I finally am bitting the bullet and going the th400/205 route. I lose a little gear and overdrive but I have put 3 700's in my rig since I have had it and I feel no matter what I will always be worried about the trans. If I had a smaller truck, 35's or smaller, and good gears I wouldnt be afraid to have a 700, but with 38's and possibly 42's I say forget that damn thing. As of about 4 months ago I believed in my 700's but after this one is on its way out and I toasted another in my camaro I figured the hell with it. I run good gears, a huge cooler, and have had the trans done by a very good shop with all the goodies in it and still I can see it not lasting very long. I dont want to drive my truck out to a trail thats 200 plus miles away and be stuck there because I wanted a little better first gear. I am finding that I drive my truck much less than I used to on a daily basis, so its ok. But if you want extreme durability, uncomprising strength, and the ability to not worry about your tranny go with a 465, or if your an auto man the venerable th400. Hey just a quick thought that I have been pondering for a while, has anyone thought about trying to put in a new allison? I know the 4l80 route, but it seems a allison would be wicked cool. /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif