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That reminds me.... I am just about out of 1.75" x .120 wall DOM

Crap.

Need some of those nickels. :D

Now, I seem to recall you winning someone's :surepal: Ebay auction, and paying the seller in pocket change.

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You shoulda kept 'em, Greg!

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along with the A/C (but with V/A it dont really matter) but keep in mind (as I'm sure you have....with a list??) anything that gets attached to, or passes through the firewall, wiper motor? ignition box, FAST fuel regulator, wiring, linkage, solenoids, ps reservoir, coolant tank, relays, etc. etc.....when adding tube.
I have strived to attach everything to the engine cage or firewall, to allow easy removal of the inner and outer fenders easier....and I like it too.
 
2013.08.25 - UPDATE! - TOTALLY TUBULAR PROGRESS...!!!!


There's nothing like making a simple plan of attack, and then executing it and having things actually work out correctly without a lot of excess drama... :waytogo:

I had a plan to put together some of that tubing that I'd shown using my MS-Paint artistry in the previous posts, after a day of "honey dos" on Saturday, my schedule was clear... so with a nice big cup of hot coffee and a clean workshop it was time to dig in.

First a few small updates:

Finally got around to installing one of the Unimog 404 Camber Plates to get rid of the stock positive camber that the 404 knuckles have built into them...

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Nice...! Just need some longer bolts and a complete set of spherical washers to eliminate the side-loading of the boltheads now that they are all sitting at about 1.5* of angularity against the current washers.

Then I did a quick experiment to see if I could come up with a cheap "wobble stop" idea for my heims that don't actually need to articulate. A small sheet of black UHMWPE from McMaster-Carr and a few carefully selected holesaws was all it took to come up with a winner.

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Now....on to the show!!! :D


The construction of the firewall engine cradle bar was going to be a little tricky because I wanted to really thread-the-needle on the driver's side and place the bar where it wouldn't block any of the items that need to pass through the firewall area (fuse block, brake cylinder, etc). Also, since the hoop this is landing on gets progressively larger toward the firewall it's virtually impossible to slide a pre-made bar into the spot where it need to go. There is never enough clearance to get the bar in there once it's fishmouthed the way I wanted it. So the decision was to build it in two mirror-image sections and then weld them in the center with an additional slug of DOM for strength. Once the bars were in position (slightly short, but inside the perimeter bar), the bars are pushed apart about 1/4" at the slug area to draw them tightly into the corners. :waytogo:

Here's the first bar after bending.

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Once that was checked a few times for fit and clearance, I stole the fishmouth patterns using a paper template, and transferred them (as a mirror image) to the opposite tube. Using a wrapper saves a TON of time and gets things very close to the final shapes, with only minor fine-tuning required.

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Here's the bar installed, with nice tight fitment at the joints.

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It should be pretty clear that more triagulation is needed to make the engine structure truly functional and strong. So the first addition was a set of vertical down-bars to the top of each framerail. In this shot of the driver's side, you can see that the bar was carefully fitted to provide clearance for 4 critical items (brake cylinder, steering column, square fuseblock and parking brake cable). I should still have enough room to get my valve covers off too!

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The next step will be to rework the diagonal down-bars that run from the outer corners of the engine cage (along the firewall) and down to that same landing pad on the top of each framerail. That will help to strengthen everything that is going on in the firewall area.... after that, an additional bar can be added (as shown in green tape) in this photo to help to define an upper strut mount area.....

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Being somewhere within the confines of that triangle should allow for a pretty straightforward build of some upper mounts across those points somehow... after that, it probably makes sense to run one more bar on each side from that unsupported node (marked with the "X" on the green tape) and bring that down to the framerail as well. Given how the tire will encroach into that area under compression, there's a good chance that tube will need to have a bend in it to avoid contact. However, the side-benefit of a bend there is that it will start to establish a good shape for my new inner fenderwell sheetmetal..... it's nice when a plan starts to work out.



-G
 
Have you double checked that your valve cover will come off?

Martin


The photos may make it look tighter than it really is. When I tacked those bars in place last night I used some 3/4" blocking to establish clearances away from the valve covers. Usually, if you can lift the valve cover by maybe 1/4-3/8" and get them off the mounting lip, you can then wriggle them upward (and inward) toward the rocker arms and usually end up with plenty of clearance to lift them off the rest of the way.

