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87 Dodge Raider - Beadlocks & Grabbers

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runamok151 said:
I'd rather see it get a diesel out of a liberty.
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I didn't know there was a diesel option for a Jeep Liberty. That is what you are talking about right?

83ChevyK5Blazer said:
A 4.3 v6 makes them move, the power to weight with an ls would be fun!
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Well it's definitely getting one of the two. If the 5.3 will physically fit in there then I will take the one out of the K5 and either get an already moderately built one to replace it or join the cool kids club and go 6.0L on the Blazer
 
What's the reliability and parts availability of the diesel? What drivetrain options are available for them?


I think I would rather have the simplicity of the LS swap or even the 4.3 over some fancy non-supported diesel swap.
 
Here's C&D's write up on them.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/jeep-liberty-sport-4x4-diesel-short-take-road-test

It's a good little diesel, Detroit Diesels Italian division, 180 hp and 295 lb-ft. Only complaints C&D had was it sounded like a diesel. Well Duh! Only problem w/ the Libertys is the shitty rear axle. These drivetrains are still going strong over seas. Yank the emissions and you're getting 30 mpg and great wheeling torque. You'd have to ask someone w/ mechanical experience about the rest of the drivetrain compatibility.
 
That is definitely interesting but I think a 330HP 5.3 would be too much fun and way more bang for the buck
 
The Jeep diesels were made my VM Motori if IIRC.... Good source for parts is www.idparts.com . I have had to get a few things off of there and they're great to deal with.
 
If the liberty diesel is as tunable as the diesels in the one ton trucks, look out. Throw a tuner on a and get up to 225 hp and 450 ft-lbs and your talking BBC fun in that little truck, and your still getting 30 mpg. A 5.3 ain't gonna do that.
 
Im pretty sure the diesel in a liberty is an OM variant mercedes diesel is it not?

They make great diesels, the problem is you get no simplicity benefit of the mechanical pump when you go with a newer one like that. Thats the reason I was going with the OM617 before in my trooper. Light weight, screamer when it comes to RPMs, torque like a diesel but HP curve like a gasser too.
 
Stock, my 2001 LM7 5.3L makes 285 hp and 325 lb·ft. That is before cold air intake, long tube headers, and tune. With all of that I have under $1,000 into the engine including initial purchase price. Hard to beat that value. I already have that engine on hand but have not test fit it to see how hard it will be. The liberty diesel could definitely be an option to weigh against a 4.3 if the 5.3 won't go but I do question the rest of the drivetrain behind it and I imagine being a diesel they are probably kind of expensive to pick up used, no?

I know for certain I could take a late 90s S10 drivetrain and swap that in complete no problem. 4.3, nv3500, np231/241 and pay $1,000 for the complete combo
 
From the C&D article I posted.

Supplied by DDC Cento (previously VM Motori), a subsidiary of Detroit Diesel in Cento, Italy (and 49 percent owned by DaimlerChrysler), the Liberty's turbo-diesel is consistent with most of the common-rail parameters. The iron-block, aluminum-head DOHC 16-valve four has a compression ratio of 17.5:1, with fuel-rail pressure pegged at 1600 bar-about 23,000 psi. With its Garrett turbocharger blowing at max boost-26.5 psi-the engine develops 160 horsepower at 3800 rpm and 295 pound-feet of torque at 1800 rpm.

IDK what else used this engine, how common it is or what trans will bolt up to it. Just remember, the diesel makes all it's torque at low and mid rpm where our vehicles live. You're never getting close to using the power of that 5.3 unless your always in the upper rpm ranges. You got a mud truck or sand rail, great. But for choogling down a trail, I'll take the dizzy. Plus diesels don't mind being dunked as much as a gas engine, just keep the air intake and exhaust high. And your truck will probably rust apart before you need to rebuild it, unlike the gasser.
 
runamok151 said:
From the C&D article I posted.

Supplied by DDC Cento (previously VM Motori), a subsidiary of Detroit Diesel in Cento, Italy (and 49 percent owned by DaimlerChrysler), the Liberty's turbo-diesel is consistent with most of the common-rail parameters. The iron-block, aluminum-head DOHC 16-valve four has a compression ratio of 17.5:1, with fuel-rail pressure pegged at 1600 bar-about 23,000 psi. With its Garrett turbocharger blowing at max boost-26.5 psi-the engine develops 160 horsepower at 3800 rpm and 295 pound-feet of torque at 1800 rpm.

IDK what else used this engine, how common it is or what trans will bolt up to it. Just remember, the diesel makes all it's torque at low and mid rpm where our vehicles live. You're never getting close to using the power of that 5.3 unless your always in the upper rpm ranges. You got a mud truck or sand rail, great. But for choogling down a trail, I'll take the dizzy. Plus diesels don't mind being dunked as much as a gas engine, just keep the air intake and exhaust high. And your truck will probably rust apart before you need to rebuild it, unlike the gasser.
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Interesting... I know they were available here as said. Getting a trans behind one is cake when you've got a CNC at work :D
 
Update: Sold the roof basket and winch, combined I broke even on those. I am going to make my own basket later on when I am done with motor swap and I will just buy a new winch instead of storing the other one. Selling wheels and tires tomorrow. Still undecided about whether to keep the old axles or go to something else. Part of me would like a blank canvas to start with and part of me wants to keep it on stock axles. The stockers are geared 4.625, are probably comparable to yota axles in strength, and I had recently bought a bunch of brake stuff for them like drums, pads, hoses, etc before the motor blew. Don't know if I would be able to find a buyer for them at a decent price or if I would wind up having to give them away. So, for now this is how the Raider sits.

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82355 said:
Why not just swap a junkyard replacement engine in it?

Martin
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From what I've seen there aren't a ton of them around in good condition at this point and they aren't very good engines to start with. Not much power for the displacement, carb'd, and prone to overheating issues. In my mind, if I am pulling the motor then I am going to make it worth my while. Why not get 3x the HP, fuel injection, better parts availability, etc?
 
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