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I like the old logging roads and more scenic trails. I've been to some offroad parks had a good time but it seems that around here the trails are built for jeeps and Broncos. I don't mind pinstriping or a little rubbing but I hate rubbing body parts off on the trees.

Those are the best trails to run with a full size...I love when someone says "Your truck won't fit down there" Then the look on their face on the other side:D. As for tree damage.......They still sell body panels....Or you can just cut them off so they can't hit any more.
As for illegal wheelin.....If your doing it...Your the reason why so many places we "Used to wheel" are being closed down. Grow up and quit giving the other side the ammunition to use against us. I understand what your saying about "Being so far out in the wilderness that no one cares" attitude. But guess what....They do and it's just a matter of time before there will nothing but pay parks left. Just ask the rest of us.:rolleyes:
 
Okay we get it you want to be all legal and such which is all good and all but how do i find out if these places are legal or not. the trails i go to every week are owned by the water/power/phone companies. so far i have asked the fire/police/sherrifs/forestry/and even the fish and game warden and all of them say i dunno if its legal or not. heres the best part when were up in the hills people from the utility companies have stopped said hi and on occasion had a few beer with us. the only time we ever have issues is when dumb i just went to bass pro yuppies come out and start shootin pistols, shotguns, etc. even then the cops just asked us where those guys were and even added have a good time wheelin. I would have no problem with not using that land as long as someone expresses a complaint with me being on there land. by the way is there a better source for finding legitimate zoning maps for ohv. :confused:
if you want to know, you look on a map to see what land you'll be in - NF land, BLM land, State land, private land, etc. Then you call the owner/operator of this land and find out what their OHV rules are.

for instance, until 2009 you can take any trail in Mount Hood National Forest that is not obviously closed. Come January one, the reverse will be true: unless the trail is signed as being OPEN to OHV - it is not legal or allowed. Just have to do your research.

If you really want to find some kick ass places to wheel - become a paying member so that you can get to know the "SOCKO" guys in the "pacific forum", which can be found under the "regional forum" link on the main forum page. those guys wheel some killer trails - and they're all OHV designed... :wink1:
 
i get paid today so i guess i will have to become a paying member and further enjoy this site. thanks for the advice and i am going to look for one of these maps you speak of.
 
...What it comes down to is most wheelers that like the more challenging stuff just trespass and make our own trails...

In AZ, that attitude contributes a lot to proposed trail closures - and those closures typically affect not just the illegal wildcat trails, but close entire areas. More so on land managed by the Forest Service, but BLM lands are affected as well.

It really bugs me if people can't stay on the trail - particularly since there are plenty of trails in AZ, as challenging as you want...
 
Well that's Arizona. I live in BC Canada. We have no designated motor vehicle trails. Generally we wheel on forestry and crown land.

We lost the fight in our area years ago. I live within a 10 minutes walk from an enterance to what some say was world class wheelin. Some Washington State paople from here may have actually wheeled it, in the old Island Rock Crawl events that used to exist in this area. It was bought by a Govt. funded environmental group who then gave it to our local Govt. All Back door deals in my opinion. Then a road was blasted and graded through the woods and gated. Many people here are vary bitter about this, me included.

That's a little of the history of wheelin where I live. There is no future of the govt. ever letting us wheel. The forest companies left their land open which was great, until recently when the two major companies locked the gates around my area because of the bull**** that was going on. Like I said earlier stolen cars, fires and vandilism. We continue to wheel these areas and keep it low key. We never run in to any problems and since the gates were locked the bull**** in the woods has for the most part stopped. The gates are a good thing. There is still lots of wheelin, riding and quading in these area's.

Yes I break the law by goin around these gates. I guess for some here that's horrible and I should be in jail. I'm not too worried about it. In reallity I could drive a ways to an open gate where public access is allowed and backtrack to my area and pass no No Tresspassing signs. Then It would be legal, just silly.

As for Chaddy calling me "a joke" for taking my son dirtbiking in these areas. I think you should look around like I do, and see what is becoming normal parenting. Buy your kid a video game system, never get them in to nature, mabe get divorced and see your kids once a week. To me, taking my kid riding somewhere that were not really allowed seems like a great thing to do. But hell Mabe I'll sell his bike and get him a X box or something.

