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The Story Of A Cummins Suburban (Lots Of Pics)

Nick...

"I was chatting with a tech at a dealer in town and he said that 12pt bolts on the starter is fairly common across the board with several different manufacturers. Probably just the typical sadistic engineer crap."

Even the bigger motors have the same 12pt set up on the 42 MT's...

Nice to see that the dream that lit your eyes up in 2002 has finally come full circle!

No a huge dodge fan...but the price was right (14.5k...crank no start) which was an easy fix...(ecm). The 2 selling points were 1) Cummins 2) SFA...if i had bought another 2500 HD i would have cut the front IFS out of it day one and swapped in a SFA for durability in the earl patch which murdered the IFS.
So far...ecm...all new brakes...park brake cable...a few minor interior pieces...windshield...ATS air horn...3000 turbo...exhaust manifold...HID lights and fogs....and i managed to salvage my bullydog programmer from the 06 duramax and just reload it with the cummins software. Ran the the ohead this am with 109k on the clock...some loose valves...but not really that bad. Also been f'ng with the boost fooler...and now i have awesome power all the way to 2800....and 20 plus mpg...go finger a 1 ton dually getting 20mpg on semi wheels...

Well...if ya doo decide to find a front clip...i'll help ya out as i remember they are not cheap.

Tryin like hell to decide what to do with the 79 and or the chalet.
Story is the 79 know has a whipple on it...walker evan shocks and
all the other bucket of coins thats been spent on it over the years
and it now has a light weight in awesome shape...lightweight 4wheel
pop top camper that i need to reseal to cab properly...and have fun adding stuff inside. Or...save or pitch the chalet. Made it all the way back from phx no issues only to loose number 6 in delta...so...bad motor...good 3/4 gear..good H2 wheels and tires...rare camper....and a swiss cheese body...
so in effect i can't sell it...do i keep it so i can get down to maybe on K5...or two if i keep the 78 2wd i have out back? So hard to make up my mind...i have a fair mind to sell all three and replace them with a new 4 door heep so i have a dependable back up rig thats child friendly....

About 10k away from breaking even minus the 2700 bonez a month alimony and child support payments...and i want to save for a cheap house or townhouse in az so no matter what happens i have my 2 biggest life issues solved...a paid for truck and a paid for house so if the patch takes another hit i am not homeless again...

Any thoughts brother nick?

Columbia sounds good...will be a few months as i need to break even and save about 7k or so so my bills are covered even if i take a month off. And i need to buy a trailer to haul the 79 with as well....its all puzzle pieces i tell ya.

PS...you forgot to mention in your history lesson that the road from cleator to crown king (named after the crowned king mine) was originaly a rail bed to haul ore out of that district back in the day...

PPS...ask marv or harley and or fred about a trail run we did on the east side of table mesa many moons ago...emptied out to the sweetest camp site i have ever seen in my live right on the verde!

Yeah, it's amazing the mileage that can be pulled off with these motors in vehicles that weigh well over three tons.

The plans for a paid off house and truck sounds like a good idea as I don't want to hear that phone call again.

Speaking of phone calls, give me one when you have cell coverage. I have a couple things I'd like to chat about.
 
A few weeks back when the hail hit, my sister's Accord got damaged in a different storm at the same time. Their hail wasn't quite as large as the hail we got at work, but it was still large enough to dent her car up pretty good. The insurance company totalled it out, so she decided it was time to get a new Accord. I was over there last week and I found the window sticker with the EPA estimated mileages on it and noticed the city mileage on this four cylinder, super-aerodynamic economy car is 21 mpg. I pointed this out to her and then mentioned that the city mileage on that super-aerodynamic, economy Suburban sitting there in the driveway is ALSO 21 mpg.
Yeah, hers waxes mine on the highway mileage, but I thought it was pretty funny that a small econo-car like that gets the same city mileage as my orange truck.
 
I'm not sure what car companies are doing lately, because with all the technology and engineering shouldn't mileage figures be going up?? My wife has an 03 civic with a 1.7 w/ 5spd and it gets over 40mpg! Why can't the new cars do better, or at least as good?

