Thank you.
And about the modules, we don't have any more right now, but there is a possibility in the future we may build some to sell after we continue testing this one some more.
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'83 K10 SB "L1TSBFIBBC" build
- Thread starter folkenheath
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Thank you.
And about the modules, we don't have any more right now, but there is a possibility in the future we may build some to sell after we continue testing this one some more.
dune jump
1/2 ton status
Well done sir! Can't wait to see some more pics and videos from this weekend- hope you guys had fun and sorry I couldn't make it.
Well done sir! Can't wait to see some more pics and videos from this weekend- hope you guys had fun and sorry I couldn't make it.
Thanks Jer, and maybe we can schedule another trip after I get this sorted out.
Well the Silver Lake trip was a lot of fun but not without it's drawbacks.
On the way up my brother had a power steering pump go out in Chicago. Had to get it fixed in the ghetto, he said they were putting the bars back on the windows when they left. He had his 6 month old daughter, 2.5 year old son, and wife with him in his 2002 Dmax.
Then he shredded 2 of the 6 groooves of his belt the rest of the way up, didn't arrive until 3 AM. He got a new belt Sat morning before we went out on the sand.
My dad's temp gauge quit on the 47 Willys, got a new one of those sat morning too. The Willys was insane with the blown 502. Even in high range with the 44s you could just murder the tires through all 3 gears. You almost couldn't shift fast enough to keep the Rs down. A wild machine!
The rest of the day Saturday went great, was fun racing and cruising all over the dunes. The truck was running good! I raced it several times and cruised all over the dunes with it. Sat night we got off the dunes pretty late.
It was a lot rougher though and my truck wasn't riding as good as it did a month ago. I forgot my N2 tank so I couldn't check pressures. But I did raise my dual rate stops up (I had moved them down and didn't like it). I also removed some oil from the rear bumps. FOA told me to fill them up to a 1/4" from the top when they were compressed. It was way too much oil, they would hydraulic lock an inch from the end pretty much after the oil aerated. So I let the pressure out and compressed them with the valve open, oil came out the last inch, so I thought, better. I Just put 120 psi of air in them temporarily since I didn't have N2. It was a little definitely better but it was a lot rougher than a month ago out there too.
So Sunday afternoon I was driving by myself and I was approaching the whoops. I thought, well, I know the bumps are working, and my sliders are back, so lets nail them things, so I started hauling ass over the big whoops (~50 MPH) at the end. Big mistake. My rear suspension could not handle it. It started bouncing drastically. Don't know if the bumps weren't returning fast enough or what. But it started bouncing so bad I knew I was going to break something. I tried to slow down, but that made it worse, so I kept going fast and it wasn't good but it was better than slowing down, but then the whoops got to their largest part and it starting bouncing so high that I was almost vertical nose down. Talk about scary. I had to floor it to pull the front end forward because I know for sure if I didn't I would have caught the bumper and flipped. It was very bad. Scared the crap out of me, I was shaken up pretty bad. If I didn't have EFI and wasn't in 4WD so I could floor it and pull out, I would have been upside down who knows how many times. The rear was bouncing so fast I would floor it as the rear was going up and I could feel the front end pulling me but the rearend was still rising, luckily the front would pull out and the rear would start falling and I would let off, and then it would do it again.
So the whoops ended, I got it to a stop, and got out to find out I bend my frame in the back pretty bad, box wasn't lined up at all any more. New HD dual rubber exhaust hanger broke, when that broke the exhaust came down and busted my rear braided brake line. Dented the tailpipe to hell too. I think my axles are fine but it makes me wonder.
There was an older lady that pulled up in a jeep a minute later, she said, "that was awesome, I've never seen anything like that before". (I thought, no, it wasn't awesome, I bent my frame and broke some stuff and almost flipped it.) But I just said to her, "well, I had to floor it so I didn't flip over.". And she said, "I wondered about that, I definitely thought you were flipping over but you never did".