It's definitely worth confirming though. Not being able to remove the valve covers without a cutting torch would be embarrassing. :D



-G
 
Did you finish with figuring the front suspension geometry?
Or did you move to engine cage work for some fresh air?

Amazining work you do BTW! :bow:
 
Did you finish with figuring the front suspension geometry?
Or did you move to engine cage work for some fresh air?

Amazining work you do BTW! :bow:


The suspension is pretty close to finished at this point. I'm within about 1/4" of full 6" bump travel (measured at the lower link mount bolt) so I figured that was close enough for now and moved on to welding up the final bracketry for the links and PHB.

Ultimately the total suspension travel is dictated by the exact location of the struts themselves, not the lower link mount bolt... so it seemed like a good time to get the mounts built so that when I cycle everything it will give me a 100% accurate indication of how far up the axle will go. As I'm sure you know the travel "at the tire" is different from the travel "at the strut".... you almost always get more travel at the tire than you do at the strut. Or to put it another way..... 6" of travel at the strut is almost certain to give you more than 6" of uptravel at the tire itself.

I will probably indulge this "fresh air" diversion for a couple more days until I get the upper mounts built. Then it's back to the final few bits of the suspension before I go through another "cycling marathon" session:

1. Cut out and install a fresh lower PHB mounting plate using the existing muti-part plate as template.
2. Finish the bracketry to box-in the PS lower link mount and radius the underside of the bracket to match DS parts.
3. Rework clearances around the underside of the PHB mount (axle side) to relieve all interferences under one-wheel-stuff configurations
4. Finalize PHB frame-side bracket mount. Lower bracket by ~1/4" - 3/8" for slightly better clearance at max uptravel.
5. Spend time finishing up steering arm heim mounts, as well as clearancing the large 3/8" flat plate to improve tire sidewall clearance.
6. Select location for steering box. Make sure radiator will still fit as previously designed.
7. Rework Idler bracket hole spacing (increase lower hole spacing to 8-3/4" to match new steering arm geometry).
8. Figure out mounting height of idler bracket on frame so that draglink angle will match existing PHB angle (5.01*)
9. Connect small upper-linkage between pitman arm and idler setup. Test that steering can still go full lock-to-lock as planned.
10. Get some sponsors like the Dante's Peak Build! :waytogo: ORI would be a good one right about now... Branik would be REALLY good to have with all the links and custom shafts that this build still needs! :deal:




-G
 
Greg,

Looks really nice. Just a thought...The stock hood has some structure at the firewall edge. Checked for clearance?
 
Greg,

Looks really nice. Just a thought...The stock hood has some structure at the firewall edge. Checked for clearance?

Didn't check that but since I'm going to convert to a 1-piece front end there will be plenty of opportunities to make changes in that area... :thinking:

Are you planning on running a distributor?

If so might want to check that clearance too looks a little tight

You must be thinking about a stock large-body dizzy. The MSD stuff is really small by comparison. I had miles of clearance under that shrouded area last time around.... :waytogo:

-G
 
Greg do you have stuff you could mock up in there for steering column, brake MC and hydroboost system, and other stuff that goes there.

Just a suggestion its gonna get very tight to the strut I think. You know as well as I do that pics can be deceiving, but I would like to see some sort of block off to get all that stuff in there and make sure the strut isn't going to hit any of it throughout its travel

Oh also I think you should do a cool fabricated tunnel inbetween to mount the ORIs too. Remember dimple dies help the shock react quicker
 
Here's a quick image from last night for the CK5 dawn patrol fellas....

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I'm very pleased with how the tube looks in there next to the firewall bar. Using the same bends in both bars give it a nice symmetry, but it was a real pain to cope those ends properly. Its been a while since I had to land on an existing node where two bars were already welded together..... The required shape to get the correct angle AND to fit snugly around the existing tubes took a lot of test-fitting.

This bar took me something like 2.5 hours to bend and notch for a clean fitment. I was tempted to rush over and weld it in place, but decided to spend the extra 15 minutes creating the tubing wrapper templates off the part. Took those templates off, flipped them over (to create a mirror image part) and within about 20 minutes I had the other side completely finished. :waytogo: Totally worth it to slow down for a few extra minutes to save me a couple hours of tedious hand-fitting for the second tube.