I don't see how I'm giving you guys a bad name. I am from another Country. If this talk is a real problem here and it will give wheelers a bad name because of all the traffic on this sight I'll delete all my posts in this thread. I didn't think it would be. I'm not here to screw you guys over.

And I'm done defending myself. I didn't want to turn Colby's thread in to this. Sorry.
 
After that load. I do have a question about the pay parks. I think we'd be happy to have pay parks here. Do you guys sign a waver? I figured even with the waver and the way the legal system is now isn't it kind of dangerous to run something like that. I figured you'd just be asking for lawsuits if someone gets hurt or killed.
 
As for Chaddy calling me "a joke" for taking my son dirtbiking in these areas. I think you should look around like I do, and see what is becoming normal parenting. Buy your kid a video game system, never get them in to nature, mabe get divorced and see your kids once a week. To me, taking my kid riding somewhere that were not really allowed seems like a great thing to do. But hell Mabe I'll sell his bike and get him a X box or something.

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Are you kidding me?!
You are telling me to look around? Look around for what? More law breakers teaching thier kids to break the law and potentially get all of our land closed off? Look around for people that think that "normal" parenting is teaching your little ones to break the law?

That is a joke. So its, break the law to wheel?

Or, get an Xbox and get a divorce? Thats it huh? No other options like, find a legal place to wheel?

You my friend, are the reason we have to fight even harder to keep our lands open.
You can rationalize it any way you want, you are still wrong.
 
I think he's stated several times there are no legal places to wheel in his area.

In many parts of the Lower Peninsula of Michigan there aren't any easily accessible (or good) legal wheeling areas. As mentioned earlier the whole UP is pretty much one big wheeling area sorta like a lot of Arizona, New Mexico, etc.
Here you can either try out the "unmaintained roads" that range from muddy dirt roads to rutted "better have 44's" trails, you can head over to the mud bog called the Mounds near Flint, Silver Lake Sand Dunes on Lake Michigan, and up to Drummond Island at the eastern end of the UP in Lake Huron. The problem? They're all far apart from each other and other than Drummond pretty specialized. There are A FEW legal trails on state land but they're all pretty lackluster and pathetic. Nothing like driving 2 hours to go to a trail and then finding out it's basically a dirt bike path wide enough for a vehicle.

I try not to illegally wheel. Hell, it's been several years since I got to go out...didn't even have Big Ugly then. The problem is it's not hard to outbuild the "trails" around here and also a lot of what is legal around here is confusing. There's one area that's good for a half an hour or so of bumping around but it's also crisscrossed with near identical paths that are powerline trails and illegal AND patrolled. Many folks have gotten busted on them simply because they were driving down a trail and instead of turning off kept going straight on the one they were on.
Meanwhile there's the whole posted/not posted thing...the law says that if it isn't posted it's legal...but explain that to property owners, the DNR (who half the time can't seem to find where they are), local cops, et al.

Meanwhile you have the rednecks, white trash, yuppies with 4x4's, methheads, etc etc and you get the situation known as rural lower peninsula of Michigan. 90% of the population would have no problem with you cruising around in the woods or climbing a hill, etc etc etc but then there's the 10% trying to close everything off using the few idiots who go out and do damage as examples.

There's an area northwest of our place a few miles. Sorta known as a wheeling spot and mainly comprised of sandy trails going to a big pit and lots of varied terrain. No rocks but some off camber stuff and some climbs if you drive around long enough. Interesting and good for most of the locals to keep them happy.
It's not posted...so technically it's legal.
It's not state land...but it's A LOT of land...no clue who owns it.
Not near any houses or urban areas, just lots of trees and trails.
An old coworker of mine said it was "sort of illegal" in that everyone knew about it and wheeled there but only nuisance idiots were arrested there...


...this is our quandry here. Drive hours for so-so or non-varied wheeling, drive even further to pay for wheeling or go to the UP where you're forever and away from home, wheel the lame legal stuff here, or wheel the good stuff, be careful, be respectful, and PROBABLY never hear anything about it. Hell, they have more trouble on the walking/bike paths, snowmobile paths, and other areas than from illegal 4x4ing up here.