I think your truck kicks a$$ in more ways than just good mpg's!:bow:
 
I think American, Jap, and Korean auto manufacturers need to put more diesel powered vehicles on the market here. According to Consumer Reports own testing, a Prius got 35 city, 50 highway. Volkswagen had AMCI do an independent test on a Jetta TDI, and they got 38 city and 44 highway. The heavier and less aerodynamic Jetta actually beat a Prius in the city, which is where hybrids are supposed to shine, and it didn't give up much on the highway (the Prius is light and extremely aerodynamic, which gives it a big edge at highway speeds). Everyone knows hybrids are resource and energy intensive to build compared to non-hybrids, and will need at least one battery pack replacement during the cars' lifetime. Diesel cars probably beat hybrids in cradle-to-grave costs, emissions, and resource usage, and diesel hybrids could do even better. Makes me wonder what machinations are at work to prevent their marketing here - it's not the EPA, since one manufacturer already meets all the EPA standards and markets their vehicle here... :dunno:
 
Someone had sent me an email or pm awhile back asking what the p/n is on the water inlet housing that I used. I lost the email or pm, but I found the number for the part. The water inlet housing that I used is #3930888. If you give this number to a Cummins parts guy, he should be able to go backwards with it on Cummins QuickServe and bring up all the pertinent part numbers for the rest of the associated pieces/hardware/gaskets/seals.

Sorry for the delay.
 
I'm not sure what car companies are doing lately, because with all the technology and engineering shouldn't mileage figures be going up?? My wife has an 03 civic with a 1.7 w/ 5spd and it gets over 40mpg! Why can't the new cars do better, or at least as good?

I think your truck kicks a$$ in more ways than just good mpg's!:bow:

Thanks!!

I think American, Jap, and Korean auto manufacturers need to put more diesel powered vehicles on the market here. According to Consumer Reports own testing, a Prius got 35 city, 50 highway. Volkswagen had AMCI do an independent test on a Jetta TDI, and they got 38 city and 44 highway. The heavier and less aerodynamic Jetta actually beat a Prius in the city, which is where hybrids are supposed to shine, and it didn't give up much on the highway (the Prius is light and extremely aerodynamic, which gives it a big edge at highway speeds). Everyone knows hybrids are resource and energy intensive to build compared to non-hybrids, and will need at least one battery pack replacement during the cars' lifetime. Diesel cars probably beat hybrids in cradle-to-grave costs, emissions, and resource usage, and diesel hybrids could do even better. Makes me wonder what machinations are at work to prevent their marketing here - it's not the EPA, since one manufacturer already meets all the EPA standards and markets their vehicle here... :dunno:

Yeah, I was amazed that her new car was only 21mpg in town. I figured it would be doing the thirty-ish like paramedic's wife's Civic. The VW TDI's are often heard doing fifty or better on the highway, but it is with that dirty, nasty, evil diesel fuel. Hell, look at what OTR guys are getting in their trucks. It varies quite a bit depending on conditions, but 5-8mpg in something that weighs that much--even empty?? Extrapolate those numbers out for a GVW of a car and the numbers would be off the scale.

Diesel fuel is the debil!!
 
I haven't been doing much to this lately except driving it and basic service. We decided to go up north and play in the fresh snow today. We were going to head over to my buddy's place (previous snow pics in this thread), but due to circumstances beyond our control, it ended up not being in our best interest to travel that far today. So, that being the case, we decided to just head up to Prescott. It should be a nice drive and it is high enough in elevation to get the snow necessary to operate the sled we brought along. The interstates were closed up north and the snow was tapering off this am, so we figured with a forecast of light flurries in Prescott we would be cool.

