mtex
Registered Member
i am trying to decide what which to buy? i have 86 ck5 bumpers one ton axles, a couple of kids, and pile of camping gear my rig... Is 9500lb enough or should i jump up to the 12k? Has anyone used the warn power plant HD?
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which winch?
- Thread starter mtex
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A 9500lb is plenty for a K5. The general rule is 1 1/2 times the weight of the rig loaded.
DR
1/2 ton status
I have a 9000lb on mine. Its is good enough, especially with a snatch block, but I would go bigger if you can. Other than a touch of added weight, you cant really have it too big in my opinion. You never know where you will be stuck. Plus take in to consideration who you wheel with. Its handy to have it big enough to rescue your "posse" as well.
pismorat
1/2 ton status
That's my thought as well...I want to make mine portable (front to rear) on both my K10 and my Duramax Silverado. I think I'm going to go 12K or even 15K if I can.
plumber mike
1/2 ton status
Does anyone know why the M8000 is so cheap? What's the catch? $539.00 at most sites would leave money left for snatch blocks, tree savers and some syn rope to double it's pulling power. I also would like the multi mount 9.5, but could buy (2) M8000's for that price. Opinions?
I have done a bunch of reasearch lately and it seems like Warn is the only way to go.
I have done a bunch of reasearch lately and it seems like Warn is the only way to go.
Other than the weight rating?
The 9.5 is about 50% faster than the M8000 under no load (which if you use your winch often is a BIG bonus) and has a better duty cycle (you can run it for longer before it overheats.
I'm sure there's more but I never shop or research winches, the same Warn 8274 has been on the front of my truck since 1984 and I wouldn't trade it for any other winch
K10 KRAWLER
1/2 ton status
I agree with using warn, I have a M12000 on the front of my rig and had a M8000 on the rear. I found that even with the snatch block I was overworking the motor on the 8000. There was one occasion Where the 8000 with a snatch block could not even budge me, then I got help from another blazer with a 8274 and pulled me out no problem with a straight line pull. After that I sold the 8000. yes the winch was old and that probably contributes to it being weak.
andyblack
Registered Loser
You get what you pay for. That's why the 8274 is $1,500 or more. Trust me, when you're hopelessy stuck and about to have to spend the night out in the cold or heat with the mosquitos, you won't be thinking about how much you saved by buying that little 8000 lb. winch instead of something bigger and better. You're going to want something that you know will absoulutely work and pull you out without fail everytime. That's why you don't see any of those hard core guys running an M8000. Get the best winch you can afford because it could be your butt that will have to walk out to the road and hitch a ride if it fails.
I thought I was going to be smart and save some $$ by getting a cheap Superwinch LP8500 for my half ton after I got stuck real bad and had to hire a guy with a Warn 15000 to pull me out. The Superwinch only cost $400, but it only worked twice! When I really needed it to pull some guys out the other day, it didn't work anymore! And it wasn't even a year old!
Look at a winch as an insurance policy. Oh, and invest in a good cover for it if it doesn't come with one.
I thought I was going to be smart and save some $$ by getting a cheap Superwinch LP8500 for my half ton after I got stuck real bad and had to hire a guy with a Warn 15000 to pull me out. The Superwinch only cost $400, but it only worked twice! When I really needed it to pull some guys out the other day, it didn't work anymore! And it wasn't even a year old!
Look at a winch as an insurance policy. Oh, and invest in a good cover for it if it doesn't come with one.
blazin' j
1/2 ton status
i got this 16,500# superwinch for rite around $900 shipped from amazon.com last june...not sure what they go for now but its rated @ 9000# w/no cable out so u basicly start off w/ a 9000# then get more capacity as u unspool it...
pennsylvaniaboy
1/2 ton status
i got a smitty built 12k....love it
Adventurous 4x4
1/2 ton status
I have been running a Warn 9K with no issues at all. It is plenty for a K5. I probably use my winch more then the avarage person because I do recovery for comps and I am on the staff at Rausch Creek. 99% of the time you are only doing short pulls. In the last 9 years I only had to do one recovery that required a long pull and that was winching a 3/4ton Dodge up the side of a mountain. That was about 500 feet of winching and on that one I pulled it up about 80 to 90 feet per pull and let the winch cool off for a few minutes between each pull. During a comp it's nothing to do 10 to 15 pulls in a day.
we stalled a 15k warn and a 10k warn trying to pull out a buddys burban last summer.had to hook another 9.5k warn up to get him out.
if you can afford to get the bigger winch get it.
if you can afford to get the bigger winch get it.