My brother in law saw the whole thing go down from his quad (Jason is the guy Silverdune met in the pit area). He said, "I thought you were going over". My Dad asked him, so how high was the rear of his truck? And he said, "well, how long is the truck, because he was almost vertical". Everything under my seat was out in the floor, my hitch mount hit me in the ankle. And my rear bed mat was folded over AND upside down in the front of the bed. I knew I was going to break something if I kept this speed up but I didn't really have a choice, because it was either break something or flip it and break everything. I remember thinking, "I am either screwed or screwed at this point".
So I put a new exhaust hanger on, and the next day I found a place that sells braided brake lines and pieced one of those together and bled the brakes Monday morning.
The frame didn't bend where I notched it for the shocks, and it didn't bow down in the middle either. The braces I made for the frame/shocks are still in position fine. Surprisingly it bent in front of and behind my crossmember that supports the bump stops. The bumpstops are mounted out, not notched. Basically when the rear of the truck came slamming down the bed weight was forcing the frame down over the bump stops on both sides, so it bent the frame down on both sides, in front and back of the axle, so in 4 places pretty much. The rear bumper is now too low, and rear shackle hangers are pointing forward and the shackle angle is all messed up, and the box floor is bowed up in the middle forcing the sides to point up and the rear of the bed to sag. It looks pretty stupid that way.
Drove it home but the frame is bent up. It can be straightened because it's not kinked. I have too much work into that frame to not have it straightened, but I wonder how much that is going to cost.
So then on the way home my Dad almost blew a tire on the trailer, and my brother shredded another belt. So he replaced a pulley too I think. So they were delayed outside of Chicago on the way back.
Over all a lot of fun was had, but a lot of stuff was broken too. My dad blew a head gasket on the quadzilla.
So other than a f@%kin bent frame(and box) and some minor broken pieces it was a good weekend. But the bent frame is definitely not an "O well" thing for me, pretty disappointing, other than crashing or getting hurt, that was my worst fear, a bent frame.
My brother was having a blast racing several time because he put N20 on his race quad. It was hilarious. He launched in 2nd gear once and couldn't even hold the frontend down. And Jason modified his quad even more and was about dead even with my brothers on the bottle! They were flying.
On the way up my brother had a power steering pump go out in Chicago. Had to get it fixed in the ghetto, he said they were putting the bars back on the windows when they left. He had his 6 month old daughter, 2.5 year old son, and wife with him in his 2002 Dmax.
Then he shredded 2 of the 6 groooves of his belt the rest of the way up, didn't arrive until 3 AM. He got a new belt Sat morning before we went out on the sand.
My dad's temp gauge quit on the 47 Willys, got a new one of those sat morning too. The Willys was insane with the blown 502. Even in high range with the 44s you could just murder the tires through all 3 gears. You almost couldn't shift fast enough to keep the Rs down. A wild machine!
The rest of the day Saturday went great, was fun racing and cruising all over the dunes. The truck was running good! I raced it several times and cruised all over the dunes with it. Sat night we got off the dunes pretty late.
It was a lot rougher though and my truck wasn't riding as good as it did a month ago. I forgot my N2 tank so I couldn't check pressures. But I did raise my dual rate stops up (I had moved them down and didn't like it). I also removed some oil from the rear bumps. FOA told me to fill them up to a 1/4" from the top when they were compressed. It was way too much oil, they would hydraulic lock an inch from the end pretty much after the oil aerated. So I let the pressure out and compressed them with the valve open, oil came out the last inch, so I thought, better. I Just put 120 psi of air in them temporarily since I didn't have N2. It was a little definitely better but it was a lot rougher than a month ago out there too.
So Sunday afternoon I was driving by myself and I was approaching the whoops. I thought, well, I know the bumps are working, and my sliders are back, so lets nail them things, so I started hauling ass over the big whoops (~50 MPH) at the end. Big mistake. My rear suspension could not handle it. It started bouncing drastically. Don't know if the bumps weren't returning fast enough or what. But it started bouncing so bad I knew I was going to break something. I tried to slow down, but that made it worse, so I kept going fast and it wasn't good but it was better than slowing down, but then the whoops got to their largest part and it starting bouncing so high that I was almost vertical nose down. Talk about scary. I had to floor it to pull the front end forward because I know for sure if I didn't I would have caught the bumper and flipped. It was very bad. Scared the crap out of me, I was shaken up pretty bad. If I didn't have EFI and wasn't in 4WD so I could floor it and pull out, I would have been upside down who knows how many times. The rear was bouncing so fast I would floor it as the rear was going up and I could feel the front end pulling me but the rearend was still rising, luckily the front would pull out and the rear would start falling and I would let off, and then it would do it again.
So the whoops ended, I got it to a stop, and got out to find out I bend my frame in the back pretty bad, box wasn't lined up at all any more. New HD dual rubber exhaust hanger broke, when that broke the exhaust came down and busted my rear braided brake line. Dented the tailpipe to hell too. I think my axles are fine but it makes me wonder.
There was an older lady that pulled up in a jeep a minute later, she said, "that was awesome, I've never seen anything like that before". (I thought, no, it wasn't awesome, I bent my frame and broke some stuff and almost flipped it.) But I just said to her, "well, I had to floor it so I didn't flip over.". And she said, "I wondered about that, I definitely thought you were flipping over but you never did".
My brother in law saw the whole thing go down from his quad (Jason is the guy Silverdune met in the pit area). He said, "I thought you were going over". My Dad asked him, so how high was the rear of his truck? And he said, "well, how long is the truck, because he was almost vertical". Everything under my seat was out in the floor, my hitch mount hit me in the ankle. And my rear bed mat was folded over AND upside down in the front of the bed. I knew I was going to break something if I kept this speed up but I didn't really have a choice, because it was either break something or flip it and break everything. I remember thinking, "I am either screwed or screwed at this point".
So I put a new exhaust hanger on, and the next day I found a place that sells braided brake lines and pieced one of those together and bled the brakes Monday morning.
The frame didn't bend where I notched it for the shocks, and it didn't bow down in the middle either. The braces I made for the frame/shocks are still in position fine. Surprisingly it bent in front of and behind my crossmember that supports the bump stops. The bumpstops are mounted out, not notched. Basically when the rear of the truck came slamming down the bed weight was forcing the frame down over the bump stops on both sides, so it bent the frame down on both sides, in front and back of the axle, so in 4 places pretty much. The rear bumper is now too low, and rear shackle hangers are pointing forward and the shackle angle is all messed up, and the box floor is bowed up in the middle forcing the sides to point up and the rear of the bed to sag. It looks pretty stupid that way.
Drove it home but the frame is bent up. It can be straightened because it's not kinked. I have too much work into that frame to not have it straightened, but I wonder how much that is going to cost.
So then on the way home my Dad almost blew a tire on the trailer, and my brother shredded another belt. So he replaced a pulley too I think. So they were delayed outside of Chicago on the way back.
Over all a lot of fun was had, but a lot of stuff was broken too. My dad blew a head gasket on the quadzilla.
So other than a f@%kin bent frame(and box) and some minor broken pieces it was a good weekend. But the bent frame is definitely not an "O well" thing for me, pretty disappointing, other than crashing or getting hurt, that was my worst fear, a bent frame.
My brother was having a blast racing several time because he put N20 on his race quad. It was hilarious. He launched in 2nd gear once and couldn't even hold the frontend down. And Jason modified his quad even more and was about dead even with my brothers on the bottle! They were flying.
Dear lord! that sucks man! im glad you didnt flip or hurt yourself though. I go slow on those whoops even on the quad. Your nuts! do you have pics of the damage?
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Thanks, yeah me too. My Dad said, "as long as we are all walking away and there is only mechanical damage we are doing fine." I have some pics but haven't taken the time to load em to the computer yet. I wil sometime this week.
