Come wheeling with me sometime where a winch is needed, it'll change your mind
Hmmm, well, thats entirely possible I suppose.......
BTW, here is what I manage to get by with.....
http://coloradok5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249796&highlight=pto
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Warn 8274 rebuild.....Project Mall Crawler, parking lot extraction device is done!
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Hmmm, well, thats entirely possible I suppose.......
BTW, here is what I manage to get by with.....
http://coloradok5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249796&highlight=pto
Hmmm, well, thats entirely possible I suppose.......
BTW, here is what I manage to get by with.....
http://coloradok5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249796&highlight=pto
Figured you were one of "those" guys
I understand the strength and pull of a PTO/hydraulic winch but that's not the kind of thing for me. Truck broken and/or not running? No winch. Too steep of an angle or on it's side? Can't run the motor, no winch.
And what's the line speed on that? Variable, I know, but with a slow winch it's easy to drive faster than the winch can pull and then you end up having to stop to wait for the winch, in tricky stuff you can end up having to start over because you lose the line by having to stop.
Hydraulic and PTO winches are powerful and give you options with strength and speed (which can break cables if the operator doesn't know what he/she is doing) but I would never consider one for my application.
To be honest, I feel like PTO and hydraulic winches are better for the towing business and the mud crowd. For rocks, I would never consider anything other than an electric.
You do bring up an interesting point.
I predate Warn winches.
When I was coming along, there were no electric winches.
Konig made a PTO winch, I had one on my Jeep. It would break a 5/16 steel core cable without getting into a strain.
There might have been some electric boat trailer winches, but I never saw one.
Sometime, probably about 1963 or so, an ad appeared in several hunting type magazines.
"Throw Away Your Shovels!"
For some amount of money, you could buy this latest item that no hunter should be without.
An electric winch that could be mounted on the front and would pull you out of the worst bog.
My father ordered one, and they mounted it on the front of his hunting buddy's truck.
It seemed to work, so they headed for some bad roads.
I was riding in the back.
Fairly quickly they got stuck.
Hooked the new winch to a tree and turned it on.
It moved the truck slightly, and then stopped pulling. The motor kept going, but no pull.
Then, while they were trying to figure out what was wrong, the motor burned up.
After they got out with their shovels, my father brought the winch back and gave it to our in-house mechanic.
Told him to find out what was wrong.
There were several things, slip clutch, motor, but he got all the bugs out, and it worked.
Then, he found where he could get those planetary gearboxes from military surplus.
So, he started making those winches. They sold real well.
A few years later, Warn came out with their line, which looked like your 8274.
If I ever saw a model number I have long since forgotten it.
Lots of people bought them.
The name Warn was well known and respected.
They looked lots more professional than my friend's home-built ones.
But, then, I started getting calls from folks who had walked out of bogs and wanted me to come get them with my Jeep.
More times than I can count, when I got to the stuck truck, there was a Warn winch hooked to a tree, stalled.
Word got around that if you hooked two batteries in parallel to increase the current, they would pull you out.
Sometimes they did, sometimes the gearbox grenaded.
I can remember seeing at least 15 or 20 of them laying behind my friend's shop where people had tossed them for one of his.
Now the question is, was that the 8274?
I have no idea. It looked like it, but that does not mean anything.
Plus, these had to be some of the very first even if they were, so I would assume that lots of upgrades occurred over the years.
My guess is: Even if those were 8274s, what you have around today have many improvements over those first ones.
I suspect that not many of the real first ones are left.
And actually, if I had to go with electric, it would probably be one of the others.
I put a Desert Dynamics 12,000 pound winch on my father's truck, and it did everything he wanted.
They are out of business, but I'm pretty sure they were selling someone else's re-branded stuff.
There are several companies who sell almost identical worm drive winches.
Their names escape me right now.
I predate Warn winches.
When I was coming along, there were no electric winches.
Konig made a PTO winch, I had one on my Jeep. It would break a 5/16 steel core cable without getting into a strain.
There might have been some electric boat trailer winches, but I never saw one.
Sometime, probably about 1963 or so, an ad appeared in several hunting type magazines.
"Throw Away Your Shovels!"
For some amount of money, you could buy this latest item that no hunter should be without.
An electric winch that could be mounted on the front and would pull you out of the worst bog.
My father ordered one, and they mounted it on the front of his hunting buddy's truck.
It seemed to work, so they headed for some bad roads.
I was riding in the back.
Fairly quickly they got stuck.
Hooked the new winch to a tree and turned it on.
It moved the truck slightly, and then stopped pulling. The motor kept going, but no pull.
Then, while they were trying to figure out what was wrong, the motor burned up.
After they got out with their shovels, my father brought the winch back and gave it to our in-house mechanic.
Told him to find out what was wrong.
There were several things, slip clutch, motor, but he got all the bugs out, and it worked.
Then, he found where he could get those planetary gearboxes from military surplus.
So, he started making those winches. They sold real well.
A few years later, Warn came out with their line, which looked like your 8274.
If I ever saw a model number I have long since forgotten it.