Ned Kelly
1/2 ton status
I've got a 8000lb pto winch on my K30. I've been stuck deep enough that my axles are dragging through swamp/mud (39.5" TSL's) and I've done 200ft pulls to get out (with extra cables attached to make enough length). A pto will pull until you break the shear pin (which I"ve never done in VERY deep mud) supposedly. I've pulled others out in situations where 9500lb electric winches have stalled out. Problem can be running the pto driveshafts to the front winch if you have crossover steering though - a dilemma I will soon be tackling since I want to retain my pto setup.
andyblack
Registered Loser
Ned, after you finish that project, be sure and create a thread about how you tackled that problem. There's probably a lot of guys who would like to know how to go about setting up something like that.
Ned Kelly
1/2 ton status
Andy,
Will do. I'm trying to decide which vendor's engine crossmember will work best to help with the pto setup. Hope to make a decision in January on this.
Will do. I'm trying to decide which vendor's engine crossmember will work best to help with the pto setup. Hope to make a decision in January on this.
K10 KRAWLER
1/2 ton status
Hey I Found some pictures from last summer. My warn 12k with a snatch block pulled me out of this mess. it was a very long hard pull with lots of cool down breaks, but it did it!
Ned Kelly
1/2 ton status
K10 Krawler,
Yep, those are the kind of pulls I speak of. Thankfully I haven't had many of them though. That is impressive mud and good to hear of the Warn 12k abilities. If I can't route the pto I may need to consider a Warn 12k. I wonder how a 8274 would have done in the situation you've pictured?
Yep, those are the kind of pulls I speak of. Thankfully I haven't had many of them though. That is impressive mud and good to hear of the Warn 12k abilities. If I can't route the pto I may need to consider a Warn 12k. I wonder how a 8274 would have done in the situation you've pictured?
K10 KRAWLER
1/2 ton status
Its hard to say how well an 8274 will do. I have only been pulled out once by that winch and it did pull pretty good, But I don't know how it would compare to a 12k. Don't forget that warn has bigger winches, a 15k and the 16.5k I am really curious to see one of those in action
andyblack
Registered Loser
I believe the 8274 is only rated for 8,000 lbs., but I've seen them pull some really heavy fullsize trucks quite well on the rocks, but I haven't seen them in the mud very often. They're really fast.
Heavy mud-bogging is probably the worst case scenario for a winch as you the pulls are hard because of the suction and often times the distance can be long. For what I consider normal trailriding (i.e. NOT heavy muddin') my 9k Ramsey has never had any issues pulling me up hills or over rocks.
One thing to keep in mind when reading people's comments is that a lot of them are likely not optimizing the pulling power of the winch. Only pulling a short amount of cable out so that you are on the outer most layer only gives you about half of the pulling power as if you are on the 1st layer of cable. On a 9,500 lb. Ramsey the 1st layer (right against the drum) gives you the full 9,500 lbs., while on the last layer (outermost) they only rate it at 5,500 lbs.
One thing to keep in mind when reading people's comments is that a lot of them are likely not optimizing the pulling power of the winch. Only pulling a short amount of cable out so that you are on the outer most layer only gives you about half of the pulling power as if you are on the 1st layer of cable. On a 9,500 lb. Ramsey the 1st layer (right against the drum) gives you the full 9,500 lbs., while on the last layer (outermost) they only rate it at 5,500 lbs.