So far the damage is:
1 braided brake line
1 fubar tailpipe
1 exhaust mount
bent frame in at least 4 places
box floor is bent with the frame
box lateral beams are bent to conform to the straight sides and warped middle.
hopefully the box and frame can be straightened back out. I already fixed the hanger and brakeline. But since the frame is bent so much the rear shackle hangers are bent forward and rubbing on the tailpipes now. There was probably an inch of room there. And the shackle angle is REALLY steep now too, so the truck sags back there.
SilverduneJimmy
1/2 ton status
HOLEEEEEE CRAP!!!!! Didnt know it was that bad. I saw where the bed was out of whack, but man.......... Kudo's for bringing it out and not getting hurt. I would have hit the brakes and flipped it for sure.
Thanks, but you probably would of been smarter and went slow over the whoops in the first place. Once you are commited, there is no going back in the middle I guess.
Dam Heath, that must have been an E ticket ride right there. I've seen a few trucks out there do that, but haven't seen one do and endo yet.
Man time to strip it down and cage it front to back!
Man time to strip it down and cage it front to back!
I watched a Jeep do an endo over one of the big hills once two years ago.
This was not a fun ride, the rearend sure bounced up so high it scared the crap out of me, and it was getting worse. Everytime the rear came up that high I would mash the throttle, stare at all the sand beneath me, and just think, "bumper, please don't catch, please don't catch...." And then it would do it again, I had to floor it probably 3 times in a row. I think the front suspension was catching and absorbing every bump, but the rear suspension was bouncing so high it would skip one or two and then come down at the wrong time while the bump was going up again.
Right now I just want to get it straightened back out. I'll worry about bracing it or whatever this winter.
Holy chit, That was a crazy ordeal right there. Glad your not hurt! I am just trying to picture the whoops, Thats scarry stuff if your going that fast and not in a pre-runner.
or video!
Just kidding. Its hard to look at all the damage I suppose.
or video! Just kidding. Its hard to look at all the damage I suppose.
Heath, having run an EZ-Liner for a couple yrs, I would plan on 8 hrs at least in labor for frame work... could be a bit less, but it's all in the setup/anchoring/measurements and rechecking/measuring after pulls.. the pulls take minutes...
Holy chit, That was a crazy ordeal right there. Glad your not hurt! I am just trying to picture the whoops, Thats scarry stuff if your going that fast and not in a pre-runner.
Just kidding. Its hard to look at all the damage I suppose.
No video of it, I was driving and everyone else was on ATVs or a side by side at the time. I should have some picture of the damage up later this week. And most of the damage is hidden under the bed, except for the fact that the bed is pointing up in the front and doesn't align with the cab anymore.
One thing I am wondering, do you know if I need to take the bed off for them to bend the frame back up in the back? I hope not because the bed is conformed to the frame and I am afraid if they aren't bent back together that I won't be able to get the bed back on.
I also hope the fact that my lift doesn't make it impossible for them to get it on the frame table and anchored solid. I guess I'll find out later this week when I get a couple quotes.
dune jump
1/2 ton status
So... after you get your quotes can I try to convince you to back half the truck and link it? I know you love your bed, but you can paint the glass bedsides to match, and give those whoops a re-match. 
lol. thats what i was gonna say.. p**** the frame, chop it and link that sucka!!!So... after you get your quotes can I try to convince you to back half the truck and link it? I know you love your bed, but you can paint the glass bedsides to match, and give those whoops a re-match.
So... after you get your quotes can I try to convince you to back half the truck and link it? I know you love your bed, but you can paint the glass bedsides to match, and give those whoops a re-match.
You can try to convice me as much as you want, but it might not work.
As for the whoops, after that ordeal I don't know if I ever want a rematch. One time over the whoops at speed, one bent frame and a near flipped truck. I am 0/1 there. Right now the whoops have served me better at lower speeds, saving the speed for other places like the hills and sand drags.