I like trails having grown up in an area where lots of 2 tracks were available. Not much of a mud guy or hard core anything guy. Give me some nice, diverse terrain and I'll be fine. Of course I only have one rig I could really wheel with, am afraid of body damage (it's my baby!...and expensive to fix!), I have a budget every month and vehicle upgrades/use doesn't always even exist in it, and I live in a state that I mentioned sorta sucks for legal wheeling.
 
Luckily for me I have LOTS of forest trails to run and some really hardcore stuff.I live a few miles from Battlement Mesa Lake trail.It is about 5 miles long and climbs from just over 5000ft at the begining of the dirt road to 10'300 at the 7 res.It is pretty rough and has a fun rockgarden.

Down I-70 towards the west is Grand Junction.There we have 21 road and Billings Jeep trail.Both are Hardcore and will cause body damage on fullsize rigs.I run Jeeps with Chevy running gear.

Also by GJ is the Grand Mesa.Here we have lots of dirtroads and a few harder trails that lead to the many,many lakes.Great for camping and fishing.We like to load the Suburban up for these trips.Sometimes drag the Jeep up,just for a runabout.

Head down I-70 further west and you come to Moab.About 180 miles from my house.There we have everything from nice easy dirt roads to Slickrock trails to Hardcore rockcrawling.Helldorado,Poison Spider, just a couple and many more!Something like 40 trails or so.
 
WARNING: The following is directed to the highly sensitive...what you see below is only ment as a joke.

I live in BC Canada. .

Can't we just chalk it up to him being Canadian? Ehh?

Hey, have any of you guys ever seen Strange Brew???? Good movie.
 
After that load. I do have a question about the pay parks. I think we'd be happy to have pay parks here. Do you guys sign a waver? I figured even with the waver and the way the legal system is now isn't it kind of dangerous to run something like that. I figured you'd just be asking for lawsuits if someone gets hurt or killed.

Out here, the parks are funded by the state and do not make you sign a waiver, If you pay (8-10 bucks for a day), you agree to follow the state park rules, if you disobey, you get a ticket from the sheriff. If you hit somebody and causes bodily harm or property damage, your insurance covers it, if you don't have insurance they take your truck and you get a ticket with a fine. If your drinking and driving you lose you license it's like it would be treated on a public street, dui. I personally hit somebody in the park head on, the passenger of the other jeep got rushed to the hospital in an ambulance, the Sheriff immediatly breathalized me (clean) and made me trade information with the other driver. I was on my way and let my insurance deal with it.
 
I like all forms of wheeling from rockcrawling, mudding, and everything in between all the way up to general back country exploring. Whats really fun is keeping up with all the Jeeps, Toyotas, Samurais, and rock buggies on trails like the Rubicon in a fullsize. Showing all the fullsize haters that its not WHAT you 'wheel, its HOW you 'wheel.

Scott
 
Never done any comps, but I do go to Hollister Hills alot (OHV state park). My personal favorite is trails trails and more trails. Multiple day, pack it in and pack it out, trails with very challenging terrain. There is one place that has the best wheeling that I've been to but no need to pack everything. You have a base camp and run trails and return to camp.
 
I like all forms of wheeling from rockcrawling, mudding, and everything in between all the way up to general back country exploring. Whats really fun is keeping up with all the Jeeps, Toyotas, Samurais, and rock buggies on trails like the Rubicon in a fullsize. Showing all the fullsize haters that its not WHAT you 'wheel, its HOW you 'wheel.

Scott

You know, I've taken my pig thru the Sluice Box at Rubicon and done 1/2 the Hammer triails including Backdoor and I got to tell ya, there are no haters if you get the job done. If they are truely "into" wheeling then they don't care what your in really. As long as your not underbuilt for the trail and you don't act like a complete tool.

From my experience it is always the Jeep pricks that talk smack..........................at the MALL.

not all jeeps guys are pricks though.
 
You know, I've taken my pig thru the Sluice Box at Rubicon and done 1/2 the Hammer triails including Backdoor and I got to tell ya, there are no haters if you get the job done. If they are truely "into" wheeling then they don't care what your in really. As long as your not underbuilt for the trail and you don't act like a complete tool.

From my experience it is always the Jeep pricks that talk smack..........................at the MALL.

not all jeeps guys are pricks though.

I completely agree. I've noticed that if you can keep up with all the smaller rigs in a fullsize, people take notice.

Scott
 
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