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i was told it had been done...and personally hadnt never thought about it, seen it, or talked about it....i personally wouldn't do it, for same reason i talked myself out of gett'n the top kick down the road and just puttn regular front end on it, to tall of a frame under there looked silly, even on the big c-60 it looked funny, that being said,

i would have to see it to believe it, no way you can convince me, that i couldn't take any cross member out that wouldn't allow the frames to perfectly "spoon",then weld down both sides completly, then bolt one of said crossmembers back in place where you remove 2(1 from each frame), and then plate/box the frames from bottom, of bottom frame to top, of top frame with 1/2'' holes drilled in the plate every ft, where the frames meet and tie the boxing plate to both frames w/a rosette weld in the middle and weld fill the plug hole and grind flat and it wouldn't be stronger than a single frame, in theoritical speak it should be twice as strong, be on practicle terms it prooly would be more than 2x the strength of a single frame rail b/c of solid boxing plate added in the mix...

it'd just have to be stronger, and i assume taking bottom frame body mounts off and upper frame motor/drivetrain mounts and brackets off, wouldn't hurt if running regular length body bolts(on top frame w/ poly stock heigth body bushings),

i don't see a saftey issue if done in said manner and is indeed built stronger, but there you have that big tall ass frame standing up there lookin dumb as hell(even worse now cause theres 2 of em, w, a weld down them, altho, i could put sum pretty nice looking beads in that little valley where they come together :-)), those w/ space between the rails, they look like they are possibly a saftey concern, but i would convert the c-60 to 4x4 and take that big silly nose off of it and put a regular front end on it before i did all of this labor to get truck up there


why would some1 do this...reason it was brought up....dude is broke and can't buy lift and parts and stuff...but has 2-3 trucks...have the stuff to raise his truck so he can run the 39.5 hand me downs from his brother going to 42's

edit:now that i read that, i can see weight becoming a factor then also
 
Just another question i have. Of all the welding rods, bolts, steel and such hardware to get this thing driveable if he DID drive it on the roads ...what do you think he'd have invested in all the labor and parts and such?? Just a roundabout figure.

Myself...i'd just save the money up and keep running what i got on there now or smaller if need be but like i said that's just me
 
Seems like it used be common back in the days before lifts were perfected, really available, or common.

Stacking frames could let you run a stock suspension but also run big tires. However it'd tremendously add to the weight of the vehicle and negatively effect the handling.
 
well lets see, if you look at it as his labor as free and if i help him and do the welding for him, i would get labor help in return from him (and use of tools/stuff following.... myself for my rig), the bolts and wire for the mig and the mig and tools and even the shop space and prolly the metal to box with, he even has a large shear to cut said metal and an iron worker to punch rossete's so no drillin or torchin holes(altho the drillpress and torch are availabe,lathe,milling machine, he has the place and right job/boss to do this for very, very little out of his pocket), he has been told he could have stuff/use of shop and tools from his boss and do it in the corner of shop w/ a lift), his boss owns a large farm(and rides around all the time drinkin schaff's beer...hahaha never seen it anywhere else) and owns 6-8 big shops that are all tooled up and ready to be worked in depending on which is closest to broke equipment(he/boss, usually has 3-4, at any given time open w/employess..."workin in shop" to make their hrs for the week or rainy days, he may could find time/ways to work on his truck during on clock hrs..) and we would do this in same place he has his parts trucks and he works there, so forklift and other stuff he can run...very little$!

if he does it, i'm helping him and doing most/if not all welding...just so i gain use of said facilities....as a matter of fact ...i'm going to encourage the idea :-) and try it how i said...not my truck and i stand to gain fabrication shop use...we may become good friends :-)
 
hahaha

Slapperbar said:
Note to self...STAY THE FOCK OUT OF ARKANSAS.



That is all.
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why?...the truck is strictly for the mud pit and won't be street legal or driven on street ..peterbilt and lowboy trailered to pit, his brother just climbs his truck(dirtwater fox) up on the lowboy, no ramps(cool to watch) and(its why his boss, let him do it w/shop materials)..gettin the farms name and parts places, they deal with, painted on as sponsors, i think his boss maybe gettin sum'n in return :deal:for letting him build the truck and showing parts place ads on the truck, they already run 1 like this at shop expense, including trailering to "events" w/ big rig!