I have more fun climbing hills and racing it anyway. I love going up to the bottom of the hill or idling part of the way up and then tromping the throttle and accelerating up it.
lol. thats what i was gonna say.. p**** the frame, chop it and link that sucka!!!
Not right now, but links are not out of the question this winter. If the frame straigtening is reasonable then I would like to start out with a straight frame anyway, even if I do link it later.
The remainder of the summer/fall I was hoping to enjoy the truck the way it is.(without the bent frame of course) I want to build a t-brake 4L80E for my Regal and upgrade the fuel system so I can use the bottle again.
Heath when I am off my phone and back on a computer I will do my best to convince you to do your own frame
I have some very good arguments for it
I have some very good arguments for it
so back on a computer. Come on Heath man you know Chevy frames are the worst part of the truck. I am not talking a full tube frame but reworking it out of rec tube possibly, you know thats not really too hard to do man.
Very simple as a matter of fact. The strength advantage is huge over a stock frame, even just back halving it, the ability to change the frame to more suit the future rear suspension mods would make it worlds easier to link the rear when that time comes.
making mounts for the bed is very simple. I am not sure about the straightening out of the bed though.
What are you planning to strengthen the frame back there now, it is pretty old now and usage is only going to get harder.
Once you box it get it straightened add some x members then link it and build your brackets to attach to the stock frame, wouldn't just cutting off behind the cab x member be the overall better solution?
Don't give me that crap that you don't have a frame table and all that jazz you need a semilevel floor and ability to count, I know you can count (well at least the small numbers)
The rear frame is very much a compromise and you now have the oppurtunity to make that compromise a much better one!
GET TO IT!
BTW sounds like that was a wild ride man wish I could have seen it! You are definately going to have to make it out here to ST. Anthony one of these years
Very simple as a matter of fact. The strength advantage is huge over a stock frame, even just back halving it, the ability to change the frame to more suit the future rear suspension mods would make it worlds easier to link the rear when that time comes.
making mounts for the bed is very simple. I am not sure about the straightening out of the bed though.
What are you planning to strengthen the frame back there now, it is pretty old now and usage is only going to get harder.
Once you box it get it straightened add some x members then link it and build your brackets to attach to the stock frame, wouldn't just cutting off behind the cab x member be the overall better solution?
Don't give me that crap that you don't have a frame table and all that jazz you need a semilevel floor and ability to count, I know you can count (well at least the small numbers
) The rear frame is very much a compromise and you now have the oppurtunity to make that compromise a much better one!
GET TO IT!
BTW sounds like that was a wild ride man wish I could have seen it! You are definately going to have to make it out here to ST. Anthony one of these years
Well, the more time that goes by since this happened the more I consider linking the back this winter, just not sure yet. And the front of my frame was in a crash before I ever got the truck, so it's not like the truck was an all original, pristine frame or anything, the front left frame horn I had to bend back with a bottle jack and a sledgehammer after I bought the truck so I could get that body mount in for the core support.
To be honest, I think the only way I am going to get the strength I need for the truck frame is to put a cage in it. And after that ordeal I should probably have a cage anyway for safety. You can only get so much strength with the height limitations of a ladder frame without creating a "bridge" up top to support it all. That bridge is best utilized as a cage.
I really like having a tailgate and bed though. I used that tailgate as a "bench" when I am wheeling all the time.
We'll see, for now I would still like to get the frame/bed straightened assuming it doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
To be honest, I think the only way I am going to get the strength I need for the truck frame is to put a cage in it. And after that ordeal I should probably have a cage anyway for safety. You can only get so much strength with the height limitations of a ladder frame without creating a "bridge" up top to support it all. That bridge is best utilized as a cage.
I really like having a tailgate and bed though. I used that tailgate as a "bench" when I am wheeling all the time.
We'll see, for now I would still like to get the frame/bed straightened assuming it doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
I can't bend tube and can barely even get my stick welder running but you're telling me YOU can't make some sort of cage assembly that would either include mounting points for your tailgate or allow the bedsides to still be functional?
