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The ideal bumper pull trailer

Stupid question time.......

Rather than all the self-abuse and brain fires trying to figure out the ideal fender setup, why not specify "deck-over", or whatever it's called when the load deck is above the tires? Seems to me this is a better solution than drive-over or removable fenders...
 
jarheadk5 said:
why not specify "deck-over",...
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Deck over make the center of gravity higher. Not such a big deal with a gooseneck, but considerable difference with a pull behind.
 
jarheadk5 said:
Stupid question time.......

Rather than all the self-abuse and brain fires trying to figure out the ideal fender setup, why not specify "deck-over", or whatever it's called when the load deck is above the tires? Seems to me this is a better solution than drive-over or removable fenders...



BurbLover said:
Deck over make the center of gravity higher. Not such a big deal with a gooseneck, but considerable difference with a pull behind.
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Bingo... My junk is like 8 feet tall as it is, if I can keep it a foot lower on the trailer then I'm all for it. Plus a normal style trailer will be easier to put other cars on in the future. I may get a drag car or something in the future, it would suck to have a trailer that's too tall to get it on.:D

RJF, I stand corrected, you have plenty of backspacing, your rims are just too wide. :p:
 
A strong frame mounted cleves to connect winch cable to pull up broke down k-5.


Taillights that are mounted where they aren't easly broken.... from loading and un loading of trailer...

nice tunge weight when loaded.....

I like the pig tail wiring coupler......trailer and tow rig both have plugs... plug cable in trailer and tow rig and you have power.

Great set of trailer brakes...........
 
Shaggy said:
RJF, your rims are just too wide. :p:
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They would be on your truck but not mine. :p:


I would go gooseneck if I was going to build a custom trailer, it just makes more sense to me, unless a burb is the only tow rig. A big hole saw in the roof could maybe fix that though..... :laugh:
 
LIke I said, gooseneck is not an option since I need the bed of the truck for other things.

Well I've sent emails to 7 different railer manufacturers over the last few days and have gotten no replies. Either they're slow to respond, don't give a rats ass about building special trailers, or don't know how to work email.
 
www.jayhawktrailers.com look in customer rigs you will see what your looking for behind a lifted DMAX. They made it to order for me. The drive over fenders are out of 10" channel, they also make a good work bench too. It has everything your talking about at a insane price.....Tell Aaron(owner) Toby sent ya, if your interested. BTW empty your PM box....
 
Shaggy said:
K30CJ, a gooseneck is out of the question for me, I am going to be running a slide-in camper too so I need the bed for that. I can't do the camper/rig hauler gooseneck combo thing that guys are doing now because I'll want to take the camper places without the truck, like to take the boat to the lake or just go "normal" camping in the woods without the truck.

I do want the lights built into the trailer like that though, going to have to ask about that.
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I understand. I have a truck camper on my goose. In fact, I'm looking to replace it with a newer camper right now. I'd like to have the option to use the camper in the bed or on the trailer. The pain is getting it on and off the trailer. It is a lowboy with full 102" fenders. My only brainstorm so far is to make some killer steel sawhorses to put under the camper after is is raised off the trailer. The sawhorses would be quite long to clear the trailer fenders, then I could pull the trailer away. To get my current camper on, it took fork trucks on both sides to hold it up while I backed under it.

If anyone knows of a truck camper for sale, let me know.:)
 
Shaggy said:
Bingo... My junk is like 8 feet tall as it is, if I can keep it a foot lower on the trailer then I'm all for it. Plus a normal style trailer will be easier to put other cars on in the future. I may get a drag car or something in the future, it would suck to have a trailer that's too tall to get it on.:D
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I see and totally understand your point about CG, but with all else being equal (tire size, axle rating, whatever), is there really a 1' difference in deck height? I'm thinking about all the different trailers I see daily (casually; i.e. passing on the road, not professionally) and I'm just not seeing it.
Maybe I'd see it better if I went to a dealer and compared for myself........ Oh well; I'll quit buggin' you guys now. ;)
 
jarheadk5 said:
I see and totally understand your point about CG, but with all else being equal (tire size, axle rating, whatever), is there really a 1' difference in deck height? I'm thinking about all the different trailers I see daily (casually; i.e. passing on the road, not professionally) and I'm just not seeing it.
Maybe I'd see it better if I went to a dealer and compared for myself........ Oh well; I'll quit buggin' you guys now. ;)
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On my car hauler it is about 10" from the deck to the top of the fenders, which just have enough room to clear the tires. Obviously a deck-over version of this trailer would be at least 10" taller.....probably more since it would have to clear the deck frame which is much thicker than just the fenders.

I also found when shopping for trailers that a deck-over trailer was more expensive than an equivalent standard trailer.
 
Shaggy said:
Well I've sent emails to 7 different railer manufacturers over the last few days and have gotten no replies. Either they're slow to respond, don't give a rats ass about building special trailers, or don't know how to work email.
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Have you contacted Kaufman Trailers out of N.C? www.kaufmantrailers.com.