Well, the journey started off beautifully. We left the house ahead of schedule and with the interstate we were traveling on being closed north of where we were going, traffic was almost non-existent. The roads were clear and the sun was shining:

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Absolutely beautiful. The left lane was recently cindered, so passing was an easy task. We traveled down the road getting closer to our destination and when we got to Prescott Valley we had to stop for a red light. Upon accelereation from the light I immediately discovered the need to lock the front hubs and engage the front axle. I did that and all was well. Truck drives great in snow even with the Detroit locker in the rear and mud tires (not so good in ice, of course). Well, we got a bit closer to Prescott and we ran into the "light flurries" that were forecasted:

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Yeah, visibility was not so good. We pulled into a parking lot to wait it out and see what happened:

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We sat there for a bit and about ten minutes after the "light flurries" subsided, we were left with this:

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It worked out good because I had called a friend of mine that lives up there and he was actually home so we swung by there. He was loading his hooptie up to go wheeling while we were there:

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Right on the other side of his buggy happens to be a hill perfect for letting my boy test gravity on his sled. It was pretty steep and ended with a fenceline at the bottom but he did a good job of stopping before he hit it.

We played around there for a while and then headed in to town to get something to eat. After we ate, we started heading back down the hill. On the way, we were greeted with some white hills that weren't so white when we passed them coming in:

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I stopped somewhere along the way to unlock the hubs and was greeted with the beginnings of ice beards on the hubs: (the dents in the hub cap are previous hail damage)

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So all in all it was a fun day. I did have some problems leading up to the departure, but nothing that was going to put the truck out of service. I will post more details as soon as I figure out exactly what happened.
 
Cool pics, I always enjoy checking in on this thread. :waytogo:

Thanks!!

Well, now that my project is tapering off, I am able to accurately inventory my parts and supplies that have accumulated over the past eight years or so. I have made it a mission to organize the shop/shed/side yard/etc. It was getting pretty bad out there. Walking through my shop was very similar to walking through a three foot snow drift. Waaay too much stuff. I started cleaning it out a few weeks ago. I am throwing away, recycling, scrapping or organizing what I have. So far it has worked great. I am ejoying all of the available space I have now. I have gotten rid of about 10-12 garbage cans of stuff, probably the same number of recycle cans, I loaded the Suburban with about 1800lb of scrap, and I have a load of household hazmat and what looks like one dump run and one more trip to the scrap yard left. Ironically, I have not gone through my stash of Suburban parts yet. I have just been making room around the shop.

So, as I clean, I find more and more stuff. Some that was or is slated for installation on the Sub. Some of the stuff has been bouncing around for awhile. One of those items was a pinion shovel for the 14FF that I got from DIY 4X4. I had installed it when I got it, but the bolts were the wrong length and did not engage enough threads. I bought different bolts, but they were too long. Bah!! I pulled it off and left it in the shop. Well, I got sick of moving it around so I grabbed it and a handful of bolts and put it on. No issues whatsoever. I have no idea why it gave me so much grief prior, but I got it on now. I guess I really don't need it so much now that he pinion is rotated up now, but I figured I had it and I am sick of moving it in the shop, so maybe it will do some good on the truck instead.

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I also came across a set of airbags that I had. These had not been lingering around for too long, but I still had moved them several times. So on they went. I pretty much used them as they were, but I used some of the IHC flange head bolts and flange lock-nut for the bracketry. These got used when I hauled the 1800+ pounds of scrap to the yard. I am engineering an air compressor setup on the truck to fill the bags. I haven't gotten it finished, so it is just bags right now.

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I put new backup lenses in the truck when I built it a couple years ago. They turned yellow almost immediately. I picked up a set of NOS Guide backup lenses recently and decided to throw them in.

Crap vs NOS:

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More crap vs NOS:

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So with the craptastic quality of the backup lenses, I was a bit leery of getting aftermarket park lamp lenses for the front bumper. Well, in amongst my cleaning, I found the original bumper that was bent up pretty good at the frame shop once-upon-a-time. Whoa, the lenses look pretty good. I compared them to the ones that came in my used bumper and my originals are much brighter than those, so I swapped my originals back in:

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So I am still in full-on cleaning mode, but some progress is being made on the truck. Hopefully I will get the rest of this cleaned up and get on to some projects that I am hoping to do while it is still cool out.
 
