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TnA's 86 Jimmy Shop Build / Product Development Thread - (Trailing Arms?!?!)

On another note, after about a total of 8.5 hours, here is the pile of "Truckie" parts, and the bare shell that's left.
I need to take a bunch of little things off still, but I think by Monday, the shell will be on it's way to the crushed. That will be a very sad day!

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Funny how we get attached to a bunch of steel isn't it? I sure as heck won't call you crazy!

I know that you will do something neat with the parts though!
 
Funny how we get attached to a bunch of steel isn't it? I sure as heck won't call you crazy!

I know that you will do something neat with the parts though!

Yeah, it's like getting rid of an old girlfriend! Lol. After I drop her off at the junkyard, I'm gonna be like "What did I just do!?" (thanks for that quote Brenden)

What is your plan for those super singles?

The Super Singles are for a 1946 Chevy 2-ton truck that will eventually be "The Hauler". I'm just accumulating parts for it at the moment. I've got the wheels and tires, and the truck. That's about as far as I've been able to pick up so far - still looking for a Duramax that is reasonably priced (might be a while to find that!) and a front hydraulic brake 10-lug drop axle out of a C5500 or something for it.

Here's a mock-up of the tires and wheels on it:
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Here she is, ready for the trip to the scrappers on Monday!

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Here's the list of stuff I pulled off of her....

Front & Rear Axles
Suspension Links, Coilovers, Driveshafts, Steering Box, Steering Linkage
Engine, Transmission, Transfer Case, Transfer Case Shifter
Winch, Rock Lights
Front Bucket Seats, Stereo, Speakers, CB Radio, Center Console
Steering Wheel, Steering Column, & Shaft
I left the radiator and power steering cooler I had in there since they were damaged already.

I know that's pretty much everything, but can anyone think of anything else I should grab before she goes?? I feel like I'm forgetting something, but can't think of what.

-Darren
 
So I recently bought new 3D CAD software. I was using an *OLD* version of Solidworks for years, and was considering buying into the newest version - but the price had me quivering in my shorts. It's not cheap, let's just say - since I use sheetmetal and FEA analysis it's even more expensive than just the base version. SO I started looking around at other options.
When I was in school, I had used Autodesk Inventor (actually the 1st 3D solid-modelling software I ever used) - but then when I used Solidworks I was sold on that - much more intuitive interface for me personally. So that's what I've been using ever since.
Autodesk is apparently really giving it a go at trying to take back some of the market, and the pricing on their software (with HSM - high speed machining, FEA built-in, and sheetmetal too) basically came in at a little less than 1/4 of Solidworks with the same options. So I downloaded a 30 day trial, and started fooling around with it. From what I can see, it can do just about anything my old version of Solidworks can do and more. The interface is going to take some getting used to for sure - there are little things that are infuriating to do compared to SW, but then there are some things that are sooooo much quicker that I think it's a wash as far as time to create a drawing goes.
I ended up making the purchase a few days ago. Today was the first day I had to start a design from scratch in it - not going off of a converted SW model. And in sheetmetal no less. I was worried at the start...
So I ended up getting this design down in a couple hours - really not too bad all things considered:

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I tried to render it in Inventor Studio, and came out with this... I should have selected a proper material for it to be more realistic, but the detail looks great other than that:

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Then I sent the pieces to the plasma table, and cut them out. Interestingly, the way Inventor exports the dxf files, I actually save a step in the plasma software on every single part I bring in. That's pretty awesome all on it's own!
After cutting the pieces out, and cleaning them up, I put the pieces that needed to be bent into my home-made press brake and bent them up according to the dimensions that Inventor gave me. Then I placed the rear bolt plate onto the bent part and slid a bolt through, crossing my fingers... In a model designed in SW, even after knowing it's "quirks", proper fitment might take 2 or 3 tries here. Holy Sh!t, it fit perfect on the first try, with all the basic "stock" program settings in Inventor!!!! Take a look at how nicely parallel and aligned the bolt is here:

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So here is the final product after all is said and done. Very happy with the results. It's F'ing amazing to be able to start a design in the morning, and then end up with something like this in the afternoon!!!!!!

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In case any of you are wondering, this is a set of (custom) rear spring hangers for a K30, matching the 1-ton frame, but with the leaf springs set away from the frame the same distance as the lighter trucks - so the customer can use a zero-lift shackle flip of mine at the rear, and these at the front under a 1-ton, and be able to bolt up a 14-bolt from a lighter-duty truck. This is a rare case when I custom fab something for someone over email without having the truck on site. I really hope everything fits!!


-Darren
 
I am so going to check this out now, SW is crazy price wise.. thanks for sharing this!
 
I am so going to check this out now, SW is crazy price wise.. thanks for sharing this!

No problem!! They gave me a hell of a deal - their fiscal year ended Jan 31 and I scooped the deal a day or two before it ended. I can give you my contact there if you would like. But I'd go to their website and download the 30 day trial version for free first to evaluate it - it's the whole full version too!

Also, I didn't mean to diss SW in my previous post - I still think it's a little more user-friendly, and I'm sure the newest version would be everthing Inventor is - but I just can't afford it, lol!!

The other thing I noticed in Inventor is that you are forced to create associative sketches a little differently - and only in one way with most things. It's hard to explain, but in general you have to be a little more deliberate in the way you tell it to create things. SW didn't care and would let you do things any way you wanted - which I think leads to models "falling apart" later on when you make a change to a part of it. I'm hoping (although not verified yet of course) that Inventor will be more stable in terms of editing parts of large assemblies. It has yet to be seen though.
 
