CK5
Register an account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members.
The bladder is a good idea. I assume yours will be custom fit to your tank.

It requires the integrity of the tank welds to be less important. It helps prevent leaks.

Even good welds can crack over time. Good welds, plus a bladder, equals no worries about burning yourself, your wife, your kid to death. Winning.
 
Let's not confuse your "removable top cover" of your tank with the bladder itself. The sender needs to be IN the bladder. Am I missing something here? What brand bladder are you going to use?

I haven't done much research on companies, but I know that ATL makes custom bladders and they are reasonably close to me (NJ). You can have all sorts of "bulkhead" fittings added to the bladder for fuel hoses, senders, etc. to top of the bladder will need a big enough hole to allow the sender assembly to pass to the inside. The large top cover of this tank design will still have a smaller oval shaped access panel too.

I have heard too many neg comments about foam breaking down.

Hyrdramat FTW.

I am not excited about the thought of using foam either, and would prefer to use HydraMat if possible. I just don't know yet if I can stick one inside the bladder with no other baffling... still need to make some phone calls and do some more research. :thinking:

The bladder is a good idea. I assume yours will be custom fit to your tank.

It requires the integrity of the tank welds to be less important. It helps prevent leaks.

Even good welds can crack over time. Good welds, plus a bladder, equals no worries about burning yourself, your wife, your kid to death. Winning.

Exactly! The bladder is a huge safety item... and it allows me to feel confident that I can easily repair any cracks in the tank over time. But if there was ever a crash or a bad rollover, it would contain the fuel much more completely than a simple metal tank could.

-G
 
Could you use the Alltech baffles with the hydromat or even just an Alltech fuel pump plate in the bladder.
 
Well it took me a week to catch up but now I'm up to date.
A lot happened this year more than years past.

Hi Issam!!!

It's been a while since I've seen you around.... welcome back! :waytogo:


Yeah 2016 started off with a real BANG!!!! Falling off the ladder and breaking bones (January 3rd) was certainly a first for me....

But after recovering from that I was able to hit some important areas:

  • New rear bedfloor purchased, wheel tubs relocated for longer wheelbase
  • New 17" Steel Wheels assembled, test fit and finish welded. Painted white and installed tires.
  • New door bars added to rollcage
  • New convoluted cage plates designed
  • Rear bedsides removed
  • Rear original bedfloor removed
  • Fuel Tank design for almost 30 gallons of "high clearance" capacity
  • 3" Exhaust designed with Borla providing resonators and mufflers
  • Fender Flaring experiments that will replace the "pizza slice" method used in previous years
  • Removal and replacement of concrete apron in garage
  • Removal of mezzanine and re-insulate garage with new higher ceiling and clearances
  • CNC machined rockslider parts with tapered cone (threaded) mounting system
  • New flip and shackle-pivot seat track design on passenger seat (with integrated slider)
  • ...and finally some quality time spent learning TIG welding on a machine that I bought over a year ago!

The end of the year is a natural time to reflect on the accomplishments of 2016... and probably a pretty good time to start the planning process for how to move forward efficiently in 2017 on this build. There is still PLENTY of work to accomplish, and MANY more hours to be logged to get everything assembled and running. For those of you keeping track.... only about 600 days remain before the BlazerBash 2018 Event in Moab!!! :yikes: I threw down the gauntlet several years ago and promised that I'd have this truck finished in time to get there..... and I have no intention of slowing down now.



-G
 
You about ready? My ankle is up to snuff for a good garage beatdown finally. I'm thinking next weekend would be a good time to show you how to fab again. Albeit, I have no flipping clue where I left off or what I'm going to do......but I'm pretty sure there will be smack talk involved no matter what it is. lol
 
You about ready? My ankle is up to snuff for a good garage beatdown finally. I'm thinking next weekend would be a good time to show you how to fab again. Albeit, I have no flipping clue where I left off or what I'm going to do......but I'm pretty sure there will be smack talk involved no matter what it is. lol
:popcorn:
 
For some reason I haven't been getting updates on your build and just realized I hadn't seen anything from you in awhile. Looks like you've been busy. Have a great new year and hopefully now that I posted again I will see your progress.
 
Greg,

I just spent the last several weeks spending way too much time going over your build thread... I finished it yesterday and now I find myself feeling addicted to seeing more! haha

Great stuff, look forward to seeing the next update!

-Matt
 
Greg,

I just spent the last several weeks spending way too much time going over your build thread... I finished it yesterday and now I find myself feeling addicted to seeing more! haha

Great stuff, look forward to seeing the next update!

-Matt


Well I'm honored to have inspired you to break your silence after almost a full year on CK5.... and use your 1st Post here!!! :waytogo:


2017 should be a great year of forward progress. I've been a little under the weather lately, so I'm using that down-time to get my thoughts organized and make sure that I've got a good working plan once I "officially" get back into the garage. I've still got some exhaust work to finish, a fuel tank to build and a driver's side seat mount to create. Then it's a fresh set of front floors to cover the holes..... and the installation of the convoluted cage plates on the new bedfloor to that it can be lowered into place (FINALLY!).... Oh, and there's still a ton of "go fast" engine parts that were purchased about a year ago that never got installed... so the plan is to rework the motor in time for a 1st-Time startup (in 10 years!) once the warmer springtime weather arrives!!! :saweet:

Stay Tuned!


-G
 
I saw some of the bladder comments, Harmon fuel cells will make you a custom bladder also if atl won't or can't for your application.
Your gonna drive it this year right??
 
