76 CCDRW...Cummins noises

[DEMON44]

Yep, all 6b/ISB cummins are turbocharged. They never made naturals........ Cause cummins knows naturally aspirated diesels are gay. And a waste of time.

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[cybrfire]

Not to get too far off topic, But Kert,
How is your BB CC dually on long hauls?

As far as the ride goes, I think its incredibly comfortable inside and only getting better. Ride is nice. Firm but not rough.

Last couple halls I've done with it, I haven't been short on power. Just recently I pulled a Chevy truck back to the shop. No engine, trans or tcase and no front axle. It was a lighter load as far as trucks go. It did have some lift to it and had to be loaded backwards on the trailer so the ass was way up there in the wind. I ran headlong right into the wind and had some fun with it. People look at you funny when you pass them like that.

Wind resistance on your load is a huge factor and as Miniwally said, the mountain elevations will kill ya. I'm looking forward to the next trip out there to see how she does.

Sooner or later, i'll be making some mods to the trailer to help beat back some of the wind resistance of the second brick.

 

[blazinzuk]

I think Dave you need to look at this in the very very long term.

You are probably going to be using this truck for a while now that you have it. Lets face it the factory stuff isn't that nice as far as HVAC or ergonomics or anything like that.

So if the goal is a cummins well then there are certain things ya gotta do.

The vintage air system is the best way to do it. And is a far superior system to the stock one. That gets the AC stuff out of the way and makes for a pretty engine bay.

A VE pump cummins as has been said is not a bad engine at all. And lets face it Dave you are not know for good self control when it comes to engines.

So if the eventual goal is a cummins ( a rebuilt 454 would be cool swapped into the jeepster). Then start making plans with that goal in mind.

With my dually my plan is a cummins, eventually. I am not getting rid of this truck though at all, and I like you won't really be daily driving it. But it sure is nice to set the cruise at hwy speeds and leave it there. Its also nice to have something else to drive when whatever is down for work or something. The cummins makes it even possible for me to think about daily driving it instead of with the gas motor when it would be a oh crap I need to drive the dually.

So while the power with the cummins is so nice I am planning the swap to make my dually more daily driver friendly.

The 454 I am building now will find its way into something or other.

So I think if the long term goal is the cummins then there are several things you need to do first, then worry about finding one.

Also I am very much looking forward to seeing how much overboard you go with this truck

 

[DEMON44]

Ah, I just looked over those pages with pics of Bart again, ya it might have been born with a BBC but it would be very comfortable with a VE cummins. Big, old, 2wd, dually. Yep it would love it, you would love it.

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[63chevyll]

Hey Zimmer, besides Bart, do you have another tow rig or is this/ will this be your only one

 

[Big Ray]

built & turbo'd/supercharged 454...

 

[jekquistk5]

http://toledo.craigslist.org/pts/2739132864.html





http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/2715720498.html

 

[sixb]

I also say go with the Cummins.
I also strongly suggest going with a manual tranny.

 

[76zimmer]

Yep, all 6b/ISB cummins are turbocharged. They never made naturals........ Cause cummins knows naturally aspirated diesels are gay. And a waste of time.

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,exactly, whats the point without a turbo right?

Sooner or later, i'll be making some mods to the trailer to help beat back some of the wind resistance of the second brick.

like a brick wall right?

I think Dave you need to look at this in the very very long term.

You are probably going to be using this truck for a while now that you have it. Lets face it the factory stuff isn't that nice as far as HVAC or ergonomics or anything like that.

So if the goal is a cummins well then there are certain things ya gotta do.

The vintage air system is the best way to do it. And is a far superior system to the stock one. That gets the AC stuff out of the way and makes for a pretty engine bay.

A VE pump cummins as has been said is not a bad engine at all. And lets face it Dave you are not know for good self control when it comes to engines.

So if the eventual goal is a cummins ( a rebuilt 454 would be cool swapped into the jeepster). Then start making plans with that goal in mind.

With my dually my plan is a cummins, eventually. I am not getting rid of this truck though at all, and I like you won't really be daily driving it. But it sure is nice to set the cruise at hwy speeds and leave it there. Its also nice to have something else to drive when whatever is down for work or something. The cummins makes it even possible for me to think about daily driving it instead of with the gas motor when it would be a oh crap I need to drive the dually.

So while the power with the cummins is so nice I am planning the swap to make my dually more daily driver friendly.

The 454 I am building now will find its way into something or other.

So I think if the long term goal is the cummins then there are several things you need to do first, then worry about finding one.

Also I am very much looking forward to seeing how much overboard you go with this truck

I know Eric, I really need to nail down exactly where I want this to go..although I do plan on keeping it quite a while, I do have a tendency to change directions now and then

Hey Zimmer, besides Bart, do you have another tow rig or is this/ will this be your only one

right now I have my 99 2500 6.0, it did pretty good considering it was 2-3K over its intended towing capacity... at least until we got up high elevation. But in reality that will only happen out west, everything on the east is less than 5K.

built & turbo'd/supercharged 454...

http://toledo.craigslist.org/pts/2739132864.html





http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/2715720498.html

Nice Jess, that would look pretty cool and keep it all GM....cept the electronics scare the hell out of me..

 

[jekquistk5]

,exactly, whats the point without a turbo right?




like a brick wall right?



I know Eric, I really need to nail down exactly where I want this to go..although I do plan on keeping it quite a while, I do have a tendency to change directions now and then


right now I have my 99 2500 6.0, it did pretty good considering it was 2-3K over its intended towing capacity... at least until we got up high elevation. But in reality that will only happen out west, everything on the east is less than 5K.





