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yukon axles on a 10bolt

454Sub

454Sub

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Just a thought for some of yall.... I have a 00/90/80 Suburban soup sandwich 3/4t. In this case, it came with a 14bt FF and a 10bt. Now I always wanted a Dana 60 in the front because i was always afraid of breaking the front axle with a 350 + 6800lbs roughly + 5.13s + front limited slip + stock shafts + 39.5in boggers in its first model. My saving grace I figure has always been southern IL is about as flat as a pane of glass, so all we do is mud and maybe a trail or two. Anyways I got tired of not being able to do a effective lady killin burnout so I dropped a 00 454 in with high comp, ported heads and intake, lightweight crank, headers, roller rockers, roller cam, and ported the TBI and a couple other blah blahs... Backed by a th400 and twin sticked 205. I finally broke a stock shaft and joint, so i says lets try these Yukon 4340 shafts and u joints. I have had amazing luck with these so far, better than some of my buddies with their 60s on stock 30 splines, plus no horrible bump steer compared to the 60s. I have done front wheel drives through mud bogs all day on them, climbed up some hills in fwd, Toyota Civic reverse donuts.... :eek1: :rolleyes: (dumb i know but it was said it couldn't be done) and just basically acted a fool to see what will happen, and all so far is an exploded Warn hub. Now the 60 is an amazing axle I will admit, but lets face it, them kingpins SUCK horribly and they are getting harder to find and expensive as all hell. I guess in all my rambling I want to say don't be afraid of a 10blt with some upgrades, just use a lil logic with the gas pedal and you will be fine.
 
Thats not logic thats luck.

Dana 60s have no steering issues when you know how to properly service the axle and replace kingpins. King pins are the be all end all for strength when it comes to attaching a steering knuckles to an axle.

Bump steer comes from people lifting their trucks sky high and having their draglink pitched to much. Death wobble is not an inherit problem to a dana 60 it comes from worn out parts and is not "the norm".

Im sorry to say but you're just plain wrong and its bad advice to make a thread saying that a 10 bolt with chromo shafts is going to reliably hold a full size rig with 40in tires and a big block pushing it around. Its just not true and saying things like that is bad advice for those that dont know what route to take that are doing research and looking for advice.

I dont mean to sound like a dick but this subject and sore in the ass and frankly beaten to death.

95% of the people on here agree with the fact that not everyone needs 1 tons. This isnt pirate, we dont all think its dana 60 front or bust. But we also all know that a 10 bolt or dana 44 front wont hold your setup. Its just a matter of time and conditions before you blow that **** up.

And furthermore you are into that 10 bolt for about twice the price you could have had a dana 60 with 35spl outers for.

Believe me Ive walked the "nah Im gonna make the dana 44/10bolt front work" path before. Its a waste of time and money.
 
I never said anyone should or shouldn't follow my advice. I simply stated I have managed to reliably operate a heavier than a fullsize truck on a 10blt with chromos for 5 yrs now without one single breakage other than a cheap hub. Now there is NO rocks here, so that helps a lot. I'm a huge fan of the 60, my brother has one in his 6.0 Sub, its just never worked out in my favor to possess one yet. I just felt like expressin my thoughts on a subject is all. And thanks for expressing yours as well but I stand firmly by the kingpins suck part 100% strong yes, easy to work with no
 
454Sub said:
I never said anyone should or shouldn't follow my advice. I simply stated I have managed to reliably operate a heavier than a fullsize truck on a 10blt with chromos for 5 yrs now without one single breakage other than a cheap hub. Now there is NO rocks here, so that helps a lot. I'm a huge fan of the 60, my brother has one in his 6.0 Sub, its just never worked out in my favor to possess one yet. I just felt like expressin my thoughts on a subject is all. And thanks for expressing yours as well but I stand firmly by the kingpins suck part 100% strong yes, easy to work with no
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I wont argue with you on replacing them. Anytime you have to strap a come along to the wrench and the other end of the axle to break them loose thats just ridiculous.
 
there is nothing hard about working on kingpins. Maybe if you live in the rustbelt.

Just get a pair of these for 9 bucks from WFO and weld them on. Couple hits with a hammer and you are on your way.
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I will take kingpins over balljoints any day.
 
That tool is better than a tv remote. And kingpins are more sensitive to bumpsteer period. Grew up and worked in a 4wd shop. Fact period.. stronger than a ball joint all day, just also has its downfalls too. Like everything else
 
454Sub said:
That tool is better than a tv remote. And kingpins are more sensitive to bumpsteer period. Grew up and worked in a 4wd shop. Fact period.. stronger than a ball joint all day, just also has its downfalls too. Like everything else
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How?

Everyone here wants to know.

And maybe your definition of bump steer because its not making much sense.


My stock dana 60 with worn out parts had Zero bumpsteer with crossover steering. I could drive float over bumps without it making a fuss at all. Sure it would wander and wobble but that was because of the 42in bias tires.

Nobody is trying to call you out or cause an argument, because that is not what this site is about. But when you make a blanket statment like that in wich many many many others have no issues with it raises some questions.
 
Now I will admit, crossover is somethin I'm about to dive into. So I have zero experience in that. But kingpins have preload, and a smaller area to wear, compared to a balljoint. Smaller area means less wear or incorrect preload smaller amount to effect the geometry of said front end. As everything wears and tears at the same rate basically, its effected faster and more extremely. Now maybe my years of personally experience are wrong, but that's how I have seen it personally. If you have seen otherwise good too, just like I have great luck with the 10bt, it happens apparently
 
Biggest problem I see with the 10 bolt in your situation is the ball joints, I hace never seen a kingpin shear off seen plenty of balljoints (d44 balljoint 60s and 10 bolts) shear.

I agree with you though a 10 bolt can be built to take abuse
 
owenst7 said:
So 'splain to all of us less knowledgeable guys what exactly bump steer is... :popcorn:
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Theres no way what hes thinking of as bumpsteer is the real definition. Hes got to be thinking of death wobble. Death wobble is the ONLY thing I cant think of that a dana 60 with kingpins in more inherit to developing as a problem than an axle with balljoints.
 
I'd rather change King pin bushings and possibly the kingpin every 3-5 years than ball joints every 18 months.

I would wear out a set of ball joints almost yearly with 37's.

My Kingpin bushings just got changed after 3 years and they were fine. I just upgraded to the bronze bushings and springless arms. Install and forget about them (besides grease)

My steering was the same between either axle and I never had death wobble until I added 40" bias plies and 52's with long shackles..
 
FACT: I've gone through 4 sets of Balljoints, in the last 2 years.
FACT: Balljoints are more prone to DW, shearing, and overall catastrophic failure.
FACT: I'll be switching to BoneFishFab Kingpins soon!

This thread seems like a waste of time, at this point. :popcorn:
 
TheBeast_88K5 said:
FACT: I've gone through 4 sets of Balljoints, in the last 2 years.
FACT: Balljoints are more prone to DW, shearing, and overall catastrophic failure.
FACT: I'll be switching to BoneFishFab Kingpins soon!

This thread seems like a waste of time, at this point. :popcorn:
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The topic is beat to death all over the internet. :dunno:

I dont know why its constantly rehashed by people who get lucky with making too big of tires and too big of power work on a 1/2 ton front. **** I wouldnt run 1/2 ton front in a BBC truck that was going to see 4wd on more than just a snowy or dirt road...
 
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