Jason4x4
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Talking to MTNMAN, I suggested doing it on Sunday, so all the broke trucks are already broke, and that means less trucks on the run... lol 
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Trifecta discussion for BB12
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It also means most of the rescue trucks will be gone by the time a rescue needs to be sent out.
I think just setting the requirement that you can't run a truck on the trifecta on it's maiden voyage to Blazer Bash (or yours) would eliminate 90% of the problems.
I think just setting the requirement that you can't run a truck on the trifecta on it's maiden voyage to Blazer Bash (or yours) would eliminate 90% of the problems.
I say an EARLY start time would help too, like at dawn, it would kinda shrink the group too...
Who??I thought I was sorta in the position of the only one who "publicly" expressed an interest in doing this.
I wanna help at least....
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Fair enough. If things go as planned for me this coming year, I will be there and would be happy to take on this run as I have for many years.
I'm in complete agreement that the number of trucks should be limited, trucks should have minimum requirements and be equiped. Newbies would be under tight requirements to prove they're abilit to do this run if at all.
Even if I get a GPS, I would not have a track on it until I make the run unless someone has an idea on this? I'm open to suggestions but just like when Steve said BB wasn't going to happen years ago and a couple of us said "Yes it will, even if with do it ourselves", I would like to see this trail continue.....
There's good track maps you can D load on utah4x4club.com
Dave, I doubt that you of all people would need a GPS track for any of the Moab trails, but if you want, I'd be happy to send you my GPS track of Golden Spike.
For what it is worth:
It was my first time doing the Trifecta..or MOAB period for that matter. However, I have been off roading with my truck many times prior to this trip and never had a front, or rear, drive shaft problem. Yes, I am the one with the front drive shaft that kept separating. There is no way anyone, to include myself who knew where the springs came from, would have predicted my springs would warp to the point that the pinon almost pointed straight down when rolling backwards and hitting the brakes. The springs actually spread apart that much with very slight (overall) rearward pressure. An inspection of the springs prior to the event would have shown nothing wrong. It was just luck that someone actually finally saw the separation happen. We then did some tests and found the springs were shot. I bounced to much on an obstical and that is when the springs warped to the point the shaft would separate. I imagine I stressed them a few to many times prior ot MOAB and it went finally went out
This is why I would do the run again....A bunch of great people I had never met before jumped in and helped me fix the problem. Once the cause of the problem was identified, it was fixed and I made it out under my own power. Those same guys who helped me also jumped in to help all the other problem vehicles. To include myself, it was a team effort. We stopped, we had fun, we helped each other and enjoyed the trip. I had a GREAT time. I would love to do it again with fewer trucks and new springs. I hope it does not take as long as it did this year but reagardless, I would do it again. I would do it just to enjoy MOAB BB for what it is..an awesome off road event that brings strangers together to enjoy the MOAB experience and show that people do still help others even when the only thing that brings them together is a common enjoyment of the off-road adventure.
Other than the springs, my truck did an awesome job of going through the run. Yes, I was tired and just wanted to get in bed but the people on the run are what made it so great. Everyone jumped in to help anyone of us that had problems. Nobody stood around pissing and moaning...at least not to the group as a whole anyway. Pat talked me into going. LOL. I am glad he did regardless of the long day.
See you all again next year. I may or may not do Trifecta but I will enjoy the MOAB B-Bash experience.
John
It was my first time doing the Trifecta..or MOAB period for that matter. However, I have been off roading with my truck many times prior to this trip and never had a front, or rear, drive shaft problem. Yes, I am the one with the front drive shaft that kept separating. There is no way anyone, to include myself who knew where the springs came from, would have predicted my springs would warp to the point that the pinon almost pointed straight down when rolling backwards and hitting the brakes. The springs actually spread apart that much with very slight (overall) rearward pressure. An inspection of the springs prior to the event would have shown nothing wrong. It was just luck that someone actually finally saw the separation happen. We then did some tests and found the springs were shot. I bounced to much on an obstical and that is when the springs warped to the point the shaft would separate. I imagine I stressed them a few to many times prior ot MOAB and it went finally went out
This is why I would do the run again....A bunch of great people I had never met before jumped in and helped me fix the problem. Once the cause of the problem was identified, it was fixed and I made it out under my own power. Those same guys who helped me also jumped in to help all the other problem vehicles. To include myself, it was a team effort. We stopped, we had fun, we helped each other and enjoyed the trip. I had a GREAT time. I would love to do it again with fewer trucks and new springs. I hope it does not take as long as it did this year but reagardless, I would do it again. I would do it just to enjoy MOAB BB for what it is..an awesome off road event that brings strangers together to enjoy the MOAB experience and show that people do still help others even when the only thing that brings them together is a common enjoyment of the off-road adventure.
Other than the springs, my truck did an awesome job of going through the run. Yes, I was tired and just wanted to get in bed but the people on the run are what made it so great. Everyone jumped in to help anyone of us that had problems. Nobody stood around pissing and moaning...at least not to the group as a whole anyway. Pat talked me into going. LOL. I am glad he did regardless of the long day.