or are you talking about all the schaff beer his boss drinks and drives...hahaha, i no its not a funny thing, but i can't get over shaffs....i've heard people talk about it, have never seen it forsale...i was told they quit makin it...his boss has an old 3 bedroom house on his property that is stacked full of the stuff...supposedely, he bought like 1 1/2 mac trucks full of the stuff yrs yrs ago, when it was cheap! its 4-5 cases deep from every wall and 12-18? cases high(tall, BUNCH OF BEER)..some rooms stacked full w/no trail in! looks like it would go bad:dunno: i've tryed 1 on several occasions...tasted like cheap beer...a required taste i guess:haha:
 
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why?...the truck is strictly for the mud pit and won't be street legal or driven on street ..peterbilt and lowboy trailered to pit, his brother just climbs his truck(dirtwater fox) up on the lowboy, no ramps(cool to watch) and(its why his boss, let him do it w/shop materials)..gettin the farms name and parts places, they deal with, painted on as sponsors, i think his boss maybe gettin sum'n in return :deal:for letting him build the truck and showing parts place ads on the truck, they already run 1 like this at shop expense, including trailering to "events" w/ big rig!
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Sounds like your friend needs to talk to his "sponsor's" about some cash for a lift kit.I personally wouldnt want some hacked up turd running around with my buisness on the side of it.

It's hard to believe that in 2008 people are still wanting to run stacked frames.That's like 1982 tech or something.
 
Come to Michigan, you'd be surprised. I've never seen so many trars since I moved to Northern Michigan.
 
Yeah somebody around here built a trams-am bodied trar.Everywhere you looked last summer it was there.First one I have seen in several years.I would imagine Mich get's a lot of inbred body transplant's due to rust.
 
blazin blazer said:
the truck is strictly for the mud pit and won't be street legal or driven on street .
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Well for this idea i see no problem with running stacked frames. If you have everything to do it why not IMO
 
Originally Posted by blazin blazer
the truck is strictly for the mud pit and won't be street legal or driven on street .
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Oh... so the truck will just sink in the mud pit and fill the hole?

I dont care what the use is for, Its just stupid.:rolleyes:
 
allrighty then

Why not just get a big truck frame ! say a mack or pete and mount the body to that with some 2.5 rocks . it would be super stong .or better yet find a older cement truck. they where 4 wheel drive allready. yeeeeehaaa . sorry just rambling :D:D:D
 
I dont' know why all you guys are so against this idea...seems as though you've seen it done wrong once and then you assume that it can't be done properly. I don't think I'd do it because I'd probaly just build my own chassis from scratch if I needed that much lift but its up to him really.

I think there is a right and a wrong way to do this. If you had both frames mated together nicely, welded by a trained welder etc I don't see the problem. You could build some cross members that connect both frames for added strenght and box whatever is left of both frames. It'd be strong, really strong. Alot stronger then a 3" regular bodylift, I'd say.

It might not look so cool cause you'd have a whole bunch of frame hanging down under the body but w/e, if its burried in mud anyways who cares?!

Another benefit is you wouldn't have to run such high lift springs. With a bit of trimming, maybe some axle spacing, and a small lift spring you could run pretty much w/e tire you wanted. The spring would still be soft and ride better then those 12" arched as hell ones you see on most mud rigs. Maybe ride really isn't a concern of his but its still a bonus in my mind.

All that being said, I think there is alot of guys here that form an oppinion against an idea in general and then just chirp back the same response everytime. I think if he builds this thing, shows some pics, then form an oppinion. If its a mud-only truck then I really, really don't care if he does this. So what if his body falls off in the mud pit, it'll just be something for all the people to laugh at.

I'm finishing my Mech. Eng degree this year and I would like to see someone model a single frame and a stacked frame and run some analysis on it. I think everyone would see that if they were in fact joined together properly and had proper cross-members, they could be stronger then a single frame. If someone sent me some dimesions of a frame I could even make up a rough drawing in solidworks and try to run some different loads.

Well thats what I have to say for now. So instead of just saying "don't do it~!" give some reasons with some backing.

Flame on,

RustBuket
 
Mainly because you're adding again the single heaviest object in a vehicle. Frames are heavy...just can't see adding a second one when springs and cutting can do the same thing.

Seems like a good way to make a 6000lb truck a 7000lb truck.
 
AJMBLAZER said:
Mainly because you're adding again the single heaviest object in a vehicle. Frames are heavy...just can't see adding a second one when springs and cutting can do the same thing.

Seems like a good way to make a 6000lb truck a 7000lb truck.
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Exactly... and lots of weight and mud bogging don't exactly go hand-in-hand.
 
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