Lots of people bought them.
The name Warn was well known and respected.
They looked lots more professional than my friend's home-built ones.
But, then, I started getting calls from folks who had walked out of bogs and wanted me to come get them with my Jeep.
More times than I can count, when I got to the stuck truck, there was a Warn winch hooked to a tree, stalled.
Word got around that if you hooked two batteries in parallel to increase the current, they would pull you out.
Sometimes they did, sometimes the gearbox grenaded.
I can remember seeing at least 15 or 20 of them laying behind my friend's shop where people had tossed them for one of his.
Now the question is, was that the 8274?
I have no idea. It looked like it, but that does not mean anything.
Plus, these had to be some of the very first even if they were, so I would assume that lots of upgrades occurred over the years.
My guess is: Even if those were 8274s, what you have around today have many improvements over those first ones.
I suspect that not many of the real first ones are left.
And actually, if I had to go with electric, it would probably be one of the others.
I put a Desert Dynamics 12,000 pound winch on my father's truck, and it did everything he wanted.
They are out of business, but I'm pretty sure they were selling someone else's re-branded stuff.
There are several companies who sell almost identical worm drive winches.
Their names escape me right now.
zombie1969
1/2 ton status
The terminal with the brown wire you guys are talking about would nominally go to the pos side of the coil on a points ignition to supply a full 12 volts for start up.I'm thinking it could be used to power a idle up solenoid when the winch is being used to raise the amp output of the alternator.A lot of motors already have internal thermal protection but not sure about something this old.
Hmm, we are crossing posts.
My last post was before I read your post number 42.
Here is my reply to that
I bow to your expertise.
I am strictly a mud and pull other people out guy.
The biggest rock I have crossed would be a concrete divider in a parking lot.
There is another point which you sorta stepped around. An electric winch is independent of engine speed.
In your case, that is a plus.
If you are in a real low gear, and your engine is screaming, a PTO winch would be trying to snatch you faster than you might want to go.
Of course, some of the drawbacks could be eliminated.
If you were hydraulic, and the pump ran off the engine, you could use a throttle valve on the winch to control its speed.
Also, with my winch, it had the option of a two speed motor. Hydraulically shifted.
For normal pulling, you would use the large setting, which would actually give more pulling power per psi than my single speed motor.
Then, when things slacked off, a flip of a lever puts it in high speed mode. Less pull, but it should keep up.
I still say I am going to get that one of these days. I did not know of that option when I got mine, and there is a clearance problem if I try to just change motors.
BTW, all my PTO winches up to this point have been shaft drive off the transfer case.
When I bought this truck new, there was no way to get a shaft past the exhaust system, so I turned the PTO unit around and hooked a pump to it.
But, on my old Jeep, I pulled myself out of a couple of bad places when the engine would not run using my PTO winch.
Engage the winch, put the transmission in 2and, transfer case in neutral, and hit the starter.
Winched me right out!
And I once started designing a system where a PTO shaft driven winch could be driven by a Ford starter in an emergency, but I never finished it.
My last post was before I read your post number 42.
Here is my reply to that
I bow to your expertise.
I am strictly a mud and pull other people out guy.
The biggest rock I have crossed would be a concrete divider in a parking lot.
There is another point which you sorta stepped around. An electric winch is independent of engine speed.
In your case, that is a plus.
If you are in a real low gear, and your engine is screaming, a PTO winch would be trying to snatch you faster than you might want to go.
Of course, some of the drawbacks could be eliminated.
If you were hydraulic, and the pump ran off the engine, you could use a throttle valve on the winch to control its speed.
Also, with my winch, it had the option of a two speed motor. Hydraulically shifted.
For normal pulling, you would use the large setting, which would actually give more pulling power per psi than my single speed motor.
Then, when things slacked off, a flip of a lever puts it in high speed mode. Less pull, but it should keep up.
I still say I am going to get that one of these days. I did not know of that option when I got mine, and there is a clearance problem if I try to just change motors.
BTW, all my PTO winches up to this point have been shaft drive off the transfer case.
When I bought this truck new, there was no way to get a shaft past the exhaust system, so I turned the PTO unit around and hooked a pump to it.
But, on my old Jeep, I pulled myself out of a couple of bad places when the engine would not run using my PTO winch.
Engage the winch, put the transmission in 2and, transfer case in neutral, and hit the starter.
Winched me right out!
And I once started designing a system where a PTO shaft driven winch could be driven by a Ford starter in an emergency, but I never finished it.
garydan
1/2 ton status
I upgraded all the electronics, new style solenoids and brand new motor.
muddytaz
hey muddy taz i read that you worked at warn , i have a problem with a 9.5ti and i really need some help, sounds like you would be the guy to answer some stupid questions.
pm me if you are still around........thanks
hey muddy taz i read that you worked at warn , i have a problem with a 9.5ti and i really need some help, sounds like you would be the guy to answer some stupid questions.
pm me if you are still around........thanks
Muddytazz
1 ton status
I replied to your email but it kept bouncing back. Email me direct at muddytazz64 at hotmail dot com