I saw some of the bladder comments, Harmon fuel cells will make you a custom bladder also if atl won't or can't for your application.
Your gonna drive it this year right??


If "Drive" means into the garage under it's own power.....then yes.

If "Drive" means street-legal running down the road.... not bloody likely. :haha:


-G
 
Crap. Started reading this thread from the beginning last week and now I am caught up. I will need to find new ways to occupy my down time.

Going through eight years of someone elses life in two weeks is always a trip. Seriously cool build though. The portals and your flat bottom efforts are great; delayed congrats to your now-not-so-new-spawn; the 17"s with hub caps will probably set a new trend; love the headers; I really like the wainscotting you posted.

Now I join the legions of CK5ers waiting eagerly for updates as the madness continues.
 
2017.01.25 - UPDATE! - 2017 FUEL TANK v.2...


So there's been quite a bit of back-and-forth going on with the tank design / build over the last few weeks.

Brian did some great renderings in CAD and I took them to a local sheetmetal shop and discussed how they could assist in getting it all bent-up for me. It became clear VERY quickly that the costs were skyrocketing based on the complexity of trying to minimize welded seams... there was at least $1000 in labor (and probably quite a bit more than that) just to get everything into the final shape. It made sense to try to simplify the design and accept the fact that it would have to be welded in more places to simplify the construction, reduce costs and speed up the schedule. Waiting around for a 3rd-party to schedule me several weeks out doesn't sit well with me either.

The other area where I spend a lot of time considering (and reconsidering) my options was with the fuel bladder. I was concerned that with a large open fuel cavity, there would not be adequate bracing of the fuel tank. It is roughly 24" long and 33" wide across the bottom and that is a very large unsupported span of metal, especially with the weight of 30 gallons of fuel pressing down on it... and sloshing around creating dynamic loads as well. Ultimately, I decided that I could do a better job of building a strong tank if I went with a more conventional design that was internally baffled. This adds good strength to the tank, and makes the whole thing more impervious to damage from the underside. As a concession to the loss of the bladder system, the outside corners will all get wrapped with 1" x 1" stainless "L bracket" shaped pieces. This will add more corner strength and will also make it more likely that the tank will be leak-free at all the welded seams since they will effectively be "doubled up" with metal and welds.

It goes without saying that a lot of time has been logged just building MDF and paper tempates of the fuel tank.....so it was time to finally just spend some money and get some real material into the shop to start the building process once-and-for-all.

The decision was made to go with a 4x8' sheet of T304 (Stainless Dull finish) in 16GA (.060") thickness. This seemed like a good compromise between strength, weight and cost.... and given that this tank will be protected with a full steel skidplate from underneath, going with a thicker material was not justified.

IMG_4888.jpg




The one design element that was added back in were the small "wing" pockets on either side of the tank.

IMG_4881.jpg




These serve a couple of functions. First, they add about 1 gallon of extra fuel capacity to the overall design... putting it comfortably in the 30 gallon capacity that was envisioned. Second, these kickouts fit directly underneath the rear framerails so that when the tank is raised into position they will serve as a solid anchorpoint to draw the tank up to the frame. This will allow for a very simple anchoring setup without using long sling-type straps underneath the tank. I have also toyed with the idea of installing pivoting brackets on one side of the tank to allow it to "swing down" for access to the top panel if I need to access the fuel sender, or internal fuel pumps for replacement. This would be a lot more elegant than building a large trapdoor into the rear bedfloor and makes me feel more comfortable about going with an "in-tank" pump vs. a framerail mounted one.

The first order of business was getting those massive 4x4' sheets of stainless down to a more workable size. Since the bottom of the tank is 24" x 33"... it made sense to cut that first and build the tank from the bottom-up.

IMG_4894.jpg



The tank has two corners that are cut at 45* to allow the dual-exhaust to pass by on the way out the rear corners of the truck. So those cuts came next.

IMG_4897.jpg



The construction of the front wall began next. This section fits up against the rearmost crossmember (just below the tailgate area). Of course the hardest thing about working with stainless that you learn right away is that all of the conventional methods you are used to using to fixture and hold parts in place for welding (aka. magnets) DON'T WORK!!!! T304 is a non-magnetic alloy, so I had to get creative so that the first few TIG tacks could be laid-down.

IMG_4906.jpg



A few items were recently added to the shop. The new WEN overhead air filtration system was a good one for health and air-quality, a simple 36" long outlet strip was attached to the underside of the workbench for grinders and cutoff tools, and I bought an el-cheapo LED task light with a magnetic base that I can now use to illuminate my TIG welding area. I cannot overstate what a great improvement that last item was... being able to REALLY see the tungsten and distance from the parts makes a huge difference in being able to initiate a weld, and puddle quickly when doing tacks.... $15 well spent!! :waytogo:

For consideration: This is the setup that I'm now looking at for my in-tank pump setup. It's from Holley and comes with a small Hydramat as part of the kit. It seems like a good solution to drop into the baffled part of the tank.... though I still need to sneak in a fuel sender somewhere because I don't think this setup has one. :dunno:


HollyPump.jpg




That's it for now! More progress tonight.....


-G
 
If you are adding a custom fuel sender I suggest the capactive type they use in boats, no moving parts to wear out, just a tube you cut to length and then tune the endpoints with the tiny screws.
 
If you are adding a custom fuel sender I suggest the capactive type they use in boats, no moving parts to wear out, just a tube you cut to length and then tune the endpoints with the tiny screws.

Sounds cool! Do they come in the 0-90ohm range that are needed for an automotive app like this?


-G
 
Top Bottom