I'll post up some additional beauty shots in the next couple of hours.


(and yes Eric, this upper strut area is just begging for some speed holes!)


-G
 
.... a few more. Uploading from the Photobucket mobile app is the worst.


One bar, 2.5 hours....

You'll notice that I'm using my POB (Plane of Bend) bracket and digital angle finder when doing the fitment of these bars. It added a whole extra layer of tediousness to cut fishmouths with that delicate instrument connected to the bar, but it was necessary to insure that the bends in the bar were truly perpendicular to the floor, just like the ones in the firewall bar. It's the kind of thing that you might not intially think about, but if the bars get welded-in and they are rotated by 10* or 20*things are going to look "off". It's the kind of issue most people wouldn't immediately be able to identify, but when you see it in person it's obvious that something in that area just isn't quite right.

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The templating of the second bar using a simple paper wrapper to transfer the notching patterns. All you do is cut around the edge of the notch with an X-acto knife to get the pattern, then unwrap it and wrap it with the opposite side of the paper against the tube (to create a mirror-image pattern) and then draw the cut lines on with a blue Sharpie.

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20-minutes later..... (just like on one of those cooking shows!) :D

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With all the bends in that area it actually gets a little hard to visualize what's going on in the photographs....here's a shot from eye-level to help show the relative height of the firewall hoop and the upper strut mount bars....

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.....and finally, the "money shot". (The one where I have to climb up into the filthy attic at almost 1AM and crawl around with my camera to get into position!) :haha:

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Next Up: Some kind of upper strut mounting plate, speed/dimple holes and fewer bungee cords!

:waytogo:


-G
 
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You never cease to impress me. Well done sir:bow:

Are you going to throw any tube disconnects in there or are you banking on being able to get that motor out of that space if you needed to? Looks like it would clear, I'm just curious.
 
You never cease to impress me. Well done sir:bow:

Are you going to throw any tube disconnects in there or are you banking on being able to get that motor out of that space if you needed to? Looks like it would clear, I'm just curious.


I was actually thinking about that last night...

There's plenty of room to remove the engine, but due to the height of the perimeter hoop the cherry picker has to be REALLY high to clear the oilpan.

Uncomfortably high. :eek1:

The thought was to maybe add those tube disconnects up near the radiator area. That way I could slide the hoist directly under from the front of the truck (which is way simpler than from the side which is how I do it most of the time now since my toolboxes are in the way). Pulling the radiator out should be a simple process, and since there won't be a formal core-support structure in the way, the engine should lift out at a very workable (and safe) height.

I'm a little concerned about the brake cylinder area, mostly from a serviceabilty perspective. It seems like there's enough room to get the parts in there, but actually having enough access to add brake fluid or to put a wrench on a flare nut could be tricky.... we'll just have to wait and see. Building a custom mount wouldn't be the end of the world if it came to that.


-G
 
I was actually thinking about that last night...

There's plenty of room to remove the engine, but due to the height of the perimeter hoop the cherry picker has to be REALLY high to clear the oilpan.

Uncomfortably high. :eek1:

The thought was to maybe add those tube disconnects up near the radiator area. That way I could slide the hoist directly under from the front of the truck (which is way simpler than from the side which is how I do it most of the time now since my toolboxes are in the way). Pulling the radiator out should be a simple process, and since there won't be a formal core-support structure in the way, the engine should lift out at a very workable (and safe) height.

I'm a little concerned about the brake cylinder area, mostly from a serviceabilty perspective. It seems like there's enough room to get the parts in there, but actually having enough access to add brake fluid or to put a wrench on a flare nut could be tricky.... we'll just have to wait and see. Building a custom mount wouldn't be the end of the world if it came to that.


-G
That was kinda what I was thinking. Not the end of the world to take the front wheels off too, but much easier to add something now that would allow you to access everything in a reasonable/safe way.

The hydroboost MC is big in a different way than a standard vacuum setup. It's long and with 3 extra (larger) lines coming up to it, it takes up more space than you might expect. I'm sure you'll find a place for it or way to make it work, but that's the trouble with anything extra in the engine bay of these trucks. I went over and looked at my old 93 the other day and couldn't believe how much space there was in there. Kinda funny that an older/bigger truck is a bit cramped for space compared to a newer one.
 

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