying or dead,take too long to recharge,or have a short life span--and they are loaded with hazardous chemicals..
Ever have a flashlight battery leak and see what it does to the innards ?..picture what a vehicle will look like if a battery gets cracked in an accident or a defect,or other minor incident in a few months --the residue will corrode the hell out of the vehicle..
If they could develop a high output alternator or generator that a small one or two cylinder diesel could power,one that can supply sufficient power to a big enough electric motor to satisfy all possible operating scenarios,then they might have something..
Personally I hate batteries of any sort--they are always dying or dead,take too long to recharge,or have a short life span--and they are loaded with hazardous chemicals..
Ever have a flashlight battery leak and see what it does to the innards ?..picture what a vehicle will look like if a battery gets cracked in an accident or a defect,or other minor incident in a few months --the residue will corrode the hell out of the vehicle..
No denying Tesla and Elon have a big fan base. They drink his kool-aid in gallon jugs so no surprise there. But it's not making a big dent in the overall scope of how many full size trucks are sold per year. For some perspective some numbers from the 2018 model year total sales(rounded to even numbers):
Ford F-series 909,000 units
Silverado 585,000
Ram 536,000
GMC Sierra 224,000
Tundra 118,000
Titan 50,000
That total is 2,422,000 full size trucks sold in 2018. Yeah the pre-sale numbers come above the Tundra or Titan, but come nowhere close to the totals put out by the big 3. It's no wonder Tesla is going after the truck market since it's where the volume is and it's the big 3's most profitable segment. Musk has proven he doesn't has the capacity to pull off the volume that the big 3 have. He's going to have a problem if the demand really comes in to not be able to build them. Currently, the plant is set to go to 250,000 units per year with the push to expand to 500,000 per year. Building 3 models, X, 3 and truck splits the production capacity down. Musk is betting the farm here. But the numbers don't pan out at his current production capacity. He won't be able to keep pace with the mainstream even if he has the demand for it. Add to the fact GM and Ford both plan on having a fully electric truck on the ground a year before Tesla isn't going to help.
All true, but that 146,000 pre-orders is in a couple of days. He could run into not being able to produce...and the rest of us could be faced with seeing these ugly truck everywhere!
For this of you questioning if an electronic truck can tow, here's a series of tow tests done to the Model X. It does some things good or average but others not so good...
gonefishin
1/2 ton status
I kinda like it. If they just restyled the body a little better and gave me another 100-150 mile range I’d seriously consider buying the 3 motor version...
My commute to work is about 250 miles each way a couple times a month. I have no way of charging it while it’s parked at the heliport for 2-3 weeks, but solar bed cover could fix that...
I have my diesel truck to pull trailers with so I don’t need to pull with the tesla. I just need the truck bed for trips to the hardware store or taking out the four wheeler occasionally... I almost put a deposit down on one.
My commute to work is about 250 miles each way a couple times a month. I have no way of charging it while it’s parked at the heliport for 2-3 weeks, but solar bed cover could fix that...
I have my diesel truck to pull trailers with so I don’t need to pull with the tesla. I just need the truck bed for trips to the hardware store or taking out the four wheeler occasionally... I almost put a deposit down on one.
So what it looks like is the truck will be able to tow 14k lbs for like 35 miles and then need a pit stop at a supercharging station, unless they have found a way to be reduce battery consumption.
I don't see how they will reduce consumption much. The systems are fairly efficient. It just takes a lot of energy to go up. Regenerative braking could be a towing advantage for EV. Just keep the regen on all the time on descent instead of engine braking and get energy back for the next climb. The huge inefficiency is the constant wind drag.
There are already areas (mostly in the mountains) that require careful planning to get to gas or diesel in time. I wouldn't want to try it with the current electrical infrastructure.
Like was said earlier you're not buying it because you tow all the time. What most of the pickups on the road do most of the time, the EV would work. But if you had the electric truck, would it do everything you need, or would you still need another truck?
There are already areas (mostly in the mountains) that require careful planning to get to gas or diesel in time. I wouldn't want to try it with the current electrical infrastructure.
Like was said earlier you're not buying it because you tow all the time. What most of the pickups on the road do most of the time, the EV would work. But if you had the electric truck, would it do everything you need, or would you still need another truck?
146,000 pre orders at $100 each equates to $14,600,000 in his pocket
Over 200,000 now. Crazy town...
Has anyone mentioned the moon sized blind spot in the a pillar yet?
Fiat drivers only go straight. It looks like a hummer3 with a bed,
ChrisAwesome
1/2 ton status
I signed up. It's only $100 and fully refundable. I hate how it looks, but I still signed up. I can always cancel.
I think most of the people did same thing. As it sits today, I can't see myself spending all that money on the ugly truck.
I think most of the people did same thing. As it sits today, I can't see myself spending all that money on the ugly truck.
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