Cant wait till I get my projects done and can get rid of stuff :D, yeah who am I kidding I am stuck with it for life :laugh:
 
I guess things are getting a bit boring around this thread as I haven't been doing much except driving this thing lately. So, with that being the case, I will bore you some more with some fantastic pictures of my recent adventure. Actually they are not that fantastic, but hey, maybe it will inspire more people to get their tin in the wind as opposed to having their junk in the driveway.

On with the boredom!! Well, there was some spring break activity around the house so plans were made. Those plans quickly deteriorated as the plans were a bit ambitious for the time given to complete the adventure. I decided to put a plan together to see if some dirt could be put under the BFG's. Success was achieved.

Once upon a time, long, long ago, before the age of highways (or cars for that matter), there was a mining community called Jerome (yeah, the same one as before--what can I say, I like the town). In this town they mined copper. The only way for supplies to get into town and ore to get out was to pack it on mule/burros and haul it out. This is a very expensive way to transport ore (especially when copper prices drop). It was decided that a better way needed to be developed. The better way was a railroad. There was no easy way to get there though. That minor detail did not stop them from building one anyway. So, this railroad had to be narrow gauge because of the terrain it had to traverse. It is claimed that it was the crookedest railroad in the world when it was built--I have not verified this, but in the twelve miles right out of Jerome, there are 126 curves in it just right there, so I would say that it is a plausible statement. When finished it would run about thirty miles over to a town called Jerome Junction (now called Chino Valley) where it met up with the standard gauge railroad.

Sometime after the invention of the motor vehicle and improved road systems, this railroad was deemed obsolete as supplies were brough up through the valley instead of over the mountain (and there were smelters on site at this point), so the tracks were pulled up and it became just another dirt road. Well, this dirt road still exists today, and we ran it (again). The last trip to Jerome came into town from the east, this one comes in from the west.

Ok, enough of the blah, blah. Here are some pics.

The rail road starts out in high desert scrub and is basically just a long straight dirt road. After a while it strts gaining some altitude and starts bending and weaving more. It is a nice narrow shelf road once it hits the hills:

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It continues on and there are several narrow cuts through hills/mountains:

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Along the way, years ago, I found this thing that I guess would be best described as a culvert. It goes under the rail bed and is made of red rock monoliths.

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The craftsmanship of this thing is gorgeous!! This was made to be functional--not aesthetically pleasing, but the men who built it crafted it in such a way that it is amazing to look at. This thing would be a steel tube today. This is all hand finished red rock:

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This 45* bend in the abutment is on the downstream side of the culvert. I have no idea why it is there on the downstream side, but it gives an idea of the quality of workmanship involved:

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This is the only one that I know of on the line, but it is so hard to find that there may be several more and I just never saw them. It is very well hidden and even knowing where it is, it is very difficult to re-find. Along the trail the color of the rock being driven over changes regularly. In the middle of this pic you can see the rock change from grey to red (right to left was the direction of travel at this point):

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Somewhere along the way, my orange Suburban became camouflaged with its surroundings--kind of a rare occurence with an orange vehicle:

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That pic was taken with my phone because at some point, in the middle of nowhere my phone goes off. I have a text message. It was the guy filling in for me at work texting me to say he hates the area that I work in and that I need to come back to work so he doesn't have to run it anymore. Well, being the comassionate person that I am, I began taking pics every few minutes and sending them to him. He did not see the humor in it that I did. Some people.

The limestone that was used in the smelter was quarried not too far from town on the railroad. This is near the quarry:

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Gratuitous truck shot: (another phone pic)

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Well, this gets us close to Jerome. I have pics (and stories) that continue on from here that I can post if anyone would like some additional boredom, but I am out of time for today.
 
Beautiful territory, would like to do some of that myself. Maybe after I get a new transmission in the gas prices will drop to a point that allows me to take Krusty more than a mile.

As for the 45 on the downhill side, it is to allow the water to spread out as quicly as possible and avoid cutting a deep channel that would eventually undercut the railroad.
 

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