That's where I bought mine from. Check out this one they offer, pretty close to what you want without being completely custom. If you get the stake pocket/rub rail option it basically widens the deck by 2" on each side for about $100. Diamond plate fenders or removeable fenders are a pretty cheap option also.....
20' 10k trailer
 
i think the bulldog hitch is a PITA big time. i had serious pains trying to get it unhitched most of the time. it Pi$$ed me off to the point that i quit tring. i just ended up taking the load off of the truck and removing the pin from the receiver tube and pulling FWD. it wasnt safe as i would like, but it wored first time every time. i had ample grease on the hitch and ball, but it was always bound up. i tried everything to no luck. i would get a standard hitch on it.

also i would get the jacks put at the front corners of the trailer, not on the tounge. its more stable this way and easier to load and unload let alone safer. it would cost a bit more, but i think be worth it. or maybe make it a sugested option to the folks you are asking to build them.

who are you aking to build them? i had great luck and would go back to Kaufmann trailers out of texas in a heart beat. they had AWESOME customer service and AWESOME quality.
Grant
 
Kaufman got back to me and said that it's illegal to build a tag trailer with a deck wider than 83". Either they don't understand what I was asking for or there's a wierd law in Texas.

The only other place that's gotten back to me is Cal-Trak and they quoted $4100, which seems outrageous.
 
Don't forget there is 2 different Kaufman's......one in Texas and one in North Carolina (the link I posted).

On deck width, I know every state is a little different but I can't see why you couldn't have deck width over 83". I'm guessing they were thinking along the lines that the entire deck, even between the fenderwells, had to be the 86" which would make the overall trailer width past the standard 102" limit.

The $4,000+ quote doesn't surprise me since you are getting outside the normal production lines..........the problem with going full custom.
 
Kaufman in NC would probably be too much because it's so far away, delivery would be a killer. I think they're like $1.00 a loaded mile, even with 3 trailers loaded on each other it would be a grand, and they would charge for the extra trailers, ont just send em along for free.

I got a feeling that I'll end up buying something off of a lot and maybe modifying it to my needs. I've seen a few deckovers recently that aren't so bad, the tires tuck real close to the deck and have little minifenders over them, so the deck is still high but not as high as a full on equipment trailer.
 
6.2Blazer said:
The $4,000+ quote doesn't surprise me since you are getting outside the normal production lines..........the problem with going full custom.
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I agree with that. Shaggy, remember some of the stuff you are making a "special request" could be easily added to a normal production trailer after you take delivery. Wouldn't be that hard at all to add some width to the trailer, drive over fenders, change the coupler to a Bulldog, extra tie downs or whatever else. Also, think about looking around for a used trailer. I often see used car/equipment trailers for sale at reasonable prices, and every part of a trailer (except for the frame to a point) is serviceable, and most trailer parts are reasonably priced if you know where to buy.
 
If you end up finding a trailer east of Denver, let me know. I will be making a trip from Denver to Virginia sometime in April to move some fo our stuff out there, and will most likely have an empty truck and possibly a trailer coming back here. Not sure if that helps, but there are a couple of good trailer manufacturers in NC.
 
Shaggy said:
Kaufman in NC would probably be too much because it's so far away, delivery would be a killer. I think they're like $1.00 a loaded mile, even with 3 trailers loaded on each other it would be a grand, and they would charge for the extra trailers, ont just send em along for free.
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It could be, but you also might be surprised. I know they sell trailers to individuals and trailer dealerships all over the country, so you might be able to work out a deal where they could throw it on a large shipment going to one or several dealerships closer to you.....they often haul semi loads of smaller trailers at a time. In any case I saved almost a grand (I paid just under $2k, local shop wanted almost $3k) by buying direct compared to what a very large local trailer shop wanted for the exact same style AND brand of trailer.
 
Hmm...Not that hard to find a trailer like you want Shaggy. This one is almost exactly what you want-
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It's a PJ trailer. There are a couple small differences from what you quoted. The ramps are a different style. Has 7k lb axles. I can't remember if it's 18' or 20' overall. The spare is mounted in the wrong spot for you. I don't like the Bulldog stlye hitch either. It's a pain in the ass to hitch and un-hitch. It didn't have any tie downs that I liked, so I added 6 big d-rings. It has crossmembers on 12" centers. 16" 8lug wheels that I can use on my tow rig if needed.

It's wide enough that my 1 ton rig with 42's on 9" wide 4" BS rims fits between the fenders with alittle less than an inch clearance on either side. If I don't get it exactly centered when I drive on the trailer, the fenders will flex out of the way slightly.Having drive over fenders will be alot less forgiving. Fenders are removeable too, so I can take them off if I'm hauling something stupidly wide. My gramps bought it for something like $4500 IIRC. Got it at a trailer yard in either Reno, NV or Winnemuca, NV, can't remember which. If you want, I can get more detials- what he paid for it, and where exactly he bought it etc.
 
Talked to gramps about the trailer today. He got a way better deal on it than I originally thought. Only paid $3200 for it. Bought it at a place in Winnemucca, NV called Good Morning Furniture. And according to the pink slip it weighs 2500lbs and has just under 13k gvwr? I think thats the proper acronym. Anyways, I know it sounds odd for a furniture place to sell trailers, but I guess they have a pretty good selction of trailers in stock. Sounds like a pretty good thing for you guys that are searchin for the absolute best deal. They don't have a website but I did find a phone #[size=-1] 775-623-6200.
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