Inventor was always my favorite in school, though I haven't used it in a couple years now (Work is exclusively Unigraphics NX)

I always found Inventor to be a little more stable with associative and cross-linked assemblys, but the best way I found to stop my models from exploding was actually to use the functions/expressions tool, and link all my dimensions to a function, which is then linked to a spreadsheet. Then I would link the same spreadsheet to all my components. Any dimension that is shared across the assembly can then be changed in the spreadsheet and all the components update accordingly. With good use of design intent, I rarely had a model or assembly completely explode using this method...

Inventor does have a very good sheet metal workbench too, its nearly as good as the NX aircraft sheetmetal tools, but far easier to use (at least IMHO)
 
Inventor was always my favorite in school, though I haven't used it in a couple years now (Work is exclusively Unigraphics NX)

I always found Inventor to be a little more stable with associative and cross-linked assemblys, but the best way I found to stop my models from exploding was actually to use the functions/expressions tool, and link all my dimensions to a function, which is then linked to a spreadsheet. Then I would link the same spreadsheet to all my components. Any dimension that is shared across the assembly can then be changed in the spreadsheet and all the components update accordingly. With good use of design intent, I rarely had a model or assembly completely explode using this method...

Inventor does have a very good sheet metal workbench too, its nearly as good as the NX aircraft sheetmetal tools, but far easier to use (at least IMHO)

The latest version of Inventor has a large "functions/paramters" button on the toolbar that is very easy access and readily available - so adding in equations and parameters for the model should be super easy now. In my old version of SW, finding the equations editor was horrible, and so I trained myself to set a particular dimension on a part, and then design the rest of the model around that dimension - which works fine as long as you remember how you built the model. However, coming back to a model a year after it was designed could prove a nightmare to try and modify it. I'll be trying to re-train myself to build things exactly how you describe now - all based on user-entered parameters that can have descriptions and such - so later on it would be easy to change something and still have a stable model.
I also like the Inventor "weldments" - it actually works, lol. There are some things that are going to take some learning with it, but I think the added functionality will be awesome. So far, the best thing I have found in the sheetmetal section is that I can sketch a flat "plate" on one plane, then another flat "plate" on another plane - and dimension them accordingly. Then I can connect them with a "bend" - and it will automatically figure out everything for a bent part and calculate a flat pattern. I can also make a flat plate, and then add a flange to it like in SW if need be. But to be able to design two plates on different angled planes is super helpful, at least the way my brain works, lol.

More to come, I'm sure....
 
I used Inventor a lot in high school and i still tinker with it now and then... It helps my brother has a student email (you get three years free)
 
double bump!

It's bump day!

Lol, I was just thinking that I needed to post up here the other day and let everyone know what was going on... Thanks for the extra "push" you guys ;)

SOOOOOO, a few of you know but I think most of you don't - a few months ago I was pushing really hard to go full-force with a manufacturing business. I had an investor lined up (and a backup investor if he couldn't come through), a couple partners and a few new product ideas (some Squarebody related, some completely unrelated), even was ready to purchase the building I had been sharing with another business. Things were looking great! I was super excited to let you all know that I was going to be around more and have more time to devote to new products / production of existing products...

...AND THEN...

Life, as we all know, happened. Fast forward a couple months (and many sleepless nights and general craziness) and I have had ALL my investors back out (nothing against them really, just really crappy timing for life events to happen to both of them), I'm losing my building I'm in, and I'm even single suddenly now. Wow things fell apart quickly.

But, I still have a day job, a roof over my head, and food on the table so I am thankful for that. Business-wise though I pretty much lost everything I was trying for. I am moving my shop into a "storage" facility for the time being which is very small compared to what I have been used to. I might be able to sell off some things that take up more space than they are worth, and after a while, be able to build a few things out of the facility I'm in. But no timeline even starting to form on that yet. It may not even be possible to operate out of such a small space. I had to sign a year lease to get it, so hopefully I'll be in a position to upgrade after a year if I can't start making things again sooner.

Along the lines of paring things down - I think I want to keep my Pickup and build that in the future more than I want to build the Jimmy further (still thinking go-fast hybrid build for it). So that means that I need to consider selling the Jimmy "prototype rig". I'm having a hard time with that, but I think if I am going to sell it, I'd love to see it go to someone on these forums rather than Joe Shmoe on craigslist. Not real sure what to even ask for it, I'll have to give that some more thought. Any ideas from anyone here on what something like that would be worth?? Anyone here want to make an offer? I'm open to suggestions/offers on it right now.

Laters!
Darren
 
That sucks. Been there. Not the single part, but the rest of it. Keep your head up and find a direction forward.

As for the Jimmy. No idea. That would be like me pricing mine. No clue.

Thanks man, I'll definitely figure out a way to move forward from here. When I started down this path, I said to myself that I was going to bring things to a head, and either make "it" happen finally or it would come to an end. Lol, well I never saw it going this way - I was sure I was going to end up bigger and better and full-time on the fabrication stuff - I just couldn't see it any other way. But such is life, and it's just another bump in the road that I'll have to get over.
Also, I feel really bad that I couldn't get anything out to Blazer Bash this year - I felt horrible not donating this time around. I had a new design for a front bumper that I wanted to get done, but the proverbial sh!t hit the fan right at the wrong time. Fingers are crossed that I'll be back for next year though!
 

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