See you all again next year. I may or may not do Trifecta but I will enjoy the MOAB B-Bash experience.
John
^^ That is why I will do it again.
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I agree with Gunny65. The trail was long but it was fun! I got to try out my new onboard Premier Power Welder "Worked great" and help solve and come up with some cool trail fixes with my brother! My dad is 80 years old and was on this trip with us, he grumbled a little bit on the trail because it was taking so long but he has not stopped talking about that trip! He had a trip of a life time according to him!! I believe this is what it's all about! That being said it would be nice to sit at camp drinking a beer with everyone at a respectible hour. That was way cool seeing the ORD guy's coming to get us out! Way cool to see the guy's we buy our Chevy parts from come out and help with & enjoy what we all love to do!!
VERY IMPRESSIVE!! Please keep this trail on the BB list. It is true that we could have seperated the group but I do not like to leave anyone behind because I know I will be the one needing help on the next trail. I hope the frustration does not overcome the great time and memories this trail has created!!
VERY IMPRESSIVE!! Please keep this trail on the BB list. It is true that we could have seperated the group but I do not like to leave anyone behind because I know I will be the one needing help on the next trail. I hope the frustration does not overcome the great time and memories this trail has created!!
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Just to clarify an apparent misunderstanding: when I described how the Land Cruiser guys deal with trail breakage, I stated that the group splits up - but nobody ever got left behind by themselves. As I observed it, there was typically a short discussion to find out who's the most knowledgable about the particular situation at hand - and then those two guys stayed with the disabled vehicle, to either repair on site, or to wait for the parts runners that were called by 2m radio.
When Claudia broke an axle at the Crack last year, I actually told the tail gunner to get lost, we've got the parts to fix the truck on hand, and just get.
Just to be realistic: how many guys can actually fit under a broken truck in order to fix it? Just admit it, for the most part, those operations look like a government job - there's one or two guys working, and everyone else is standing around doing nothing
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Anyways, just FYI, pointless as it may be.
IMHO, a lot of the "not leave anyone behind" is just feel good stuff, but not really very effective. Your results may vary.
When Claudia broke an axle at the Crack last year, I actually told the tail gunner to get lost, we've got the parts to fix the truck on hand, and just get.
Just to be realistic: how many guys can actually fit under a broken truck in order to fix it? Just admit it, for the most part, those operations look like a government job - there's one or two guys working, and everyone else is standing around doing nothing
. Anyways, just FYI, pointless as it may be.
IMHO, a lot of the "not leave anyone behind" is just feel good stuff, but not really very effective. Your results may vary.
Just to clarify an apparent misunderstanding: when I described how the Land Cruiser guys deal with trail breakage, I stated that the group splits up - but nobody ever got left behind by themselves. As I observed it, there was typically a short discussion to find out who's the most knowledgable about the particular situation at hand - and then those two guys stayed with the disabled vehicle, to either repair on site, or to wait for the parts runners that were called by 2m radio.
When Claudia broke an axle at the Crack last year, I actually told the tail gunner to get lost, we've got the parts to fix the truck on hand, and just get.
Just to be realistic: how many guys can actually fit under a broken truck in order to fix it? Just admit it, for the most part, those operations look like a government job - there's one or two guys working, and everyone else is standing around doing nothing
Anyways, just FYI, pointless as it may be.
IMHO, a lot of the "not leave anyone behind" is just feel good stuff, but not really very effective. Your results may vary.
I knew what you meant, and I think the "No one left behind" idea is the largest problem with this trail. The group always moves along ok when their moving. It's the stops that kill you. There are very few repairs and or recoveries that require "the whole group".
let the best equipped to handle the situation handle it and get the rest of the group moving. It isn't hard to get parts in.
Do you know how long the actual trail is, Poison Spider, Golden Spike, Gold bar? I am guessing it's 15 miles of rock trail, the year Keith speared his oil filter he drove like 2.5 mph without stopping and was sadly keeping up with the group. But at 2.5 MPH and a 15 mile pavement to faster dirt road trail length the average group SHOULD be able to do that trail in 6hrs then 30 min to get from the end of rock to the pavement on 191.
6.5 hrs and say 1 hr. for lunch so an honest 7.5 hrs on the trail. I'll add in a half hour just to say that this trail should take no more than 8 hrs to do, without breakage.
I think the problems with this trail can be taken care of operationally. It just can't be a trail that is an open invite type trail, meaning that there need to be some sort of serious vehicle requirements enforced (tire size, lockers,etc.) and some numbers limitations in place and the average BB group will be successful.
Close.
Approximately 5 miles of Poison Spider, 7 miles of Golden Spike, 4 miles of Gold Bar Rim, and 4 miles of dirt road out to Hwy 191.P.S. By the way, I'm not trying to tell anyone how Blazer Bash should be done, and what trails should or should not be on the list etc. I'm just reporting how some other guys do their runs.
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