Nice Jess, that would look pretty cool and keep it all GM....cept the electronics scare the hell out of me..

Dave you would have the entire wiring harness, plus you would get an Allison and 4wd if you wanted. As long as you can match blue with blue, and red with red I would say you are fine.

 

[fabjunkie]

this year going to/from BB we went up through Laramie, which was I think close to 7600, and heading east on 80, I was down to 1st gear for most of that climb, also coming out of Rifle headed north. So I know what your talking about. my 6.0 did really good other than that I thought.
Now I may only get that high once or twice in the next 5 years, so other than that I'm sure the BBC will do fine towing my 10-12K...

That pass coming East out of Laramie (7200 btw) is a chore for anything I've driven it in.

 

[imiceman44]

That pass coming East out of Laramie (7200 btw) is a chore for anything I've driven it in.

I don't feel it in my truck...
Well maybe 1650 lbs of torque helps a bit.
No seriously that hill is brutal, I know from when I took the family in our 2003 honda civic, it even struggled.

 

[miniwally]

That pass coming East out of Laramie (7200 btw) is a chore for anything I've driven it in.

Haven't done the pass between Laramie and Cheyenne.
The climb up to the top of Rio Blanco hill sucks to. If it was interstate it would be no big deal but the somewhat narrow two/three lane road with 55 mph speed limits is hard. Keep in mind I be the top of Rio Blanco is over 8,000' so it's no slouch.

Kind of funny seeing some of these elevations, my house is at 7,000'. I had a guy trying to help me cure some EGT issues I was having in my D-max a few years ago. Claimed to have a recipe that was proven at high altitude, I asked what his idea of high altitude was and he replied with 6,000'. I laughed and told him that was the Valley floor where I live.

Why not liquidate and buy a newer D-max

 

[76zimmer]

Haven't done the pass between Laramie and Cheyenne.
The climb up to the top of Rio Blanco hill sucks to. If it was interstate it would be no big deal but the somewhat narrow two/three lane road with 55 mph speed limits is hard. Keep in mind I be the top of Rio Blanco is over 8,000' so it's no slouch.

Kind of funny seeing some of these elevations, my house is at 7,000'. I had a guy trying to help me cure some EGT issues I was having in my D-max a few years ago. Claimed to have a recipe that was proven at high altitude, I asked what his idea of high altitude was and he replied with 6,000'. I laughed and told him that was the Valley floor where I live.

Why not liquidate and buy a newer D-max

yep, those were the two that kicked our ass...down to 1st on both of them, and the trans temp got up a little over 200 going up to RioBlanco, so we pulled over, and in about 10 minutes a cold front came through so we started out again and it stayed below 200 then.
And come on Brandon, everybody knows the round headlight squarebody's are the coolest!

 

[blazinzuk]

Why not liquidate and buy a newer D-max

He wants to be cool, besides your truck can barely beat Horton

 

[cybrfire]

like a brick wall right?

We've made the comparison of these old rigs aerodynamics to that of a brick. Put another rig up behind the tow rig on a gooseneck trailer and now you're pushing two bricks down the road.

 

[76zimmer]

Dave you would have the entire wiring harness, plus you would get an Allison and 4wd if you wanted. As long as you can match blue with blue, and red with red I would say you are fine.

Soooo, being as you have one, and similar engine bay, what do you know of that might be any interference???
A/C compressor, pulleys, hydroboost, fuel lines, brake lines, etc?

 

[DEMON44]

There are no pulleys, they're all serpentine. Ac compressor in stock dodge lowmount location, would very likey require notching the frame. If you put on a freightliner highmount bracket. It flips the AC comp above the alt and lowers the alt slightly. No frame interference. Hydroboost just needs conversion lines to the pump. Fuel lines just need rubber connections to suction and return. Put power to the starter, the fuel solenoid, and if its winter to the grid heaters. it will start and run just like that.

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[jltait]

Dave,
Here is a link to the pictures of my '87 2wd crewcab. It was planned to be a build thread, but It really only turned out to be a brief overview with pictures. The truck was a 454/th400 but is now a 1st gen VE cummins/NV4500. I used a gm nv4500 and swapped input etc. to make it work with the cummins.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=461815

also here is a link to a thread that outlines the parts I used for the hydro clutch setup. I used a GM Master and Dodge slave with fittings I pieced together

http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?19010-k30-12valve-swap-motor-mounts

I am in Eaton Rapids, MI. so if you are ever interested you can come and check it out, I have loose ends still but worked the truck fairly hard in this configuration over the summer and am very happy with it. The truck moves effortlessly without a load. It could use a turbocharger upgrade, but otherwise I am happy. Right now the engine is completely stock other than a 3200 gov spring.

 

[jltait]

Oops, I guess the 4btswaps site will not allow you to see pictures unless you are a logged in member. If you are interested in the hydro clutch setup I can post up that data here or add it to the 67...72 chev site in the other link.
On a side note I will add that the cummins fits these chassis' in the 2wd configuration very nicely. The harmonic balancer will be very tight to the front crossmember (mine is about 1/4 inch), and the engine is about 3/4"-1" away from the firewall. I am not currently running a fan (and have not as of yet) but the stock mechanical fan appears to be capable of fitting even with the 4 core radiator. Everything else fits real nice, the dodge power steering pump runs the hydro boost without issue, I only needed to "T" in the return line to get it to work 'cause the pump reservoir only has one welded in return bung. considering the 4x4 conversions I looked at before doing my 2wd I have to say the 2wd chassis if definitely easier.
Hope this helps
JLT